The Obama Disaster -- I hope you are effing proud of yourselves

[reno cool]

whats the point in arguing. at least data clearly doesnt suck bush's dick and spew out talking points. you can debate him, even though he is a free market dude.

andywend is a brain dead dittohead. put him on ignore.

I'd say Data's political views are as ridiculous as the other village idiots. His pompous attitude is the only thing that gives him an air of legitimacy.

[soli]

I voted for Obama and feel good about it. I'm gonna vote for him again for the next term too.

[Tunes]

Bush and the Republicans had 8 years to work their magic, and screwed everything up. Granted, if you're a millionaire you got to continue making money while the rest of us got taxed and lost our money to Ponzi schemes, etc., but you name me one area where we're better off now.

And Obama's had 50 days and he's somehow created a disaster? This guy's gotta undo 8 years of Bush and VP Goebbels, how is he supposed to turn it around overnight?

[Data]

It seems that a piece of artwork by a local SBR artist HAPPY BOY should be the most appropriate in this thread. I took a liberty in slightly modifying the message.

[Tunes]

very intelligent response. don't worry, in 3 1/2 years you'll get to vote for mitt romney.

[daggerkobe]

O rly andy?

You answer rhetorical questions? I mustve missed that, would u please link it for me?

Im especially interested because i hadnt asked some of the questions before.... but apparently u have psychic abilities and answered before i asked. Id really love to see it. Link it, OK? Thanks!

[DwightShrute]

who isn't Anti-War? Peace has to be defended sometimes! news flash - "there are some bad people out there"

Government should do 4 things: Help their sick, educate their children, Protect their citizens and build and fix roads (bridges, airports etc) , other than that.. very few exceptions! Conservatives have a better platform if they stick to it but they don't which is too bad and while I would never ever vote Democrat, President Obama is one of the most gifted politicians. He has extraordinary talents. He has communication skills that hardly anyone can surpass. When Obama talks about past economies, he somehow always leaves out the recession of the '80s as worst than this one.

I wish him luck.

[losturmarbles]

who isn't Anti-War? Peace has to be defended sometimes! news flash - "there are some bad people out there"

Government should do 4 things: Help their sick, educate their children, Protect their citizens and build and fix roads (bridges, airports etc) , other than that.. very few exceptions! Conservatives have a better platform if they stick to it but they don't which is too bad and while I would never ever vote Democrat, President Obama is one of the most gifted politicians. He has extraordinary talents. He has communication skills that hardly anyone can surpass. When Obama talks about past economies, he somehow always leaves out the recession of the '80s as worst than this one.

I wish him luck.

how does government accomplish these 4 things?

why is it government's responsibility to help their sick and educate their children?

[losturmarbles]

Bush and the Republicans had 8 years to work their magic, and screwed everything up. Granted, if you're a millionaire you got to continue making money while the rest of us got taxed and lost our money to Ponzi schemes, etc., but you name me one area where we're better off now.

And Obama's had 50 days and he's somehow created a disaster? This guy's gotta undo 8 years of Bush and VP Goebbels, how is he supposed to turn it around overnight?

8 years of magic?

you voted for obama bc you were tired of being taxed?

ponzi schemes? you mean like social security? dont worry if youre a tax payer you'll be donating more to that ponzi scheme.

in 50 days obama managed to spend more than bush did in iraq and afghanistan together. so you think you can fix problems created from over spending by doubling our debts?

[DwightShrute]

how does government accomplish these 4 things?

why is it government's responsibility to help their sick and educate their children?

With all the money they receive from taxes, you don't think it's the government's responsibilty to provide decent medical and teach their kids? I am saying that you shouldn't be uninsured and or lose almost everything if you get sick in the states and if we ignore quality education I think we will lose to other countries with uneducated young people growing up to face the world.

What should the government spend the tax dollars on?

Do you agree with a strong military?

How bout the countries infrastructure?

Basically the less government the better. They aren't good in business, never have been.

[losturmarbles]

With all the money they receive from taxes, you don't think it's the government's responsibilty to provide decent medical and teach their kids? I am saying that you shouldn't be uninsured and or lose almost everything if you get sick in the states and if we ignore quality education I think we will lose to other countries with uneducated young people growing up to face the world.

What should the government spend the tax dollars on?

Do you agree with a strong military?

How bout the countries infrastructure?

Basically the less government the better. They aren't good in business, never have been.

what makes you think theyre good at health care and good at education, yet you think they are bad in business?

where does the government get the authority to collect taxes?

[losturmarbles]

lets say you and i were standing beside each other and someone walks up and asks for donations. the guy is holding out a jar and says his son has leukemia and he needs help covering the medical costs.
should i make a donation? should you make a donation?
i think most people would. i think most people are charitable and like helping our fellow man.

however what if i had no other source of income other what i take from other people.
this guy walks up and i turn to you and say give me a thousand dollars to give to this guy. i know you just a big payout from an investment you made. that is money you do not need. this guys needs it. give it to me to give it to him.

would this be acceptable behavior?

[DwightShrute]

what makes you think theyre good at health care and good at education, yet you think they are bad in business?

where does the government get the authority to collect taxes?

I am not gonna get into the "authority to collect taxes" thing cause we probably agree that it was supposed to be a short term measure to pay for the war but it is the way it is and they will never eliminate taxes. All i want them to do is spend it wisely. Is that too much to ask?

[losturmarbles]

what if i hold a gun to your head and forced you to give me the grand to give to him?

[DwightShrute]

what if i hold a gun to your head and forced you to give me the grand to give to him?

I doubt that you could force me to do anything against my will

[DwightShrute]

http://undergroundrepublicans.blogspot.com/ good stuff

[losturmarbles]

yeah my hypothetical gun just blew your head off.

[obama our lord]

I'd say Data's Obama's political views are as ridiculous as the other village idiots. His pompous attitude is the only thing that gives him an air of legitimacy.

[andywend]

O rly andy?

You answer rhetorical questions? I mustve missed that, would u please link it for me?

Im especially interested because i hadnt asked some of the questions before.... but apparently u have psychic abilities and answered before i asked. Id really love to see it. Link it, OK? Thanks!

DAGGERKOBE, THIS IS THE 3RD AND LAST TIME I AM GOING TO RESPOND TO YOUR SET OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU KEEP POSTING!!!

Were the Democrats in charge when Bush ignored 9/11 warnings costing the US thousands of innocent lives and $30 BILLION in cleanup afterwards?

Were the Democrats in charge when Bush FIRED the Fannie Mae regulator who had warned of the impending subprime crisis in 2003?

Were the Democrats in charge when Dumbya invaded Iraq which cost the US not only thousands of soldiers lives but $600 BILLION? This unnecessary war will cost the tax payers an estimated $1.5 TRILLION!!!!!!

Were the Democrats in charge in 2004 when SEC relaxed rules that enabled investment banks to substantially increase the level of debt, fueling the growth in mortgage backed securities supporting subprime mortgages?

Were the Democrats in charge in 2004 when HUD increased "affordable housing" from 50% to 56% in the face of warnings from HUD researchers of the subprime crisis??????

Daggerkobe said:
Just like when Bush was warned about hijackings for 8 months prior to 9-11 and did nothing.

Useless pathetic liberals like yourself protested the targeting of young Muslim men at airport security checkpoints shortly AFTER the 9/11 tragedy.

Even if Bush's intelligence team was able to intercept a phone call which revealed Al Qaeda's exact plans of carrying out the 9/11 tragedy, you would have protested the illegal wiretapping of the call as well as joined the ACLU in protest of treating young Muslim men unfairly at airport security checkpoints.

DaggerKobe said:
Just like how Fannie Mae regulator warned him about the subprime crisis and instead of heeding his warnings he FIRED him instead!

Republican after republican warned democrats of this subprime crisis and democrats like Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi INSISTED that there is no subprime crisis and continued to push for lending to low income people and minorities. Here are a few YouTube videos confirming this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAuOEdttjZQ

I have one question for you:

Why did you trash Bush when his overspending increased the deficit and yet you praise Obama's overspending (especially since Obama's spending is putting Bush to shame)?

ALL DEMOCRATS ARE HYPOCRITES AND YOU ARE CERTAINLY NO EXCEPTION!!!

[tacomax]

It is mind boggling that supposedly Republican president had monetary policy developed by Keynesian economists since Keynesians despise and oppose the free market which, in turn, is supposedly a foundation of Republican Party economic policy.

Keynesians despise and oppose the free market? Come on.

Keynes may have held the argument that a depressed economy can be conquered by a reduction in interest rates and/or an increase in Government spending (or reduction in taxes) but it has nothing to do with the free-ness of the market. Generally economists always agree that the free market is best; it is the intricacies of how it works in practice which is the major area of concern/disagreement.

[daggerkobe]

Oh yeah how can i forget andywacko, you did answer SOME of my questions with non-sequiturs and retarded logic.

What does what ifs AFTER 9/11 have to do with Dumbya doing NOTHING for 8 months prior to 9-11? Had he done even minimal work, such as meeting his senior anti-terrorism expert he would have learned about the planned hijackings, the hijackers enrolled in flight schools and flying them into buildings. If the crackhead drunkass lazyass wouldve turned off Sppngebob Squarepants and warned the airliners they wouldve fortified the cockpit doors and 9-11 would just be a date. Instead his stupiditu and laziness cost the US thousands of innocent lives and $30 BILLION!!!!!

Yes, what Queen Nancy Pelosi wants she gets. Like when she opposed Bushs plans to invade Iraq. No wait, she spoke out against and he still invaded!!!! I am shocked!
Idiots like u can keep blaming the Democrats but the reality is, Neonitwits controlled the White House and Congress. They could have pushed any legislation through!!!!!!But they didnt because their donors were getting RICH of the subprime lending!!!!!!!

I never criticized Dumya for pouring money into our economy dumbass. But i do have a problem with pouring 1.5 Trillion into Iraqis.

Stay clueless.

[obama our lord]

What does what ifs AFTER 9/11 have to do with Dumbya doing NOTHING for 8 months prior to 9-11

Why did Clinton do nothing for 8 years?

[pavyracer]

Clinton bombed Al Qaeda after the african embassies bombings and after the USS Cole attack. Bush did nothing for 9 months because he wanted Al Qaeda to strike first to justify his blood thirsty war agenda.

[obama our lord]

Clinton bombed Al Qaeda after the african embassies bombings and after the USS Cole attack. Bush did nothing for 9 months because he wanted Al Qaeda to strike first to justify his blood thirsty war agenda.

So if Bush had bombed an empty building and an empty tent, you'd be just peachy with him?

[Bradyd]

When I post messages, one of my goals is to word them in such a manner that will enrage brain-dead liberals like DaggerKobe and Ryan XL. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

Data, I agree with you that the Bush administration and the congressional republicans in charge during his first 6 years completely abandoned true conservative principles and wound up helping the democratic party more than they could ever help themselves. I was so outraged by their actions that I refrained from voting in the 2006 mid-terms and I was pleased that congressional republicans lost their power. THEY ABSOLUTELY DESERVED IT!!!

I disagree with your statement that Obama shouldn't be held responsible for the 3,000 point drop that occurred in the financial markets since he won the election.

Obama and the democrats passing TRILLION DOLLAR ear-marked/pork-filled legislation was partially responsible along with Obama doing absolutely nothing to calm market jitters.

You'll notice that as soon as he said "now is a great time to buy stock if you have a long term horizon", the Dow has gone up 600 points in 3 days. It went up because Obama is finally telling the financial markets that he does NOT want them to fail (even though I still feel he does).

At what point will Obama be judged by his actions? As long as people continue to blame Bush, Obama is going to keep spending TRILLIONS wastefully and drive our country into a deeper and deeper hole.

I understand why the liberal democrats supported that 8,500+ earmarked stimulus bill because they are PUPPETS and will do whatever their liberal democratic MASTERS tell them. However, everyone else needs to tell Obama and the congressional democrats to stop with the earmarks and pork and to start spending taxpayer money wisely.

DaggerKobe, you have asked those same 3 questions on multiple posts and I have answered them on several different occassions so I am NOT going to waste my time doing so again.

Less than 60 days in office is not enough time for anyone to be judged. How about let the man figure out a way to fix this mess. It won't happen overnight, which he has said time and time again. If the economy was getting better, than Obama would have fixed this huge problem faster than the Washington Wizards playoff hopes. It's just not possible for anyone to do it that fast. How about stop critizicing him at every turn, and give him time to work.

40% of those earmarks were from Republicans. Let me guess, would you have liked for all the democrats earmarks to be taken off and keep all the rest?

[pavyracer]

So if Bush had bombed an empty building and an empty tent, you'd be just peachy with him?

He could have sent the Delta Force and capture Bin Laden in his sleep if he had a clue on what to do as a president. He was too busy reading kids books upside down at kindergarden.

[wtf]

the thing is it seems as though he is capriciously pumping money into the system for the sake of doing "something"

i still contend if he MASSIVELY reduced taxes all of this would go away

[obama our lord]

He could have sent the Delta Force and capture Bin Laden in his sleep if he had a clue on what to do as a president. He was too busy reading kids books upside down at kindergarden.

Does the term "needle in haystack" mean anything to you? Have you any idea how easy it is to hide in the mountains of Afghanistan/Pakistan? If it so easy to capture Bin Laden, why did Clinton never do it? After all, he later claimed that counter-terrorism was a top priority of his Presidency.

[pavyracer]

If Bush is better president than Clinton he should have gotten Bin Laden without claiming lame excuses like the one above.

[daggerkobe]

Clinton did nothing for 8 years.

Clinton: [Clarke] said we took vigorous action after the African embassies.
Factcheck: Clarke did give Clinton administration credit for being vigorous in responding to the embassy bombings.

Clinton: I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill [bin Laden].
Factcheck: indeed, CIA worked with tribal groups to try to get bin Laden.

Clinton: After the [attack on the USS] Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden.
Factcheck: Clinton did draw up plans as he described and was indeed frustrated by the reluctance of the CIA & FBI to pin blame for the attack squarely on bin Laden.

Clinton: I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since.
Factcheck: Clinton probably came within hours of killing bin Laden on Aug 20, 1998 when the US attacked training camps in Afghanistan near Khost.

http://www.factchecks.org/elections-2006/osama_bin_missing_whos_tried_hardest_to.html

"Clinton did nothing for 8 years"

You're a fvcking moron raiders72001. Stick to whining about blacks not tipping and posting blogs about women carving themselves and blaming it on Obama.

[obama our lord]

Clinton did nothing for 8 years.

Clinton: [Clarke] said we took vigorous action after the African embassies.
Factcheck: Clarke did give Clinton administration credit for being vigorous in responding to the embassy bombings.

Clinton: I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill [bin Laden].
Factcheck: indeed, CIA worked with tribal groups to try to get bin Laden.

Clinton: After the [attack on the USS] Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden.
Factcheck: Clinton did draw up plans as he described and was indeed frustrated by the reluctance of the CIA & FBI to pin blame for the attack squarely on bin Laden.

Clinton: I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since.
Factcheck: Clinton probably came within hours of killing bin Laden on Aug 20, 1998 when the US attacked training camps in Afghanistan near Khost.

http://www.factchecks.org/elections-2006/osama_bin_missing_whos_tried_hardest_to.html

"Clinton did nothing for 8 years"

You're a fvcking moron raiders72001. Stick to whining about blacks not tipping and posting blogs about women carving themselves and blaming it on Obama.

Factcheck: Clinton never did anything but pointlessly waste cruise missiles and never captured Bin laden.

[obama our lord]

Clinton did nothing for 8 years.

Clinton: [Clarke] said we took vigorous action after the African embassies.
Factcheck: Clarke did give Clinton administration credit for being vigorous in responding to the embassy bombings.

Clinton: I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill [bin Laden].
Factcheck: indeed, CIA worked with tribal groups to try to get bin Laden.

Clinton: After the [attack on the USS] Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden.
Factcheck: Clinton did draw up plans as he described and was indeed frustrated by the reluctance of the CIA & FBI to pin blame for the attack squarely on bin Laden.

Clinton: I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since.
Factcheck: Clinton probably came within hours of killing bin Laden on Aug 20, 1998 when the US attacked training camps in Afghanistan near Khost.

http://www.factchecks.org/elections-2006/osama_bin_missing_whos_tried_hardest_to.html

"Clinton did nothing for 8 years"

You're a fvcking moron raiders72001. Stick to whining about blacks not tipping and posting blogs about women carving themselves and blaming it on Obama.

Myth: On August 6, 2001 Bush was briefed by the CIA about possible Al Qaeda attacks inside the US. Bush ordered no special precautions, and spent the rest of August on vacation.



Fact: Bush Administration Takes Action:

-The Counter-terrorism Security group (CSG) - which brings together WH officials with officials from all relevant federal agencies - began to meet several times per week, with telephone contact between key officials several times per day.

-The FBI was conducting active investigations inside the US, and issuing appropriate warnings:

--July 2 -- FBI released a warning message about a possible threat overseas. The warning specifically stated that while officials could not foresee a domestic attack, one could not be ruled out.

--July 18 - FBI issues message on Millennium plot conviction, reiterates 2 July message.

--Aug 1 - FBI issues alert on upcoming 3rd East Africa bombing Anniversary, reiterating July 2 message.

-The State Department issued a worldwide caution (June 22).

-Counter-terrorism Security Group suspends non-essential travel of US counter-terrorism staff (July 6).

-Five key FAA Information Circulars (IC) were issued alerting private carries to potential threats against airlines:

--June 22 - alerted carriers to a possible hijacking to free terrorist operatives

--July 2 - based on the testimony of a terrorist involved in the Millennium bombing plots, who told of a possible attempt place a bomb in an air terminal

--July 18 - though based on no specific threat information, urges all carries maintain a high degree of alertness.

--July 31 - reports that some active terrorist groups are known to train for hijacking operations.

--August 16 - warns carriers to be on alert for disguised weapons.

The August 6th briefing to the President that mentioned hijacking was not a threat report.

-It was an analysis of Al Qadea and Usama bin Laden that their desire to attack the US, and their preferred methods of operation.

-The analysis was prepared at the Presidents request, in response to his questions about Al Qaedas capabilities and intentions to harm US interests.

-The analysis mentioned hijacking as a possible operation Al Qaeda might attempt.

--But it did not say anything using aircraft as missiles.

--Rather, it mentioned the possibility that Al Qaeda might attempt to hijack a plane and hold passengers hostage to force the release of terrorist operatives, including the Blind Sheikh.
USA Today: "White House officials point out that the president is never off the clock. They refer to the 30 days at his Texas ranch - now it's called the Western White House - as a working vacation. He'll receive daily national security updates and handle the duties of the Oval Office from his 1,583-acre spread near Crawford."

[ryanXL977]

i trust ms61853 our lord more than i trust what the cia says. i mean, who would know better than he would? he heard it on the radio!!

[obama our lord]

Clinton did nothing for 8 years.

Clinton: [Clarke] said we took vigorous action after the African embassies.
Factcheck: Clarke did give Clinton administration credit for being vigorous in responding to the embassy bombings.

Clinton: I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill [bin Laden].
Factcheck: indeed, CIA worked with tribal groups to try to get bin Laden.

Clinton: After the [attack on the USS] Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale attack search for bin Laden.
Factcheck: Clinton did draw up plans as he described and was indeed frustrated by the reluctance of the CIA & FBI to pin blame for the attack squarely on bin Laden.

Clinton: I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since.
Factcheck: Clinton probably came within hours of killing bin Laden on Aug 20, 1998 when the US attacked training camps in Afghanistan near Khost.

http://www.factchecks.org/elections-2006/osama_bin_missing_whos_tried_hardest_to.html

"Clinton did nothing for 8 years"

You're a fvcking moron raiders72001. Stick to whining about blacks not tipping and posting blogs about women carving themselves and blaming it on Obama.

Under Clinton, we suffered 6 major attacks that were orchestrated by Bin Laden.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Bill Clinton warned America in his radio address that we should not overreact to the 1993 WTC bombing. "I would discourage the American people from overreacting to this," Clinton said.
Bill Clinton treated it as a petty criminal offense even though Bush 41 told him terrorists had declared war on America.
CIA director Woolsey now reveals that he never had a private personal meeting with Clinton during the first two years of his tenure as head of the CIA - exactly the key period in investigating the 1993 attack.
Bill Clinton did not visit the WTC towers.
Bill Clinton did not even make a public appearance on national television.
Bill Clinton tried to stop a reward fund for the capture of terrorists involved in the attack.
From the time President Clinton took office until May of 1995, a Presidential Decision Directive, PDD 39, sat in the National Security Council, in the In Box of one of the officials with no action taken. The significance of PDD 39 is that it was the document defining what the missions and roles were of combating terrorism.

Despite what happened at the World Trade Center in 1993, the Clinton administration did not finally act on [PDD 39] until after the attack in Oklahoma City.
The only reason for that is because in the two weeks prior to Oklahoma City, the front page of both Newsweek and Time Magazine carried the question: 'Is President Clinton Relevant?'

After the 1993 ambush in Somalia, which killed 19 and injured 84; President Clinton just tucked tail and ran away.

On May 4, 1993, Clinton having taken office in January, U.S. Marine Lt. Gen. Robert Johnston handed over control of the relief mission to the UN. "It's all yours," he told the new UN commander, a Turkish general, as he departed with most of his U.S. troops in tow.
Bill Clinton sent U.S. Army Rangers on a highly risky mission to take out Aidid. Aidid militia were not Somali but members of bin Laden's Al Qaeda network, who were deployed in his Mogadishu bases.
Bill Clinton denied the Pentagon a request for armor support.
After botching the whole mission, Clinton pulled out and Bin Laden took notice of that.
Bill Clinton even gave the target of the mission, Aidid, a marine guard after the botched mission to capture him.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Bill Clinton cared so little that his own assistant secretary of state, Dick Holbrooke, had trouble getting him to pay attention to warnings about the impending attack on the Khobar Towers.
After the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia in 1996, Clinton had Dick Morris take a poll. "We tested 'peacemaker' or 'toughness,'" York quotes Morris as recalling. The public preferred toughness. "So Clinton talked tough." But the FBI director, Louis Freeh, became so exasperated by Clinton's failure to raise the matter with Saudi officials that he actually asked former President George Bush to do so instead.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Clinton used American tax dollars to pay for the trucks used in the embassy bombings. (See Below)
The U.S. State Department thwarted an investigation into two suspects in the Aug. 7. 1998, bombing of the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, which had killed more than 250 people, including 12 Americans, according to reports from MSNBC news filed on July 29.
Clinton was more concerned with obstructing justice than doing anything about such a grave terrorist attack.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Shortly after the bombing of the Cole, Clinton had an opportunity to take Bin Laden out and refused to. (See Below)
A Pentagon intelligence expert on terrorism in the Persian Gulf has told Congress that he warned of possible terrorist attacks on U.S. forces.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise and got Bin Laden, 3,000 people in New York, Washington, D.C., and the Heros of Flight 93 that are now dead would be alive today and we wouldn't have lost 290 people along with more than 6,323 people that had been injured on his watch.

[ryanXL977]

not to mention clinton was president on 911!!!