Democratic Convention Live Thread

[chico2663]

cnn is reporting that corey was the one that gave the story to the reporter that manaford sp. was getting money from ukraine. Guess that clause didn't include paul just donald

[MoneyLineDawg]

Also Carter Page, Trump's top Foreign Policy Advisor, has deep political and business ties to Russia, Putin and their Govt. He has been a outspoken supporter of Putin and as recently as July, was in Russia giving a speech and conducting business.

Manafort as recently as Sunday quoted false information about an attack in Turkey. That false information was propagated by Russian Counter-Intelligence.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...advisor-russia

Even if these Russian ties are true.....What would you prefer:

Russia/Putin ties or Soros/Globalism ties?

[Roadtrip635]

[Russian Rocket]

America's brainwashing 101

Planting stories against Russia and Putin, trying to put the fear of God in America again against Russia. Then comes the arms buildup and defense spending, that fattens the pockets of the militarists and corporate elites who benefit by this line of propaganda.

[brainfreeze]

Deflect much?

It's can either get bad (trump) or worse (Clinton) ... Clinton it could go very bad, very fast ... Go try physically taking Americans guns and ushering in islamic agendas ... One day could be peaceful butterflies crossing your garden the next...those butterflies could be bullets...

im counting on the unknown factor of trump...he doesn't owe ANYone jack not russia, not the esablishment, no one except the people that made him what he has.. and if he catered to Iran as Russia is doing ..it could also get pretty serious I'm sure, people are tired of the crap, that's why they want him in the first place...

So he better do as a good president should, or suffer whatever consequence the people display...

[The Kraken]

Brain, give it up guy, Trump has no chance

I see right now you're going through the 5 stages of grief

Currently you are in denial

[khicks26]

Man this whole election is turning into a bad soap opera. We the American people look like idiots for putting these two clown in a spot to lead the country. Total banana republic shit, this place is going to hell.

[brainfreeze]

Brain, give it up guy, Trump has no chance

I see right now you're going through the 5 stages of grief

Currently you are in denial

Who do you think the tea party, constitutionalist, and hard conservatives will vote for? Who do you think anti establishment, Bernie supporters, will vote for if they can't stand Hillary? Who do you think the educated women, and black folks will vote for?

literally all she has is foreigners, illegal immigrants, black folks with little to no education, and whites with " white guilt " syndrome and women " that must see a woman president " ...but the main thing she has is power, that has been thrusted upon her by the powers at be...

she could literally get away with anything at this point and people would still say how great she is... Pretty amazing, I want a real person, a George Washington type to take hold and transform the place.. I just don't see that happening, Ron Paul was close ..but something rubs me wrong about him and his son...I don't know what it is, maybe how well he gets along with establishment types ..idk,

but yeah.. Trump is it, I don't know why you so passionately want this train reck of a person in... What is her qualities krak, what do you see that we aren't ..?

[Andy117]

It's can either get bad (trump) or worse (Clinton) ... Clinton it could go very bad, very fast ... Go try physically taking Americans guns and ushering in islamic agendas ... One day could be peaceful butterflies crossing your garden the next...those butterflies could be bullets...
.

No one is coming for your guns. We did nothing about guns after the mass murder of 20 children, what makes you think Clinton is going to be able to get your guns?

[d2bets]

Who do you think the tea party, constitutionalist, and hard conservatives will vote for? Who do you think anti establishment, Bernie supporters, will vote for if they can't stand Hillary? Who do you think the educated women, and black folks will vote for?

literally all she has is foreigners, illegal immigrants, black folks with little to no education, and whites with " white guilt " syndrome and women " that must see a woman president " ...but the main thing she has is power, that has been thrusted upon her by the powers at be...

she could literally get away with anything at this point and people would still say how great she is... Pretty amazing, I want a real person, a George Washington type to take hold and transform the place.. I just don't see that happening, Ron Paul was close ..but something rubs me wrong about him and his son...I don't know what it is, maybe how well he gets along with establishment types ..idk,

but yeah.. Trump is it, I don't know why you so passionately want this train reck of a person in... What is her qualities krak, what do you see that we aren't ..?

A whole lot of them won't vote for Trump. He is not a constitutional conservative. Not at all. The Constitution is a nuisance for Trump. Some will. But Johnson will get some. And many will stay home.

Bernie supporters are not going Trump. 20% will defect but most of those will vote third party.

Trump is losing college educated whites by a huge margin. This is a group that usually votes Republican.

Trump is bleeding typical Republican voters and not appealing to a large swath of independents. So what is his path? Not enough poorly educated angry white males.

[brainfreeze]

No one is coming for your guns. We did nothing about guns after the mass murder of 20 children, what makes you think Clinton is going to be able to get your guns?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/07/24/425871012/obama-says-the-his-biggest-frustration-is-inability-to-pass-gun-laws

[chico2663]

[Triple_D_Bet]

Who do you think the tea party, constitutionalist, and hard conservatives will vote for? Who do you think anti establishment, Bernie supporters, will vote for if they can't stand Hillary? Who do you think the educated women, and black folks will vote for?

literally all she has is foreigners, illegal immigrants, black folks with little to no education, and whites with " white guilt " syndrome and women " that must see a woman president " ...but the main thing she has is power, that has been thrusted upon her by the powers at be...

she could literally get away with anything at this point and people would still say how great she is... Pretty amazing, I want a real person, a George Washington type to take hold and transform the place.. I just don't see that happening, Ron Paul was close ..but something rubs me wrong about him and his son...I don't know what it is, maybe how well he gets along with establishment types ..idk,

but yeah.. Trump is it, I don't know why you so passionately want this train reck of a person in... What is her qualities krak, what do you see that we aren't ..?

If you're looking for someone who, like Washington, a guy with a strong track record of being straightforward in his dealings, who thought we should avoid entangling alliances and advised respecting the Constitution....well, that guy's actually running in 2016, and his name's not Trump. And if you don't vote for the Washingtons when they run, you're gonna be stuck with the Clintons and Trumps for a long time

[Triple_D_Bet]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-pass-gun-laws

So....Obama says he's disappointed he can't pass anti-gun legislation, and that means Clinton will be able to get it passed and/or just come take them? Doesn't make a lot of sense freezer....I'm a strong 2nd amendment supporter and view most of the current restrictions as unconstitutional, but the gun-grabbing fear-mongering is pretty far from reality.

[brainfreeze]

A whole lot of them won't vote for Trump. He is not a constitutional conservative. Not at all. The Constitution is a nuisance for Trump. Some will. But Johnson will get some. And many will stay home.

Bernie supporters are not going Trump. 20% will defect but most of those will vote third party.

Trump is losing college educated whites by a huge margin. This is a group that usually votes Republican.

Trump is bleeding typical Republican voters and not appealing to a large swath of independents. So what is his path? Not enough poorly educated angry white males.

Ha! Who do you think got him this far?!! And bernie supporters HATE hillary, they know she's everything Bernie isn't ... And they don't want anything to do with her, I've done my research ...and I'm listening to what the ground levels are saying...they don't want her, and will vote stein.. and it will be wayyyy more then 20% more like the majority..

why ho would you say educated whites are voting hillary... Show me these people, show me the interviews, I can show you air headed youngsters ready to vote in just about anything at a college campus or a beach...good thing these types won't even show up. are they going to do as the college and professors are leading them, shrugs...who knows, the ones paying attention to the world won't..

Then an there's the dems, they might vote her, but this elections is probably the most talked about thing that's hit the web in ages, people are more informed, and are learning ...they will be persuaded to pull the lever for trump.. People can love to be democratic all they want, but inside they know they can't vote for such a lying, corrupt ...politician.. Hard dems might not vote trump ...they just won't bring themselves to show up come vote day...and you know this..

All that's left are foreigners, illegals " dreamers ", and the folks stuck on government issued cheese.. Which don't make up much of the population...

[brainfreeze]

If you're looking for someone who, like Washington, a guy with a strong track record of being straightforward in his dealings, who thought we should avoid entangling alliances and advised respecting the Constitution....well, that guy's actually running in 2016, and his name's not Trump. And if you don't vote for the Washingtons when they run, you're gonna be stuck with the Clintons and Trumps for a long time

Johnson won't make it...doesn't matter, way to late... The majority only sees those two and those two are all that matters at this point..any other vote, you could just stay home...it will be in vain.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Interestingly enough, gas prices from Bush to Obama decreased by roughly the factor that innocent people killed by drones increased over that period. If we take the same correlation-means-causation approach, does that mean we should increase the killing of women and children to get oil prices lower?

[brainfreeze]

So....Obama says he's disappointed he can't pass anti-gun legislation, and that means Clinton will be able to get it passed and/or just come take them? Doesn't make a lot of sense freezer....I'm a strong 2nd amendment supporter and view most of the current restrictions as unconstitutional, but the gun-grabbing fear-mongering is pretty far from reality.

Look at the precise times he's tried... Even using the deaths of children in newtown, to further his agenda ...soulless prick doesn't care, just do what the man with the power and money says is all he knows.. Complete sell out, he's not even from here, I think he's Kenyan or something who knows... But has no allegiance to this country and this is obvious ..

they want the guns, they (establishment) doesn't want any resistance ... and will do what's necessary to try to implement the procedures to get them, this has already been shown true..

[Triple_D_Bet]

Johnson won't make it...doesn't matter, way to late... The majority only sees those two and those two are all that matters at this point..any other vote, you could just stay home...it will be in vain.

"I'm not voting for Johnson because nobody else will vote for him, therefore he can't win"

"Sure, that last life raft on the titanic sounds like a good idea in theory, but nobody's going over there, so I won't either...I'll just try to convince people which part of the sinking ship they should be on"

[Triple_D_Bet]

Look at the precise times he's tried... Even using the deaths of children in newtown, to further his agenda ...soulless prick doesn't care, just do what the man with the power and money says is all he knows.. Complete sell out, he's not even from here, I think he's Kenyan or something who knows... But has no allegiance to this country and this is obvious ..

they want the guns, they (establishment) doesn't want any resistance ... and will do what's necessary to try to implement the procedures to get them, this has already been shown true..

Obama's no doubt like most politicians: does the wrong thing thinking it's the right thing, with a bit of corruption thrown in that he no doubt deems necessary to get things done. He probably considers his allegiance to the country quite strong, despite doing things to harm it....the same can be said of Trump (or Clinton) supporters.

[brainfreeze]

"I'm not voting for Johnson because nobody else will vote for him, therefore he can't win"

"Sure, that last life raft on the titanic sounds like a good idea in theory, but nobody's going over there, so I won't either...I'll just try to convince people which part of the sinking ship they should be on"

? The last life raft analogy is off target... He won't make it and you know it, so why pump this " shoot for the middle " type of deal when the majority is going one way or the other?

[brainfreeze]

Obama's no doubt like most politicians: does the wrong thing thinking it's the right thing, with a bit of corruption thrown in that he no doubt deems necessary to get things done. He probably considers his allegiance to the country quite strong, despite doing things to harm it....the same can be said of Trump (or Clinton) supporters.

Some think he's the antichrist lol... Guys so double faced, he himself I don't think knows if he's going or coming... One day he's a Christian next day he's a muslim, one days he's blasting the bible scriptures next day find him and his family at a church... One day he says YES WE CAN , and change is coming! Then we got 8 years of this .. Action spoke louder then words

why I don't have a clue in the world why someone could ever bring themselves to vote hillary..who is EXACTLY like obama...but I think she would be a bonafide trader from the east...btw hillary met obama at her house in '08 in a " secret " meeting at her house before the election ... Wonder what that convo was about...

[Triple_D_Bet]

? The last life raft analogy is off target... He won't make it and you know it, so why pump this " shoot for the middle " type of deal when the majority is going one way or the other?

Not off at all; you vote for Clinton or Trump, you're only voting for more of the same. A big factor why "he won't win" is because people tell themselves he won't and don't vote for him...maybe not enough other people make the sane choice, but if everyone gives up and votes for their preferred evil, good never wins. It's not like it's even close either...Clinton and Trump are so much worse, there's no excuse to not do the right thing.

Some think he's the antichrist lol... Guys so double faced, he himself I don't think knows if he's going or coming... One day he's a Christian next day he's a muslim, one days he's blasting the bible scriptures next day find him and his family at a church... One day he says YES WE CAN , and change is coming! Then we got 8 years of this .. Action spoke louder then words

why I don't have a clue in the world why someone could ever bring themselves to vote hillary..who is EXACTLY like obama...but I think she would be a bonafide trader from the east...btw hillary met obama at her house in '08 in a " secret " meeting at her house before the election ... Wonder what that convo was about...

"Some" think a lot of things, and like most thoughts, they're rarely bothered by facts. Is it possible Obama is a secret Muslim who's just been pretending to be a Christian for decades? Sure, anythings possible....but given the overwhelming evidence against it and the complete absence of any evidence for it, you'd have to be a bit nuts to believe it. Most church-goers pick and choose their favorite parts of the bible and decide others aren't ridiculous; I suppose it's the only way to keep such an old book fresh, to constantly change which parts you consider are important and which parts are just "metaphors". As for change, I'm sure he wanted to make some, and he's certainly done that....just not much of it good

People vote for Clinton based on what they think will happen, instead of what facts predict will happen....same as Trump supporters.

[chico2663]

Interestingly enough, gas prices from Bush to Obama decreased by roughly the factor that innocent people killed by drones increased over that period. If we take the same correlation-means-causation approach, does that mean we should increase the killing of women and children to get oil prices lower?

one has nothing to do with the other. The shale producers went into business. The saudis tried to bury them. They were going very well until the iranians wouldn't play ball. Now saudi is so far behind on the money needed to pay for their social programs. Since interest was so low the oil and gas producers could borrow to stay in business. That is why with the price as stayed so low. I don't think oil will be back in 2017. I think the price in oil spike is that they are trying to cover the shorts. Could be wrong but just my opinion

[DwightShrute]

[JIBBBY]

America's brainwashing 101

Planting stories against Russia and Putin, trying to put the fear of God in America again against Russia. Then comes the arms buildup and defense spending, that fattens the pockets of the militarists and corporate elites who benefit by this line of propaganda.

That type of thinking only comes from the Democratic side since Hillary got burnt and deflected..

[Triple_D_Bet]

one has nothing to do with the other. The shale producers went into business. The saudis tried to bury them. They were going very well until the iranians wouldn't play ball. Now saudi is so far behind on the money needed to pay for their social programs. Since interest was so low the oil and gas producers could borrow to stay in business. That is why with the price as stayed so low. I don't think oil will be back in 2017. I think the price in oil spike is that they are trying to cover the shorts. Could be wrong but just my opinion

That sounds a lot more plausible than Presidents having connections to oil companies. Presidents often take the blame or credit for the economy, but it's not only not their responsibility, there's not much they can do about it (well, they can get their cabinets out of the way and let people and businesses thrive, but they're never willing to do that)

[brainfreeze]

Not off at all; you vote for Clinton or Trump, you're only voting for more of the same. A big factor why "he won't win" is because people tell themselves he won't and don't vote for him...maybe not enough other people make the sane choice, but if everyone gives up and votes for their preferred evil, good never wins. It's not like it's even close either...Clinton and Trump are so much worse, there's no excuse to not do the right thing.

No I'm not..." Voting for more of the same " Johnson has no shot..and I've got 3k points says he doesn't .. These are the choices hillary or trump...we've seen hillary in action, we know what she has to offer, and you speak of evil...SHES IT, trump.. Does he embody what I want, nay, but pence can help, I don't agree with everything he's for either but neither does trump... A lot of undecideds ...but please, show us this outright " evil " you speak of with trump....

. Some" think a lot of things, and like most thoughts, they're rarely bothered by facts. Is it possible Obama is a secret Muslim who's just been pretending to be a Christian for decades? Sure, anythings possible....but given the overwhelming evidence against it and the complete absence of any evidence for it, you'd have to be a bit nuts to believe it. Most church-goers pick and choose their favorite parts of the bible and decide others aren't ridiculous; I suppose it's the only way to keep such an old book fresh, to constantly change which parts you consider are important and which parts are just "metaphors". As for change, I'm sure he wanted to make some, and he's certainly done that....just not much of it good

he's double minded...& not Christian ...

. People vote for Clinton based on what they think will happen, instead of what facts predict will happen....same as Trump supporters.

The fact is ..she's a continuance of obama and everybody knows it, she's for esablishment and special interest, she's another puppet ... That's the difference, trumps not bought and his decisions won't be factored by foreign interest ...but the interest of the American people... I believe he's genuine, and will do his best, " to make America great again "

[Triple_D_Bet]

No I'm not..." Voting for more of the same " Johnson has no shot..and I've got 3k points says he doesn't .. These are the choices hillary or trump...we've seen hillary in action, we know what she has to offer, and you speak of evil...SHES IT, trump.. Does he embody what I want, nay, but pence can help, I don't agree with everything he's for either but neither does trump... A lot of undecideds ...but please, show us this outright " evil " you speak of with trump....



he's double minded...& not Christian ...

The fact is ..she's a continuance of obama and everybody knows it, she's for esablishment and special interest, she's another puppet ... That's the difference, trumps not bought and his decisions won't be factored by foreign interest ...but the interest of the American people... I believe he's genuine, and will do his best, " to make America great again "

Johnson is unlikely to win, I agree...but again, it's because people like you won't vote for him, for the paradoxical reason that he can't win because other people won't vote for him. If you voted for your preferred choice instead of trying to pick from the popular terrible ones, you might get a lot more George Washington in your candidates and less Washington DC

So Obama makes the obvious observation that we're not all Christian, that Christianity has so many factions quibbling over how to interpret the contradictory parts of the Bible, and that you can't pass laws just because you think the Bible says so? Sounds pretty sane to me, and your calling him not a Christian for saying so sounds a lot like a "no true Scotsman" to me. If you're not a fan of the evils he described from the Bible, that sounds like something you should take up with your religion.

Yes, Clinton has proven she'll be as terrible as Obama...and Trump has proven he not only has no plans to do anything differently, but that he can't even keep his fantasies consistent from one week to the next, flip-flopping and walking back his ideas when he doesn't just double down on the impossible ones. Maybe he will do his best, but the same can be said for Clinton doing her version of 'best"...and when the guy is this close to the election and still hasn't come up with a plan to make his fantasies real, his best clearly isn't good enough.

[JIBBBY]

Trump in his speech just today in more words or less said if you help an Arab Country or basically take it over like we did with Iraq then why not take the OIL because in the end ISIS just ends up with it to fund their continued terrorism again us...

Kind of a no brainer to me.. Makes sense right Chico???...

Instead we go 20 trill in debt with Obama.. Just buying time with that current HUGE National debt of ours..

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK The Outstanding Public Debt as of 16 Aug 2016 at 06:29:17 AM GMT is:

The estimated population of the United States is 323,559,906
so each citizen's share of this debt is $59,991.76.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.36 billion per day since September 30, 2012!

[Andy117]

Look at the precise times he's tried... Even using the deaths of children in newtown, to further his agenda ...soulless prick doesn't care, just do what the man with the power and money says is all he knows.. Complete sell out, he's not even from here, I think he's Kenyan or something who knows... But has no allegiance to this country and this is obvious ..
.

Gun control comes up after mass shootings and with as often as they occur it tends to come up a lot. Either way after the worst mass murder of children in our lifetime nothing really changed.

Are you a birther?

[brainfreeze]

Johnson is unlikely to win, I agree...but again, it's because people like you won't vote for him, for the paradoxical reason that he can't win because other people won't vote for him. If you voted for your preferred choice instead of trying to pick from the popular terrible ones, you might get a lot more George Washington in your candidates and less Washington DC

Elections to important ... Anyone who wants to " make a statement " should do so wisely...trump and there will be more constitutionalist types, I'm sure on the next ticket or this place is going to do just like your analogy called for...and will sink.

. So Obama makes the obvious observation that we're not all Christian, that Christianity has so many factions quibbling over how to interpret the contradictory parts of the Bible, and that you can't pass laws just because you think the Bible says so? Sounds pretty sane to me, and your calling him not a Christian for saying so sounds a lot like a "no true Scotsman" to me. If you're not a fan of the evils he described from the Bible, that sounds like something you should take up with your religion.

He made a bunch of broad statements only to show his understanding is weak and doesn't mind showing it to people who haven't dedicated themselves to Gods Word either... to try to twist and format suggestions on why abortions shouldn't be frowned upon...

. Yes, Clinton has proven she'll be as terrible as Obama...and Trump has proven he not only has no plans to do anything differently, but that he can't even keep his fantasies consistent from one week to the next, flip-flopping and walking back his ideas when he doesn't just double down on the impossible ones. Maybe he will do his best, but the same can be said for Clinton doing her version of 'best"...and when the guy is this close to the election and still hasn't come up with a plan to make his fantasies real, his best clearly isn't good enough.

What's in bold is all that needs to be understood ... Trump on the other hand has been calling out bad business, and is going to put pressure on business to either come back home or pay the price " it's not fantasy, it's logical... It's common sense " he talks about China manipulating the currency, he talks about the wall and bad immigration policy, he talks about radical muslims and how this can't be tolerated and will need serious vetting, he talks about repealing obamacare and all these terrible orders that have been signed in etc, and it makes sense... I don't see ANY fantasies, everything he talks about can ...and will happen,

im voting trump .. Join me tripper, let's make America nice

[Andy117]

No I'm not..." Voting for more of the same " Johnson has no shot..and I've got 3k points says he doesn't .. These are the choices hillary or trump...we've seen hillary in action, we know what she has to offer, and you speak of evil...SHES IT, trump.. Does he embody what I want, nay, but pence can help, I don't agree with everything he's for either but neither does trump... A lot of undecideds ...but please, show us this outright " evil " you speak of with trump....



he's double minded...& not Christian ...

Where does he mock God in that speech?

[JIBBBY]

Trump in his speech just today in more words or less said if you help an Arab Country or basically take it over like we did with Iraq then why not take the OIL because in the end ISIS just ends up with it to fund their continued terrorism again us...

Kind of a no brainer to me.. Makes sense right Chico???...

Instead we go 20 trill in debt with Obama.. Just buying time with that current HUGE National debt of ours..

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK The Outstanding Public Debt as of 16 Aug 2016 at 06:29:17 AM GMT is:

The estimated population of the United States is 323,559,906
so each citizen's share of this debt is $59,991.76.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.36 billion per day since September 30, 2012!

I CAN PAY MY SHARE OF THE $60,000.00 owed today per citizen can you? I don't like it though..

[brainfreeze]

Where does he mock God in that speech?

He mocked God by saying " Gods views are radical " and other peoples religions " matter to " and America is no longer a " Christian nation " so we must appease other religions and be pro abortion ...

using the Bible and God to further a anti life agenda