Scandal at WWTS

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  • violatedbettor
    SBR Rookie
    • 10-13-05
    • 4

    #1
    Scandal at WWTS
    I've been with WWTS for a few years and never had reason to doubt their integrity. So when I logged into my account recently and found that it had been shut down -- with everything in the account captured by WWTS -- I just assumed it was a computer error.

    It was not.

    The story that unfolded confirmed every horror story we've all heard about offshore betting. Quite simply, it goes like this:

    Bettors (like myself) are being told that deposits made as much as a year ago were invalid because WWTS was not able to receive compensation from local banks. Of course, money sent to WWTS was, indeed, debited by the bettors' local banks, so they are out the size of the deposit. In my case, the amount that remained in my account was less than the depost, so WWTS simply seized what was left.

    I realize that this sounds bizarre and out of character from a reputable betting shop. But this scandal is quite real and I am not alone.

    Let the bettor beware.
  • freebie
    SBR MVP
    • 08-10-05
    • 1174

    #2
    I always hated wwts. those asswipes love to be aggressive on email advertising. They would spam me all weeks long. When I try to to unsubscribe, they would spam even more. They were one of my first offshore book and I used to love playing with them. I stop playing with them now.
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    • AK
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 08-10-05
      • 814

      #3
      I will be contacting them about this matter. Expect an answer soon from them. I will not allow this to happen and if this happens again I will take them off my site and they will forfit all advertising money they spent.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        Never heard of this

        Sounds like bull shit
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        • picantel
          SBR MVP
          • 09-17-05
          • 4338

          #5
          Amazing how everyone with a complaint is a scammer eh JJ? Ever look in the mirror?
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          • jjgold
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 07-20-05
            • 388179

            #6
            All First Time Postes Are Scammers When They Call Out A Book
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            • pags11
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 08-18-05
              • 12264

              #7
              please keep us updated on this...
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              • AK
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 08-10-05
                • 814

                #8
                Katrina will be on tonight to respond about this. Please have this thread temporaly deleted until this mistake can be resolved out of the public.

                Thanks
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                • violatedbettor
                  SBR Rookie
                  • 10-13-05
                  • 4

                  #9
                  I suppose that if I weren't the one who got stuck, I'd have trouble believing it, too. A cashier's check returned without payment nearly a year later?

                  I'd always had a good experience with these people. And even though they clearly did the wrong thing, I thing that they are pretty upfront about it. I think you will find that they will confirm my account, although they probably have a different spin as to who is culpable.
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                  • Illusion
                    Restricted User
                    • 08-09-05
                    • 25166

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jjgold
                    All First Time Postes Are Scammers When They Call Out A Book
                    History usually says so, but only time will tell. Both sides of the story must be heard first.
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                    • THESCOUT
                      SBR Hustler
                      • 09-07-05
                      • 97

                      #11
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                      • Bill Dozer
                        www.twitter.com/BillDozer
                        • 07-12-05
                        • 10894

                        #12
                        Violated,

                        Are you saying that WWTS debited you for a deposit that they believe you were never charged for? And you believe that you were indeed debited at that time?

                        Email me at assistance@sportsbookreview.com so I can put a timeline together and if necesarry, inquire on your behalf. The first step would be to gather details.
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                        • fixxer
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-13-05
                          • 1877

                          #13
                          I am really interested in this matter, because I bet with them frequently....without any problems till now, but.......?
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                          • pags11
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-18-05
                            • 12264

                            #14
                            anyone form wwts been contacted to respond on the site?...
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                            • fixxer
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-13-05
                              • 1877

                              #15
                              Post #8 ..........
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                              • AK
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 08-10-05
                                • 814

                                #16
                                Originally posted by pags11
                                anyone form wwts been contacted to respond on the site?...
                                Yes they have been contacted

                                I notified Katrina about what you said to me in regards to the bad picture that’s being painted of WWTS on sbr.com. She told me to let you know that things like these happens ever so often and happy to say that our Marketing Team will be looking into it. As with all companies, you win some and you lose some.
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                                • violatedbettor
                                  SBR Rookie
                                  • 10-13-05
                                  • 4

                                  #17
                                  My final thoughts on WWTS scandal

                                  My original take on this matter, after having my money seized, was that the WWTS people were simply thieves.

                                  After all the e-mails have been exchanged, my view of them is considerably more charitable. Long after the fact, it appears that I can retrieve my money from my local bank. No, I wouldn't do business with WWTS again, but that's just me. It may well be that this could happen anywhere else. I only know what happened here. And what happened was that WWTS made some mistakes.

                                  1. They told me to make out the $500 cashier's check to the wrong company. As it turned out, WWTS's bank wouldn't honor any check made out to that particular company. I don't know why, but it doesn't really matter to me.

                                  2. When -- 10 months later -- they figured out that the cashier's check wouldn't be honored, they simply seized the money (less than $500) in my account. Remember, this was a cashier's check, so I had already paid the $500 to the issuing bank.

                                  3. The money they seized was long gone. Let's face it, those bowl games were murder. Eventually, I put more money in the account, which could be significant. By happy coincidence, WWTS captured my money when my balance was nearly its high for the year. A skeptic could say that this was a win-win for them. I could lose everything in the account -- as I had before -- or I could "win" and they would take the money from me.

                                  Do I really believe this scenario? No. But given how the matter was handled -- given the bizarre 10-month delay and the timing -- WWTS leaves itself open to this interpretation. That, I would suggest, is their biggest mistake.

                                  And there is one more thing: knowing that this happened, no offshore customer can ever truly believe this "his" money is really his until he can put his hands on it. And without that belief, this can never be considered a legitimate business.
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                                  • violatedbettor
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 10-13-05
                                    • 4

                                    #18
                                    Honorable Action from WWTS

                                    OK, this is really the final, final thought. The WWTS people have apologized and more than rectified the situation. We both agree that the mistake they made was to take a problem they had with a bank and transfer the problem to me.

                                    I certainly can't say that WWTS never makes mistakes, but I guess I can't say that about any book. What I can say is that based on my experience, they make amends. Thanks to all who provided an open ear and an open mind. (Maybe not all first-time posters are scammers; maybe they just never had anything to say before.) Given how delicate these matters can be, I came to respect the integrity of this site, too.
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