Would like to Thank DonJuan and MonkeyFocker

Nicky Santoro · 03-16-09, 09:33 AM

wait a min, they tell you to beat the closing # and you will win, and you didnt know this? omg.. if you didn't know this, you shouldn't be gambling.. it's been mentioned here over 12,342 times and you needed these 2 to tell you this..

aao, trust me, these 2 guys in donny and monkey are not the brightest guys at sbr.. i'd say donny is smarter than monkeyfocker. this monkeyfocker is a big know it all wannabe wise guy, that's all he is.. but he is fukkiin clueless i swear. the kid has no idea about gambling, but wants to be known as one. he wants to be the next ace rothstein of Casino, but the closest he will be is ace rothshit..

99% of the things ace rothshit says here is just attacking me and saying i am wrong, and then when i challenge him to take my action since i am wrong, ace rothshit runs home and says he dont bet..

AgainstAllOdds · 03-16-09, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

wait a min, they tell you to beat the closing # and you will win, and you didnt know this? omg.. if you didn't know this, you shouldn't be gambling.. it's been mentioned here over 12,342 times and you needed these 2 to tell you this..

aao, trust me, these 2 guys in donny and monkey are not the brightest guys at sbr.. i'd say donny is smarter than monkeyfocker. this monkeyfocker is a big know it all wannabe wise guy, that's all he is.. but he is fukkiin clueless i swear. the kid has no idea about gambling, but wants to be known as one. he wants to be the next ace rothstein of Casino, but the closest he will be is ace rothshit..

99% of the things ace rothshit says here is just attacking me and saying i am wrong, and then when i challenge him to take my action since i am wrong, ace rothshit runs home and says he dont bet..

Nickles,

1. I always knew I had to beat closing lines, but never knew the math behind it or if I was acutally getting a good deal.
2. Its very ignorant to call either of them clueless as you all are doing the same thing, and are basically in the same boat, you just have different ways of going about it.
3.Dont want to seem like a kiss-azz but really DonJuan sat in chat for like 2.5 hours one night just answering questions from Immortality and I. And Monk has answered countless PM's with questions I have asked.

A thank you was in order as there are not too many other posters here they give up such valuable info.

donjuan · 03-16-09, 09:47 AM

AAO, glad to help.

Nicky, your reading comprehension is absolutely atrocious.

LT Profits · 03-16-09, 09:48 AM

There is nothing at all clueless about DonJuan and MonkeyFocker, they are two sharp tacks.

(Even if Monkey and I disagree vehemently on Siena/Ohio State...LOL)

Nicky Santoro · 03-16-09, 09:55 AM

i can name you 43 guys on sbr that are way way way sharper than ace rothshit.. (aka monkeyfocker).. and 43 is being modest.. this kid is a wannabe wise guy only. he wants to be known as a wiseguy here, but he doesn't have it. clueless kid.

AgainstAllOdds · 03-16-09, 10:02 AM

Nickles,

I once had a good friend named Sick Gambler. He cracked up a few years ago and noone ever heard from him again. You are just about at that line. Nickles, I dont want to see you crack up like him. Maybe you should take a few days off?

Nicky Santoro · 03-16-09, 10:07 AM

aao, it's a compliment to be mentioned in the same sentence as sick gambler, but ace rothshit (aka monkeyfocker) has come into each of my threads and say how wrong i am, and each time i say if i am wrong, then challenge me, and he runs home to mommy each time. he just loves to always disagree with me no matter if i say it's sunny outside, he'll say it's cloudy.. he has no clue aao..

aao, if you are going to take anyone's gamlbing advice here, there are 43 others to listen to before this clueless kid.. he really is clueless. he just likes to pretend he's smart. he looks up to guys like donny juan, justin, ganch, rjt, durito, reno cool and so on.. he will never be like them, so dont listen to ace rothshit anymore.. he realy knows nothing.

Data · 03-16-09, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

So Thank you DonJuan and MonkeyFock for giving up some of your time to assist me.

Props to both posters! I am very glad to see this change for the better in donjuan. Perhaps, I missed something in the past but this is the first evidence and it is solid. I always hoped he'd come through. Not that big of a surprise to hear this about MonkeyF0cker, he seems to be a decent guy, it is not that I am not expecting him to change for better in other areas.

To the mods: With other parties permission, I suggest making that chat transcript available. Helpful material should be cherished and shared.

Mudcat · 03-16-09, 10:41 AM

Donjuan and Moneyf0cker seem to have a good understanding of gambling theory. They are the kind of guys I hoped this forum would attract and have as mainstays back when we started it up. I thought it was unfortunate at the time that SBR_John and jjgold had such a different - zanier, antics-based - vision for the forum.

But things have changed so much since Aug. 2005. Now when I hear about people spreading good information, I just want to say, "SHUT UP!"

RogueJuror · 03-16-09, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Mudcat

But things have changed so much since Aug. 2005. Now when I hear about people spreading good information, I just want to say, "SHUT UP!"

Indeed, I can relate to this sentiment.

Props to this guys that do take their time to help.

DeluxeLiner · 03-16-09, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by Data

Props to both posters! I am very glad to see this change for the better in donjuan. Perhaps, I missed something in the past but this is the first evidence and it is solid. I always hoped he'd come through. Not that big of a surprise to hear this about MonkeyF0cker, he seems to be a decent guy, it is not that I am not expecting him to change for better in other areas.

To the mods: With other parties permission, I suggest making that chat transcript available. Helpful material should be cherished and shared.

Yes, that transcript would be really great if that is possible.

sickler · 03-16-09, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Mudcat

Donjuan and Moneyf0cker seem to have a good understanding of gambling theory. They are the kind of guys I hoped this forum would attract and have as mainstays back when we started it up. I thought it was unfortunate at the time that SBR_John and jjgold had such a different - zanier, antics-based - vision for the forum.

But things have changed so much since Aug. 2005. Now when I hear about people spreading good information, I just want to say, "SHUT UP!"

I disagree. There's room for both.

Everyone knows the saying: "All work and no play makes Jack (ie SBR) a dull boy".

Iwinyourmoney · 03-16-09, 10:52 AM

If you needed them to know you need to beat the number, quit now

jjgold · 03-16-09, 10:55 AM

Anyone giving their time you have to give credit too so good job too both. AAO................Sick Gambler was the one who first said you need to beat the closing number and now everyone is copying his info. Nicky even copies Sickler's strategies and wins with them. All the great gambling sports betting lines/odds theories were started by Sick Gambler and lets not forget this.

daggerkobe · 03-16-09, 10:59 AM

This is equivalent to giving someone the Medal of Honor because they helped you across the street.

Nicky Santoro · 03-16-09, 11:00 AM

jj, good memory. .sick gambler was indeed the first guy in forum history to say to beat closing # is ONLY way you win in gambling. jj, you have a great memory.. you can make a search at Rx or MW and see that he was saying this back in 2000, so this justin saying this in his vid or these 2 guys saying this here is nothing new..

jjgold · 03-16-09, 11:08 AM

Nothing wrong with guys copying theories and applying them but they need to give credit to who started it all on the forums and that was Sick Gambler. Nicky AAO knew this too and got the betting advice from searching old posts at MW What kid of stunt is he trying to pull here?? Nicky plus he won a few bets which is good but a few bets does not mean he has been successful. AAO do it for a year then talk to me.

MonkeyF0cker · 03-16-09, 12:32 PM

My pleasure, AAO. It's refreshing to see people like you and Immortality take the effort to learn it, especially now being able to stake with Kelly. Best of luck, buddy.

Immortality · 03-16-09, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

So Thank you DonJuan and MonkeyFock for giving up some of your time to assist me. Also, Justin7 for all of his great vids.

I second this thank you. Both Monkey and Don were very helpful and seemed happy to help. Lets stop turning this thread into the usual name calling pissing match. The bottom line is they helped with a lot of insight and it was not just beat the closing number. Thanks guys. I appreciated the help.

pat venditto · 03-16-09, 01:59 PM

Mudcat it doesn't matter if they teach him how to beat the closing number. Still alot more too it.

MonkeyF0cker · 03-16-09, 02:06 PM

There is more to beating the closing number than simply beating the closing number. That's what many here fail to comprehend. AAO and Immortality are now well on their way, however. They can figure out the no-vig closer, their edge, and Kelly staking now.

Willie Bee · 03-16-09, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by DeluxeLiner

Yes, that transcript would be really great if that is possible.

If someone can give me a time to look for it, and both DJ and MF want me to, I'll search through the chat transcripts for the info. Or did anyone (AAO or Immortality perhaps?) save a copy?

pico · 03-16-09, 02:56 PM

so there is a math formula involved? isn't it just have lots of outs and pick the best line and bet it? or just take the slow book line after the sharp steam move.

MonkeyF0cker · 03-16-09, 02:57 PM

You'll have to ask dj, Willie, as I wasn't in chat. I showed them how to calculate the no-vig closer in a thread and had to take my seat in a poker game shortly afterward. From there, dj offered to show them how to apply it to a live scenario via chat.

smitch124 · 03-16-09, 03:00 PM

Was Compactor, out chat court reporter, there? He should have it all in his archives.

donjuan · 03-16-09, 03:11 PM

From there, dj offered to show them how to apply it to a live scenario via chat.

I ended up not using that example as it would have incorporated some other stuff and I didn't want to overload them with info. I did show them how to use the half point calculator as a no-vig calc when there are only two possible outcomes, though.

MonkeyF0cker · 03-16-09, 03:18 PM

Ahh, ok. I'm not sure it would be too comprehensive then as the conversations are spread between several different mediums: a thread, chat, and PM's.

AgainstAllOdds · 03-16-09, 04:15 PM

Willie, it was more of a " you had to be there" kind of thing. We basically went from a thread with monk and kept it going in chat with Don. But you would have to understand the thread in order to understand the chat imo.