If I had to pick 5 teams to cut down the nets...

[Smoke]

Msu is a real contender

Zona will be there

Iowa St has a good shot

Florida, outside looking in

Look out for Cincinnati

cincy

[InTheDrink]

cincy

Look at the fat ghey loser back posting

[Smoke]

Take your meds weirdo

[TeeRose]

My Top 5

1- Michigan State
2- Kansas
3- Ohio State
4- Wichita State
5- Michigan

[InTheDrink]

Take your meds weirdo

The fat ghey guey who can't handle the pressure of posting everyday is calling anyone weird

Go cash another pizza card so you can eat you fat ghey brokedik fukk

[Smoke]

The fat ghey guey who can't handle the pressure of posting everyday is calling anyone weird

Go cash another pizza card so you can eat you fat ghey brokedik fukk

There's a reason your on meds little boy

[InTheDrink]

There's a reason your on meds little boy

Good one

I forgot to mention how fukkin stupid you are. It's hard to keep up

[Smoke]

Looks like I struck a nerve

[las8]

Hawks have enough depth on both sides of the court to be dangerous

[MCOZONE]

Michigan State
Shockers
Zona
Badgers
OK state

[ChalkyDog]

I have actually never seen a team being ranked 1st on all polls an math models.

Arizona is dominating right now.

[RollinDo]

Zona
Okie State
Kansas
Cuse
Mich. State
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Sleepers: Iowa - teams that make it or win the NIT championship usually get that experience that helps in the NCAA tourney.
Pittsburgh - They will be chomping at the bit to win after an early exit in last year's Dance.
I see Iowa getting to Elite 8 or better.

[ChalkyDog]

Zona
Okie State
Kansas
Cuse
Mich. State
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Sleepers: Iowa - teams that make it or win the NIT championship usually get that experience that helps in the NCAA tourney.
Pittsburgh - They will be chomping at the bit to win after an early exit in last year's Dance.
I see Iowa getting to Elite 8 or better.

Jamie Dixon will always underachieve in March. It's painful to watch.

[ChalkyDog]

Just fukkin around looking at stats.

Arizona has 3 players in the top 20 nationally at defensive win shares. That's pretty unheard of. Both Aaron Gordon and Rondae Jefferson are 1 and tied for 2nd respectively in defensive win shares among freshman.

Defense holds up well in the tournament.

[Husker36]

I'd take

in no particular order

UK
Creighton
Iowa
Kansas
Mich St

Chalky is gonna bury me here but it's just one kids opinion...

Nice to see Creighton on your list. I'm a season ticket holder and this team is a once in a lifetime team for Creighton. McDermott is an amazing college bb player and should have a decent pro career. I heard an interesting thing the other day..... they had the Vegas lines makers rank the top 10 and they had Creighton at #10.

[Husker36]

My Top 5

1- Michigan State
2- Kansas
3- Ohio State
4- Wichita State
5- Michigan

The problem with Wichita State is that they will not be battle tested this season. With Creighton leaving the Mo Valley (Creighton dominated Wichita State last season) there is nobody to challenge Wichita State for the conference title. They had a nice little run last year but I don't see this Wichita State team making it to the sweet 16. My opinion.

[ChalkyDog]

The final four wont be chalk, and there is a lot of chalk on most peoples list.

There is parity this year. There aren't 4 dominant teams.

[Soxsfan9]

Give me Izzo and Zona and you can have the rest!

[DoggyStyle]

Badgers nuff said. Lol

Real list

JayHawks
Cuse
Badgers (homer, but they are damn good)
Zona

[nvrlose37]

I'd take

in no particular order

UK
Creighton
Iowa
Kansas
Mich St

Chalky is gonna bury me here but it's just one kids opinion...

I like Iowa a lot myself, they can shoot and can run the floor.

[You mad bro]

msu
kansas
zona
ohio state
oklahoma state

[GT21Megatron]

bro are you trying to be trendy with iowa and creighton.


Kansas and michigan state for sure are top 5 contenders. Kentucky will be there come march.


Did you not include arizona on purpose? Pitt will be in the conversation as the season progresses.

where is florida? Experience, depth, length?

[Cuse0323]

The final four wont be chalk, and there is a lot of chalk on most peoples list.

There is parity this year. There aren't 4 dominant teams.

I do think Zona and Cuse are a step ahead of everyone else but that's just me. Anything can happen obviously but no team scares me this year.

[brooks85]

5 teams... that's like entering 2 or more brackets for march madness and taking claim if/when one of them wins.

Pick a team.

UK

[ChalkyDog]

I do think Zona and Cuse are a step ahead of everyone else but that's just me. Anything can happen obviously but no team scares me this year.

Zona and Cuse are absolutely a cut above the rest, but Zona is a bad foul night and Cuse a team going off from deep from an L.

Tournament is hard to win. Toughest in all sports not named World Cup.

[Cuse0323]

Zona and Cuse are absolutely a cut above the rest, but Zona is a bad foul night and Cuse a team going off from deep from an L.

Tournament is hard to win. Toughest in all sports not named World Cup.

Yeah, basketball in a one game setting is something unpredictable really. Just like growing up, you play someone one on one, eventually you'll get at least one win.

[RichardGeorge]

Creighton? LOL... You need to play defense to win in March

[RichardGeorge]

Zona and Cuse are absolutely a cut above the rest, but Zona is a bad foul night and Cuse a team going off from deep from an L.

Tournament is hard to win. Toughest in all sports not named World Cup.

I don't think Arizona's offense is good enough to win 6 games in a row.

Teams with solid defense, like Ohio State, Michigan State, Villanova or Syracuse would absolutely shut down that mediocre offense.

Even if they have to play a team like St. Louis in the sweet 16, or Virginia in the 2nd round.. it would be a huge struggle for them.

[RichardGeorge]

My top 4 most likely would be:

- Kansas
- Kentucky
- Syracuse
- Villanova


All 4 teams have a solid mix of great offense and great defense.

[ChalkyDog]

Yeah, basketball in a one game setting is something unpredictable really. Just like growing up, you play someone one on one, eventually you'll get at least one win.

Just came across a fukked up stat:

If Syracuse maintains its number 2 ranking, it will tie Dayton for 3rd all time for consecutive weeks at number 2 without reaching number 1.

Preseason rankings are the only reason the rankings at the top aren't flipped.

[ChalkyDog]

I don't think Arizona's offense is good enough to win 6 games in a row.

Teams with solid defense, like Ohio State, Michigan State, Villanova or Syracuse would absolutely shut down that mediocre offense.

Even if they have to play a team like St. Louis in the sweet 16, or Virginia in the 2nd round.. it would be a huge struggle for them.

Depends on what you call mediocre?

Arizona this year has one of the faster offenses under miller with just around 12 seconds per possession and they just dropped 91 on Arizona State with about 3 minutes of walkons used. 7 guys scoring double digits. You'd be hard pressed to find who the last team that did that in conference play was. Arizona has guys that can score for days.

Arizona plays at whatever speed. OSU is good and so is MSU. Very good. Arizona and Cuse are just better. Only thing that gets Arizona a loss is foul trouble, which will happen in the tournament.

At current, Arizona is playing out of their minds. A graphed quantitative ranking that kenpom uses:

[ChalkyDog]

Here is something everyone here will get. Arizona is 13-4 ATS on the season. They've been ranked number 1 for many of those covers. You know damn well, that number should be a lot closer to 50:50. Books can't even cap these guys right now, which is amazing considering their profile currently.

[StackinGreen]

Not that it means (at this moment, things can change later, yes) much but no one can match up with Arizona, you're absolutely insane given their history and Sweet 16 run last year to not include them ...


Louisville Kid, Winn just went Magic Eight for this year, I'll give you 3 more. Who do you add to make up the 8?

[ChalkyDog]

Stat for Lville kid:

According to Kenpom, Louisville last year and the Kansas team that beat Calipari are the best teams to win the title in the last 5 years, have a number higher than what Arizona is at currently.

2013: Louisville = 0.9713 / All others were less than 0.9515
2012: Kentucky = 0.9690 / All others were less than 0.9545
2010: Duke = 0.9667 / Kansas = 0.9635 / All others were less than 0.9395
2009: North Carolina = 0.9599 / Memphis = 0.9570 / All others were less than 0.9518
2008: Kansas = 0.9753 / Memphis = 0.9661 / All others were less than 0.9537

I find this funny only because if you ask anyone, including myself, I would give 2012 Kentucky the nod as the best national title winner in the last 5. Wouldn't even think twice.

[StackinGreen]

Chalk,

How good is KenPom at predicting the tournament and/or its winner overall for the last 5-10 years?

Thanks