Chi Archie... Would you consider this a trap game?

[VegasDave]

Washington Nationals +120
San Francisco Giants -130

In one corner you have my favorite wunderkind in Jordan Zimmermann who hasn't been all that "wunder"ful in his last two starts. Granted, if you throw out the first inning of the last game, he was dazzling... but the public doesn't "throw out" a 6 run inning. He only has four starts in the bigs, and his last two were (on paper at least) lousy.

Then you have Matt Cain who everyone loved last year and thought got screwed so bad by no run support. Everyone had him circled as a value pitcher this year. He's done nothing to disappoint, producing quality starts in 5 of his 6 starts, never failing to go 6 and giving up more than 2 ER only once.

Plus, the Nats of course are in dead last and people love fading them anyway (ignoring their solid offense)

Why so inexpensive to get Cain here?

[mathdotcom]

Only trap you are in is your body

[Brock Landers]

i just gave out San Fran as a play today, and i don't give out losers Dave, so take that and do what you will with it.

[Shortstop]

Vegas Dave asking Chi Archie for advice. How sweet.

[VegasDave]

i just gave out San Fran as a play today, and i don't give out losers Dave, so take that and do what you will with it.

You sure do love your favorites Brock.

Good luck.

[Brock Landers]

You sure do love your favorites Brock.

Good luck.

Did you see my pick on Atlanta +189 last night?

[MonkeyF0cker]

I would take a look at the under, Dave. There are some 8.5's out there that show a little value from my end.

[pavyracer]

Matt Cain had a complete game with only 4 hits and no runs scored against last time he faced the Nats. I don't think the Nats will outhit and outscore the Giants on the road. Giants bats are on fire and against the worst pitching in the NL they will prevail.

[onthewhat]

You sure do love your favorites Brock.

Good luck.

2 of Brock's 4 plays yesterday were + money

He is 15-8 in contest, and had a 21-4 run before that

Do research nitwit, everyone can't be down money like you

Brock don't listen to the jealous fukks who hate that you get attention

[Brock Landers]

2 of Brock's 4 plays yesterday were + money

He is 15-8 in contest, and had a 21-4 run before that

Do research nitwit, everyone can't be down money like you

Brock don't listen to the jealous fukks who hate that you get attention

Onthewhat, i owe you a beer at Nick's English Hut pal. Will look to meet up with you in Chicago, i am going to work with Chi_Archie on a plan for Sunday May 31st, a Cubs game that night vs the LA Dodgers.

[pavyracer]

Brock Landers was 4-12 when I started tracking his picks. He is 32-24 now which means he is hitting 28-12 in his last 40 plays. Pretty impressive.

[MonkeyF0cker]

You are such a homer, OTW. Dave wasn't being condescending at all.

[Shortstop]

Vegas Dave, you're getting paid the big $$$ from SBR

Your picks suck. Now you're asking for help from degenerate posters?

WOW! This place is on the up.

[VegasDave]

2 of Brock's 4 plays yesterday were + money

He is 15-8 in contest, and had a 21-4 run before that

Do research nitwit, everyone can't be down money like you

Brock don't listen to the jealous fukks who hate that you get attention

I'm not "hating" on anyone. In his "official play" threads (The JJ, Nicky, everyone who likes winners thread) :

Today: 4 favorites, 0 dogs
5/9: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/8: 2 favorites, 2 dogs
5/7: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/6: 2 favorites, 0 dogs
5/5: 2 favorites, 0 dogs

That's 16 favorites to 4 dogs. Thats 80% favorites.

Now I could care less, a winner is a winner. I prefer favorites too. I just said "you sure do like your favorites", which from the threads I check every day appears to be the case.

Why don't YOU do some research you nitwit. And stop trying to stir the pot, your shit is tired.

[Brock Landers]

I'm not "hating" on anyone. In his "official play" threads (The JJ, Nicky, everyone who likes winners thread) :

Today: 4 favorites, 0 dogs
5/9: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/8: 2 favorites, 2 dogs
5/7: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/6: 2 favorites, 0 dogs
5/5: 2 favorites, 0 dogs

That's 16 favorites to 4 dogs. Thats 80% favorites.

Now I could care less, a winner is a winner. I prefer favorites too. I just said "you sure do like your favorites", which from the threads I check every day appears to be the case.

Why don't YOU do some research you nitwit. And stop trying to stir the pot, your shit is tired.

very accurate Dave, i guess thats the way it breaks down. Good point, and i can't argue with the facts/numbers.

[VegasDave]

Vegas Dave, you're getting paid the big $$$ from SBR

Your picks suck. Now you're asking for help from degenerate posters?

WOW! This place is on the up.

GOD FORBID I try and talk baseball on a sports gambling forum, huh?

Archie pointed out that Greinke trap game a few days ago, so I was just bringing this one up for discussion, too.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/181188-royals-greinke-trap.html

Of course with OTW trying to stir shit up, it won't be long before Nicky arrives. Can't talk sports on this forum anymore.

To the guys that actually posted something relevant to tonight's game: Thank you.

[AMBlai01]

Can I make a request....can we ban the statement "trap" and "trap line" on this site.....there is nothing more that enrages me than hearing that...

[onthewhat]

Vegas Dave, you're getting paid the big $$$ from SBR

Your picks suck. Now you're asking for help from degenerate posters?

WOW! This place is on the up.

[onthewhat]

I'm not "hating" on anyone. In his "official play" threads (The JJ, Nicky, everyone who likes winners thread) :

Today: 4 favorites, 0 dogs
5/9: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/8: 2 favorites, 2 dogs
5/7: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/6: 2 favorites, 0 dogs
5/5: 2 favorites, 0 dogs

That's 16 favorites to 4 dogs. Thats 80% favorites.

Now I could care less, a winner is a winner. I prefer favorites too. I just said "you sure do like your favorites", which from the threads I check every day appears to be the case.

Why don't YOU do some research you nitwit. And stop trying to stir the pot, your shit is tired.

Brock Landers 28-12 according to Pavy, 15-8 in contest..

Vegas dave 32-36

I want results...I'm following Brock here

[VegasDave]

very accurate Dave, i guess thats the way it breaks down. Good point, and i can't argue with the facts/numbers.

Brock, I took a ton of shit during college football season for betting lots of favorites. I even started a thread about it;

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/109892-why-betting-underdogs-more-accepted-than-favorites.html

If you pick winners, you pick winners. I could care less if they are dogs or favorites. I wish you nothing but the best and meant no disrespect at all; OTW just likes following me around and trying to pit me in battles with other posters for some reason.

Good luck today

[MonkeyF0cker]

I'm not "hating" on anyone. In his "official play" threads (The JJ, Nicky, everyone who likes winners thread) :

Today: 4 favorites, 0 dogs
5/9: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/8: 2 favorites, 2 dogs
5/7: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/6: 2 favorites, 0 dogs
5/5: 2 favorites, 0 dogs

That's 16 favorites to 4 dogs. Thats 80% favorites.

Now I could care less, a winner is a winner. I prefer favorites too. I just said "you sure do like your favorites", which from the threads I check every day appears to be the case.

Why don't YOU do some research you nitwit. And stop trying to stir the pot, your shit is tired.

And its also one of the reasons he'll probably end up broke again.

[onthewhat]

Can I make a request....can we ban the statement "trap" and "trap line" on this site.....there is nothing more that enrages me than hearing that...

correct

pros betting 10 dimes a game influence the line, not $10 recreational bettors

[MonkeyF0cker]

Brock Landers 40-28 according to Pavy, 15-8 in contest..

Vegas dave 32-36

I want results...I'm following Brock here

Great sample size, goon.

[smitch124]

Washington should do much better if their left fielder can at least get a glove on routine flies to the outfield....

[AMBlai01]

^ Smitch is still enamored by that blunder in Left Field last night....

[VegasDave]

Sorry to enrage you AMB... while I think the term is grossly overused, I think there is merit in the philosophy. AT least I put it in the title so you could just skip the thread all together

[MonkeyF0cker]

correct

pros betting 10 dimes a game influence the line, not $10 recreational bettors

Huh? Traps only exist for rec. bettors.

[Brock Landers]

Dave, give me a shoutout in your video today. I mentioned you yesterday in mine, did you catch it?

[onthewhat]

Huh? Traps only exist for rec. bettors.

thats what i meant...there are no traps because if a line was off to "trap", the pros betting 10k a game would hammer it.

[VegasDave]

thats what i meant...there are no traps because if a line was off to "trap", the pros betting 10k a game would hammer it.

Or maybe, just maybe, the line looks "super easy" to the public/recreational bettor because it was actually set to cater to the pros who actually know that the true line shouldn't be anywhere close to what the public thought it would be.

And maybe that's why 80-90% of the public is on the "easy" side, but the line doesn't move or there is even reverse line movement because the pros are still on the other side.

Or maybe you know everything and there is nothing you could have ever overlooked.

[onthewhat]

right dave. the books don't care what the $10 bettors like yourself are playing, they have to set an accurate line so the guys betting the max don't hammer one side

[VegasDave]

right dave. the books don't care what the $10 bettors like yourself are playing, they have to set an accurate line so the guys betting the max don't hammer one side

EXACTLY! We are on the same page!

I am referring to a game set to trap the public, not the sharps.

If Average Joe thinks the line on NYJ vs. SEA should be NYJ -8.5, and it ends up at -4.5, he gets VERY excited and bets the Jets, just like all the other Average Joes.

Of course, the book was catering that line to pros, who knew the Jets couldn't travel to the west coast this season, already having lost to SD and OAK.

Meanwhile, us small-timers can appreciate that the line was set that way for a reason, and bet the side that looks less obvious to us, since it is obviously set there for a reason.

Make sense?

[VegasDave]

And by the way, how many times are you going to elude to me being "small time"? I've never refuted as much. You are the one that seems to be in denial about it.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Can he even afford $10/game anymore, Dave? I get so tired of the childish BS on here lately. It's really a shame that all of these fukkin kids are ruining this place.

[Bread]

I'm not "hating" on anyone. In his "official play" threads (The JJ, Nicky, everyone who likes winners thread) :

Today: 4 favorites, 0 dogs
5/9: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/8: 2 favorites, 2 dogs
5/7: 3 favorites, 1 dog
5/6: 2 favorites, 0 dogs
5/5: 2 favorites, 0 dogs

That's 16 favorites to 4 dogs. Thats 80% favorites.

Now I could care less, a winner is a winner. I prefer favorites too. I just said "you sure do like your favorites", which from the threads I check every day appears to be the case.

Why don't YOU do some research you nitwit. And stop trying to stir the pot, your shit is tired.

LOL!!!!!! Herman got owned by VD!