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  • obama our lord
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 12-24-08
    • 562

    #1
    Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
    The Washington Times delivers breaking news and commentary on the issues that affect the future of our nation.


    After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.

    Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.
    The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.



    This looks like completely unnecessary harassment of the pilots. The 12,000 Federal Flight Deck Officers, the pilots who have been approved to carry guns, are reported to have the best behavior of any federal law enforcement agency. There are no cases where any of them has improperly brandished or used a gun. There are just a few cases where officers have improperly used their IDs.
    Fewer than one percent of the officers have any administrative actions brought against them and, we are told, virtually all of those cases “are trumped up.”



    Take a case against one flight officer who had visited the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles within the last few weeks. While there, the pilot noticed that federal law enforcement officers can, with the approval of a superior, obtain a license plate that cannot be traced, a key safety feature for law enforcement personnel. So the pilot asked if, as a member of the federal program, he was eligible. The DMV staffer checked and said “no.” The next day administrative actions were brought against the pilot for “misrepresenting himself.” These are the kinds of cases that President Obama wants to investigate.



    Since Mr. Obama's election, pilots have told us that the approval process for letting pilots carry guns on planes slowed significantly. Last week the problem went from bad to worse. Federal Flight Deck Officers - the pilots who have been approved to carry guns - indicate that the approval process has stalled out.



    Pilots cannot openly speak about the changing policies for fear of retaliation from the Transportation Security Administration. Pilots who act in any way that causes a “loss of confidence” in the armed pilot program risk criminal prosecution as well as their removal from the program. Despite these threats, pilots in the Federal Flight Deck Officers program have raised real concerns in multiple interviews.
    Arming pilots after Sept. 11 was nothing new. Until the early 1960s, American commercial passenger pilots on any flight carrying U.S. mail were required to carry handguns. Indeed, U.S. pilots were still allowed to carry guns until as recently as 1987. There are no records that any of these pilots (either military or commercial) ever causing any significant problems.



    Screening of airplane passengers is hardly perfect. While armed marshals are helpful, the program covers less than 3 percent of the flights out of Washington D.C.'s three airports and even fewer across the country. Sky marshals are costly and quit more often than other law-enforcement officers.



    Armed pilots are a cost-effective backup layer of security. Terrorists can only enter the cockpit through one narrow entrance, and armed pilots have some time to prepare themselves as hijackers penetrate the strengthened cockpit doors. With pilots, we have people who are willing to take on the burden of protecting the planes for free. About 70 percent of the pilots at major American carriers have military backgrounds.



    Frankly, as a matter of pure politics, we cannot understand what the administration is thinking. Nearly 40 House Democrats are in districts were the NRA is more popular than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. We can't find any independent poll in which the public is demanding that pilots disarm. Why does this move make sense?
    Only anti-gun extremists and terrorist recruits are worried about armed pilots. So why is the Obama administration catering to this tiny lobby at the expense of public safety?
  • pimike
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 03-23-08
    • 37140

    #2



    He really scares me since I am an instructor in firearms.
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    • daggerkobe
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-25-08
      • 10744

      #3
      Imagine had Dumbya not played hide & go seek with his senior anti-terrorism expert for 8 months and warned the airliners.... a simple fortification of the doors would've prevented 9/11.

      "Bin Laden determined to strike within the US!"
      "al Qaeda planning to hijack planes!"
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      • obama our lord
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 12-24-08
        • 562

        #4
        Originally posted by daggerkobe
        a simple fortification of the doors would've prevented 9/11.

        Putting aside the notion of what executive authority Bush would have had to order private businesses to make capital improvements (even if he had the authority, everyone would've thought he was nuts if he had made such an edict), the terrorists would have simply started slitting throats until the pilots voluntarily opened the doors.
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        • daggerkobe
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 03-25-08
          • 10744

          #5
          Why would they open the door when forwarned about terrorists hijacking planes?
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          • pavyracer
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 04-12-07
            • 82900

            #6
            Forget about fortifying the doors. How about a single executive to keep them shut and locked during flights.
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            • Willie Bee
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-14-06
              • 15726

              #7
              Originally posted by obama our lord
              Putting aside the notion of what executive authority Bush would have had to order private businesses to make capital improvements (even if he had the authority, everyone would've thought he was nuts if he had made such an edict), the terrorists would have simply started slitting throats until the pilots voluntarily opened the doors.
              Of course at that time, passengers could carry knives as well. Now I have to check my pocketknife that I've carried on me as long as I can remember. They would have at least received a fight from me and I'd have never thought twice about why the pilots wouldn't open their door. Tell me, OOL, how did opening the doors fare for those passengers in the end?
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              • frostno98
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 09-11-07
                • 9769

                #8
                Pilot carrying a gun amidst the Sept 11 was the right call, because we needed a quick fix out of paranoia and not enough research. I'm fairly certain that Airline cockpit doors are more secure than ever and you'll probably need c-4 to get in.
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                • obama our lord
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 12-24-08
                  • 562

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                  Forget about fortifying the doors. How about a single executive to keep them shut and locked during flights.
                  Tell me for how many years have planes been hijacked without there ever being any order to fortify cockpits or to keep cockpit doors closed regardless of whose throat is being slit?


                  There were vague warnings of hijackers using planes as weapons presented to Clinton in 1998, yet he did nothing.

                  Why? There was simply nothing actionable and no will to take the kind of preventative measures we have in place now.

                  Regardless of who was President, there would have been no will to take the security measures we have without 911.

                  And now that we have them, the moonbats whine about them.
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                  • capitalist pig
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-25-07
                    • 4998

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pimike



                    He really scares me since I am an instructor in firearms.
                    Me too, but its Pelosi that scares me, she is the one running the country at the moment.Im more convinced everyday that a new AWB is going to happen sooner than later,JMO.

                    later
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                    • Willie Bee
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-14-06
                      • 15726

                      #11
                      Originally posted by frostno98
                      I'm fairly certain that Airline cockpit doors are more secure than ever and you'll probably need c-4 to get in.
                      C4! Some moron will probably try it now. That's funny.

                      Originally posted by capitalist pig
                      ...but its Pelosi that scares me
                      No lie, Congress scares me way more than any president ever has. Think about this, CP: Al Franken could cast deciding votes in the Senate! Al fcuking Franken, who'd a thunk it?
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                      • pavyracer
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 04-12-07
                        • 82900

                        #12
                        Originally posted by frostno98
                        Pilot carrying a gun amidst the Sept 11 was the right call, because we needed a quick fix out of paranoia and not enough research. I'm fairly certain that Airline cockpit doors are more secure than ever and you'll probably need c-4 to get in.
                        Even if the pilots had guns while flying the planes the fact the doors were not locked doomed them. It takes 2 seconds for 4 terrorists armed with knives to slit the throats of the pilots before they knew what hit them. Remember during take off the pilots are strapped to their seats trying to control complicated instruments, pedals, power shifts and wear big headphones to communicate with control tower. Even if their guns were loaded with the safeties off in the holsters the terrorists would have overpowered them and slit their throats because they were sitting ducks.

                        What you needed was air marshals with the passengers...not pilots carrying guns.
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                        • pimike
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 03-23-08
                          • 37140

                          #13
                          Originally posted by capitalist pig
                          Me too, but its Pelosi that scares me, she is the one running the country at the moment.Im more convinced everyday that a new AWB is going to happen sooner than later,JMO.

                          later
                          You are right, just not sure how Pelosi became so powerful? Maybe she is the Antichrist, out deceiving all.
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