Griffey Jr. Going back to Seattle

[ryanspeer2001]

Thoughts?

I'm really glad to see this, takes me back 15 years to staying up real late watching Wednesday night baseball on a school night just to watch Griffey Jr. hit.

[Willie Bee]

Interesting, appears to have jilted the Braves on this one and they're already none too happy about the perception that Furcal did the same thing to them earlier this offseason.

Griffey adds depth to the outfield no doubt even though he's clearly not the same player he was, takes a little pressure of the unknown of playing Chavez and Gutierrez full-time right now. Can also see the Mariners sliding him into DH slot regularly and letting Clement catch more in place of Johjima.

[ryanXL977]

so now they have two yuniesky betacourts?

[Willie Bee]

Not sure what you mean, xl977.

[ryanspeer2001]

Interesting, appears to have jilted the Braves on this one and they're already none too happy about the perception that Furcal did the same thing to them earlier this offseason.

Griffey adds depth to the outfield no doubt even though he's clearly not the same player he was, takes a little pressure of the unknown of playing Chavez and Gutierrez full-time right now. Can also see the Mariners sliding him into DH slot regularly and letting Clement catch more in place of Johjima.

From what I've read it appears he is going to pretty much be their DH but I'm sure he will backup outfield. There was some small talk of them adding Garrett Anderson and if that develops they will have some very nice depth and experience to compete in that division.

[ryanXL977]

griffey is so far past done its not funny
he is a name only
the guy cant hit, cant throw, cant catch up to balls in the outfield
he is horrendous
this changes their win total from 61 to 63 maybe

he is better than GA, but if the mariners think adding two 40 yr olds who cant field, and can barely hit, offer them a better than 50/50 chance of winning 65 games, at most, they are smoking crack cocaine

[sickler]

For those who want the story:

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AvFQK_SJPWW7BzrQ4LqNuhkBbgM6?slug=ap-mariners-griffey&prov=ap&type=lgns

[element1286]

griffey is so far past done its not funny
he is a name only
the guy cant hit, cant throw, cant catch up to balls in the outfield
he is horrendous
this changes their win total from 61 to 63 maybe

he is better than GA, but if the mariners think adding two 40 yr olds who cant field, and can barely hit, offer them a better than 50/50 chance of winning 65 games, at most, they are smoking crack cocaine

This. He's about as useful as a AAAA outfielder at this point in his career.

[ryanXL977]

at least an aaa outfielder is young, i dont even think he is as good as many aaa players right now
he should never ever play of, never hit vs lefties
whats his value? ticket sales maybe?

[Chi_archie]

I think element means AAAA, as in 4a not 3a....

which denotes and older player, that has always been able to rake at AAA, but sucks at the Major League level. thus we call them AAAA , as that is the level they would need to play at, if it existed.

Element is well aquainted with these type of players, because Pittsburgh has developed a ton of them over the last few decades...

[MilfDriller]

another lazy guy with a big butt... this means more crime in Seattle

[element1286]

at least an aaa outfielder is young, i dont even think he is as good as many aaa players right now
he should never ever play of, never hit vs lefties
whats his value? ticket sales maybe?

As you said before, people know who he is. He is also blocking a couple of actual prospects, albeit not great ones, but guys with upside none the less.

[ryanXL977]

i know what he means, i am referring to developing a aaa player rather than using an old player, who isnt worth a damn

though i am sure plenty of people here dont know what 4a means, so that clarification may help some people here hopefully

reggie willits is aaaa
i dont think griffey is even aaa

[element1286]

I think element means AAAA, as in 4a not 3a....

which denotes and older player, that has always been able to rake at AAA, but sucks at the Major League level. thus we call them AAAA , as that is the level they would need to play at, if it existed.

Element is well aquainted with these type of players, because Pittsburgh has developed a ton of them over the last few decades...

I used to wear my Craig Wilson jersey with pride.

[Chi_archie]

at least Wilson had a few decent years...and one sensational Half...

I was a big Brad Eldred believer after his 13 hr's in 150 major league ab's...

[element1286]

at least Wilson had a few decent years...and one sensational Half...

I was a big Brad Eldred believer after his 13 hr's in 150 major league ab's...

He's the definition of a AAAA guy. Had a pretty good year in AAA for the White Sox this past year.

[ryanXL977]

wilson did have a couple nice yrs

to me, aaaa is reggit willits, freddy lewis, shelley duncan, etc

griffey isnt even aaaa

[Fischnasty]

yeah baby! my mariners getting griffey back will be sweet, regardless if hes good. mariners fans dont care if they win or lose by the way

[Willie Bee]

I'd say Griffey Jr has about a 50% chance to put up something like 110 games, .260/.340/.440, 15 HR, 60 RBI, and he's got about a 10% shot doing better, and a 40% doing .240/320/400, 8 HR, 40 RBI. He'll sell seats, add a little depth, maybe mentor an Endy Chavez or Franklin Gutierrez. He's a much better fit in Seattle than almost anywhere else.

[ryanXL977]

id agree with those numbers
not sure about the mentorign of endy chavez, hasnt his ceiling been reached already

gutierrez who knows. i did like him in cleve

[Willie Bee]

Not sure about Endy, just think a left field of Griffey and Chavez can't be any worse than either one on his own. Griffey should at least take some pressure of the two new outfielders. The guy they need to make sure doesn't lose ABs on this is Clement. I think Ronny Cedeño will push Yuniesky at short, maybe there will be a 1B platoon of Clement and Branyan eventually, with Clement also catching and DHing. If Seattle lets Griffey take Clement's place, they're screwing up.

[ryanXL977]

is clement a righty? i assume so.
the hting is, endy is a lefty correct? he is a total 4th outfielder, as is gutierrez, as is griffey, as is balentin. they have a solid 3b, a solid 2b, and ZERO at ss, ZERO at 1b, and ZERO at catcher. they are gonna close miggy batista, who throws 92 in a straight line. this signing was not made to win games, it was made to sell tickets. they let their best hitter walk to the phils, (yay) , and now they are left with a cleanup hitter (presumably beltre) who will never hit 30 hrs or 100 rbis again. i dont see any bright spots here other than morrow and maybe felix turning the corner. they are subpar offensively at almost every position outside of ichiro

[Fischnasty]

is clement a righty?

clement bats lefty despite being a catcher. you guys got me pumped for mariners bball and listening to dave niehaus' old ass!