Grizzlies +5.5-105 and ML +195

[t-wizzle]

I like how you keep saying that. Before these bloated guaranteed contracts, it wasn't "just basketball." This may not be new to you, but it is relatively new to the NBA, which used to be a competitive league where teams actually played hard and took games seriously.

Yeah, losing a 7-point lead in 13 seconds is just basketball. A team as talented as the Thunder making one field goal in 7-plus minutes at home against one of the worst teams in the league is just basketball. Happens all the time. LOL.

College basketball is horrific as well, but at least those kids try. Nothing worse than failed effort combined with failed execution, which is what you see running rampant through this league right now. About 10 teams need to be cut loose for the NBA to get off the "joke" peg, because that's where it's at right now.

So in one breath, it's an awful product and in another breath Thunder are so talented.

The nature of the game lends itself to teams making runs. It's not a systematic scoring system.

I agree about contracting and have been saying that for years but that will never happen.

[lakerboy]

Damn MEMPHIS

they will win by 8

[No coincidences]

its that type of sport though isnt it? you cant really expect blacks to sustain focus for 2-3 hours can you?

Not with multi-millionaires littering the court. And it's not a black thing. It's a green thing.

Too many teams + too many games + guaranteed monster contracts = what we see on a nightly basis. Just complete and utter dogshit -- kind of like what Doc and the Clippers did to you the other night.

[No coincidences]

So in one breath, it's an awful product and in another breath Thunder are so talented.

The nature of the game lends itself to teams making runs. It's not a systematic scoring system.

I agree about contracting and have been saying that for years but that will never happen.

Talent isn't the issue. There is more physical talent and athleticism on any given NBA court than there ever has been in the history of this game.

[t-wizzle]

Talent isn't the issue. There is more physical talent and athleticism on any given NBA court than there ever has been in the history of this game.

I disagree. There is more athleticism than ever before but not the talent. Talent to me is a guy who has the skill level to actually shoot a basketball or take a guy off the dribble. NBA and basketball on the whole is way too much dribble and not enough skill.

[No coincidences]

I disagree. There is more athleticism than ever before but not the talent. Talent to me is a guy who has the skill level to actually shoot a basketball or take a guy off the dribble. NBA and basketball on the whole is way too much dribble and not enough skill.

Well, I should clarify by saying "raw" talent -- because these guys aren't being coached enough at their college pit stops to hone their skills, and they sure as hell aren't being coached by these jokers who call themselves NBA coaches.

That's why Phoenix is doing so well -- because Hornacek is actually pushing the right buttons. 75% of the coaches in this league have no business keeping their jobs.

The NBA is just a goddam mess right now.

[SportsMushroom]

on the griz griz too

you think you have a bet won, and then they let them go on an 18 point run

how does a professional nba team let an opponent score 9 straight times without even scoring one point in between?

[lakerboy]

Talent isn't the issue. There is more physical talent and athleticism on any given NBA court than there ever has been in the history of this game.

you are right about the talent thing. its the black thing. these new generation blacks had there forefathers take care of everything for them. why do you think that magic hates howard? guys like howard would have been out of the league at this point in their careers in the old days.

[t-wizzle]

Well, I should clarify by saying "raw" talent -- because these guys aren't being coached enough at their college pit stops to hone their skills, and they sure as hell aren't being coached by these jokers who call themselves NBA coaches.

That's why Phoenix is doing so well -- because Hornacek is actually pushing the right buttons. 75% of the coaches in this league have no business keeping their jobs.

The NBA is just a goddam mess right now.

It goes further back than college. Jordan was great but his impact has been awful on the game. Every kid wanted to be the next Jordan and now kids want to be the next Lebron. The result is dribble dribble dribble drive dunk rather than pass pass shoot (I know Lebron is a great passer but his highlights are mostly dunks). This is why there are no good big men anymore. Oh and the 3 point line ruined the game as well. None of these guys can shoot a 15 footer.

[lakerboy]

It goes further back than college. Jordan was great but his impact has been awful on the game. Every kid wanted to be the next Jordan and now kids want to be the next Lebron. The result is dribble dribble dribble drive dunk rather than pass pass shoot (I know Lebron is a great passer but his highlights are mostly dunks). This is why there are no good big men anymore. Oh and the 3 point line ruined the game as well. None of these guys can shoot a 15 footer.

see wayne gretzky and the nhl. people laugh at hockey but gretzky came to cali and now they have 3 teams in that state alone. he was totally unselfish as a player and always available to the media. jordan was awesome but he just followed upon what magic created

[No coincidences]

you are right about the talent thing. its the black thing. these new generation blacks had there forefathers take care of everything for them. why do you think that magic hates howard? guys like howard would have been out of the league at this point in their careers in the old days.

Can't necessarily disagree with you, but again, I don't think it's just a black thing. It's money. Changed everything. Again, I don't blame these jokers for mailing it in so much. If you made that much dough regardless of your work performance, you wouldn't give a shit either.

[t-wizzle]

see wayne gretzky and the nhl. people laugh at hockey but gretzky came to cali and now they have 3 teams in that state alone. he was totally unselfish as a player and always available to the media. jordan was awesome but he just followed upon what magic created

The game of hockey is safe though bro because hockey highlights are great skill plays. When you see a hockey highlight it's some guy dangling. When you see a basketball highlight, it's some dude dunking. Then another guy dunking. The nhl game is evolving the more they go to the european style.

[No coincidences]

It goes further back than college. Jordan was great but his impact has been awful on the game. Every kid wanted to be the next Jordan and now kids want to be the next Lebron. The result is dribble dribble dribble drive dunk rather than pass pass shoot (I know Lebron is a great passer but his highlights are mostly dunks). This is why there are no good big men anymore. Oh and the 3 point line ruined the game as well. None of these guys can shoot a 15 footer.

Agree on all counts. Again, add guaranteed money and too many teams into the equation, and like I said, that's why this league is garbage now.

It's also what makes the NFL so competitive. Only 16 games, no guaranteed money outside of signing bonuses, and you have no choice but to play as a team.

[No coincidences]

jordan was awesome but he just followed upon what magic created

Yeah, but that's been completely misconstrued. Jordan and Magic both wanted to win at all costs. They were cut-throat competitors. LeBron pretends to be like that, but he's not. It's so obvious that it's all fake and an act.

Kobe's the last win at all costs/nothing else matters player left in the league, and might be the last one we'll ever see as long as the NBA continues down this destructive path.

[lakerboy]

they will win by 8

i know this league

[ROFLcopter]

Nice call pal

[lakerboy]

Nice call pal

[ROFLcopter]

LB you still taking Saints and GB this weekend?

[t-wizzle]

Nice call pal.


Take Kings second half

[lakerboy]

LB you still taking Saints and GB this weekend?

im on the saints alread at +2.5+115 for 3k. thats locked in. unless the books move to -3 im fine. i will never be convinved the saints lose to this kelly outfit unless i see it happen. i wanna take gb but i missed out. lets see how it goes.

[Seto]

[lakerboy]

Nice call pal.


Take Kings second half

i would take them -16

[lakerboy]

[t-wizzle]

i would take them -16

Well I'm already loaded up on them -8 for the game.

[JAnthony]

I like how you keep saying that. Before these bloated guaranteed contracts, it wasn't "just basketball." This may not be new to you, but it is relatively new to the NBA, which used to be a competitive league where teams actually played hard and took games seriously.

Yeah, losing a 7-point lead in 13 seconds is just basketball. A team as talented as the Thunder making one field goal in 7-plus minutes at home against one of the worst teams in the league is just basketball. Happens all the time. LOL.

College basketball is horrific as well, but at least those kids try. Nothing worse than failed effort combined with failed execution, which is what you see running rampant through this league right now. About 10 teams need to be cut loose for the NBA to get off the "joke" peg, because that's where it's at right now.

Stop crying for every time when you are on the wrong side.

[new era]

amazing.

[ebbearsfb1]

Stop crying for every time when you are on the wrong side.

If you don't think the league has issues.. then you can't be helped.. consistently rigged.. books run the show.. half ass effort my most of the guys

[jjgold]

I actually have a slogan under Lakerboy's poster on my wall that he sent me signed

"This guy is good"

[Big Bear]

good call.

u should have faded the Bobcats too.

They suck on the west coast.

[EasyPicks]

Not with multi-millionaires littering the court. And it's not a black thing. It's a green thing.

Too many teams + too many games + guaranteed monster contracts = what we see on a nightly basis. Just complete and utter dogshit -- kind of like what Doc and the Clippers did to you the other night.

I agree that's mostly a green thing, but is also a black thing (not for all the black players but I would risk to say for 80% of them).

I don't want to generate any fuzz/hate/etc on this comment but their mentality (either is a ghetto or a wannabe rap superstars thing) is different from other black players in other sports in other "white" countries.

[SportsMushroom]

If you don't think the league has issues.. then you can't be helped.. consistently rigged.. books run the show.. half ass effort my most of the guys

league is worth billions and is a huge organization

worth a lot more and has a lot more power than vegas sportbooks

ranting about fixes is sports is like screaming to the world you are a losing gambler