Their are 4 teams that realistically have a chance of winning the super bowl

[slacker00]

people say that same nonsense every year. and do you know how many times out of the last 6 years the nfc team with home field advantage went to the super bowl? ONE, and that took an overtime victory by the saints...

When has anyone won @SEA or @NO in the playoffs? Both are unbeaten in their last 5 home playoff games.

We aren't talking about going to GB, ATL, SF, etc. SEA and NO have a decisive advantage at home.

[Big Bear]

I think we might've seen the Super Bowl preview game yesterday.

this is Coiner Sharpest post in a long time

[milwaukee mike]

When has anyone won @SEA or @NO in the playoffs? Both are unbeaten in their last 5 home playoff games.

We aren't talking about going to GB, ATL, SF, etc. SEA and NO have a decisive advantage at home.

it's easier to see after the fact who are the good home teams. 3 of those 5 playoff games for the saints were decided by 3 points, so it could quite easily be a different story. and go back a little further and they are 5-3 at home...

why would going to new orleans for a playoff game be any harder than going to lambeau in sub-zero temperatures? just a statistical anomaly that the saints are 5-0 in their last 5, nothing even close to total dominance.

Playoff Game Log

2011 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 7	boxscore	W			Detroit Lions	45	28	34	626	459	167	2	22	412	380	32	2	37.12	-18.92	-0.82
Division	Sat	January 14	boxscore	L		@	San Francisco 49ers	32	36	26	472	435	37	5	17	407	264	143	1	10.46	-0.42	-14.14
2010 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 8	boxscore	L		@	Seattle Seahawks	36	41	32	474	397	77	1	19	415	265	150	1	13.16	-13.99	-4.70
2009 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 16	boxscore	W			Arizona Cardinals	45	14	27	418	247	171		15	359	258	101	2	19.18	1.40	9.90
ConfChamp	Sun	January 24	boxscore	W	OT		Minnesota Vikings	31	28	15	257	189	68	1	31	475	310	165	5	2.59	-6.36	6.82
SuperBowl	Sun	February 7	boxscore	W		N	Indianapolis Colts	31	17	20	332	281	51		23	432	333	99	1	10.15	-5.82	8.82
2006 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 13	boxscore	W			Philadelphia Eagles	27	24	27	435	227	208	1	14	355	232	123		12.41	-10.79	-0.50
ConfChamp	Sun	January 21	boxscore	L		@	Chicago Bears	14	39	15	375	319	56	4	18	340	144	196		-11.45	-3.01	-12.26
2000 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	December 30	boxscore	W			St. Louis Rams	31	28	17	301	251	50	2	17	384	350	34	5	2.53	2.07	2.52
Division	Sat	January 6	boxscore	L		@	Minnesota Vikings	16	34	19	355	286	69	2	18	429	302	127		0.88	-17.80	-1.93
1992 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 3	boxscore	L			Philadelphia Eagles	20	36	20	360	284	76	4	19	349	213	136	1
1991 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	December 28	boxscore	L			Atlanta Falcons	20	27	23	330	265	65	3	20	334	255	79	2
1990 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 6	boxscore	L		@	Chicago Bears	6	16	11	193	128	65	3	18	365	176	189	1
1987 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 3	boxscore	L			Minnesota Vikings	10	44	9	149	96	53	6	28	417	207	210	2

[bobby heenan]

You do know that before spygate happened...that most teams pulled the same crap. There was no rule against observing another team's practice. When Mangini left New England, he made a big stink about it because quite frankly he was bitter about leaving New England and wanted nothing more to stick it to Bill. Not to mention you are an idiot to think that Brady is the most overrated athlete in professional sports. You are also discredited by saying that the Chiefs are IYO better than the Pats, they have had the easiest sched in the NFL thus far this year and have hardly been tested by any means.

cant even remember all the former coaches and players who said they did the same stuff......the pats filmed GAMES from a location that was not allowed....and most said you couldnt really do that much with what you would gather from it anyway.....people act like the patriots were filming everyones practices every week and bugging their meeting rooms(at the other teams own facilities)

"In 2012, nearly five years removed from the incident, former Jets head coach Eric Mangini stated that "I think when you look at the history of success that [the Patriots] had after that incident, it’s pretty obvious that it didn’t play any type of significant role in the victories [the Patriots] had or the success that [the Patriots] had."^[17] As of the conclusion of the 2011 NFL season, the Patriots had the best record in the NFL since Spygate, compiling a 48-16 record from 2008-11 (the Pittsburgh Steelers and New Orleans Saints were second best over that span at 45-19)"

[milwaukee mike]

^^ ah, the old "we cheated but so did everyone else, and it didn't do any good anyway" argument.

[Bbfromgpt]

Packers are better than the Saints anyway, especially on the road.

This might be the dumbest statement ever typed on SBR

[Bbfromgpt]

Packers are better than the Saints anyway, especially on the road.

there isn't a team in the nfl better than the saints on the road since 2009. Best road record.

[broadway6]

No Seattle? They may have home field through the NFC playoffs. If so, they are the NFC favs.

Who can be this years ravens?

[Bbfromgpt]

it's easier to see after the fact who are the good home teams. 3 of those 5 playoff games for the saints were decided by 3 points, so it could quite easily be a different story. and go back a little further and they are 5-3 at home...

why would going to new orleans for a playoff game be any harder than going to lambeau in sub-zero temperatures? just a statistical anomaly that the saints are 5-0 in their last 5, nothing even close to total dominance.

Playoff Game Log

2011 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 7	boxscore	W			Detroit Lions	45	28	34	626	459	167	2	22	412	380	32	2	37.12	-18.92	-0.82
Division	Sat	January 14	boxscore	L		@	San Francisco 49ers	32	36	26	472	435	37	5	17	407	264	143	1	10.46	-0.42	-14.14
2010 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	January 8	boxscore	L		@	Seattle Seahawks	36	41	32	474	397	77	1	19	415	265	150	1	13.16	-13.99	-4.70
2009 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 16	boxscore	W			Arizona Cardinals	45	14	27	418	247	171		15	359	258	101	2	19.18	1.40	9.90
ConfChamp	Sun	January 24	boxscore	W	OT		Minnesota Vikings	31	28	15	257	189	68	1	31	475	310	165	5	2.59	-6.36	6.82
SuperBowl	Sun	February 7	boxscore	W		N	Indianapolis Colts	31	17	20	332	281	51		23	432	333	99	1	10.15	-5.82	8.82
2006 Playoffs
Division	Sat	January 13	boxscore	W			Philadelphia Eagles	27	24	27	435	227	208	1	14	355	232	123		12.41	-10.79	-0.50
ConfChamp	Sun	January 21	boxscore	L		@	Chicago Bears	14	39	15	375	319	56	4	18	340	144	196		-11.45	-3.01	-12.26
2000 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	December 30	boxscore	W			St. Louis Rams	31	28	17	301	251	50	2	17	384	350	34	5	2.53	2.07	2.52
Division	Sat	January 6	boxscore	L		@	Minnesota Vikings	16	34	19	355	286	69	2	18	429	302	127		0.88	-17.80	-1.93
1992 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 3	boxscore	L			Philadelphia Eagles	20	36	20	360	284	76	4	19	349	213	136	1
1991 Playoffs
WildCard	Sat	December 28	boxscore	L			Atlanta Falcons	20	27	23	330	265	65	3	20	334	255	79	2
1990 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 6	boxscore	L		@	Chicago Bears	6	16	11	193	128	65	3	18	365	176	189	1
1987 Playoffs
WildCard	Sun	January 3	boxscore	L			Minnesota Vikings	10	44	9	149	96	53	6	28	417	207	210	2

New Orleans is the second hardest place to play in the entire league

[bobby heenan]

^^ ah, the old "we cheated but so did everyone else, and it didn't do any good anyway" argument.

They broke a rule of where they can have some 25 year old video production intern stand and point a camera. Doesn’t kick 45 yard field goals in snow storms, doesn’t shut down Peyton’s Colts, doesn’t force turnovers, doesn’t return punts, and smart teams who understood that signals could be stolen with or without a camera routinely changed signals as preventative measure. It’s why virtually all NFL coaches from Bill Cowher to Jimmy Johnson and others have never blown up “spygate” like ESPN and the fans who were left in the Patriots’ wake have over the past decade. Those coaches have vehemently downplayed the significance of what happened and Jimmy Johnson went so far as to admit that he too did the same thing. A guy that won 2 Super Bowls with the Cowboys says he did it and no one cares because you are all too obsessed with the New England Patriots continued greatness. Love it.

[milwaukee mike]

They broke a rule of where they can have some 25 year old video production intern stand and point a camera. Doesn’t kick 45 yard field goals in snow storms, doesn’t shut down Peyton’s Colts, doesn’t force turnovers, doesn’t return punts, and smart teams who understood that signals could be stolen with or without a camera routinely changed signals as preventative measure. It’s why virtually all NFL coaches from Bill Cowher to Jimmy Johnson and others have never blown up “spygate” like ESPN and the fans who were left in the Patriots’ wake have over the past decade. Those coaches have vehemently downplayed the significance of what happened and Jimmy Johnson went so far as to admit that he too did the same thing. A guy that won 2 Super Bowls with the Cowboys says he did it and no one cares because you are all too obsessed with the New England Patriots continued greatness. Love it.

if it was no big deal why did the patriots get the largest punishment in the history of the nfl?

what is the patriots playoff record with belicheck before spygate, and after spygate?

[slacker00]

why would going to new orleans for a playoff game be any harder than going to lambeau in sub-zero temperatures?

Cold weather neutralizes passing. That's why Rodgers and Peyton will get less benefit to being at home in January.

[bobby heenan]

if it was no big deal why did the patriots get the largest punishment in the history of the nfl?

what is the patriots playoff record with belicheck before spygate, and after spygate?

well they did film from the sidelines...which was forbidden.....it would take alot for them to take that footage and put it to use during said game.....but im sure the anti patriots wahoos will have figured out a way for it to work....

so the patriots have lost playoff games...in a perfect world they would win every game they ever played....especially in the age of "parity"......look at some of you people...its as if you really expect the patriots to never lose in the playoffs....no one should even try...i guess thats a testament to the bar that they have set

[milwaukee mike]

"New Orleans is the second hardest place to play in the entire league"

that is such a random statement that has no facts to back it up. over a 10-year stretch through 2012 the saints were 45-37 on the road and 46-37 at home, so it must not be as hard as you think if the saints have the same record at home and on the road...

[slacker00]

if it was no big deal why did the patriots get the largest punishment in the history of the nfl?

what is the patriots playoff record with belicheck before spygate, and after spygate?

The punishment was because NFL warned the Pats and they did it anyway. NFL front office had it's hands tied.

Belichick is 5-5 since spygate, a record that most NFL franchises would love to have.

[bobby heenan]

if it was no big deal why did the patriots get the largest punishment in the history of the nfl?

what is the patriots playoff record with belicheck before spygate, and after spygate?

its actually funny....today i see, in other places, people still taking digs at the pats

some even going as far as to say "look at solder getting away with a choke hold on the last play....wheres the flag"...blah blah

then i look at this picture and all i think about is how you hear "brady choked...the pats choked hahaha"

[milwaukee mike]

heenan, people take digs at every team, that's the nature of fans.

you probably see more digs at the patriots because you are looking at them/for them.

i hear mostly comments about the packers because that is the nature of the milwaukee area...

[InTheDrink]

any team with a .500 record or above and a white QB have a chance right now

sweeper unrale

[sneakerhead]

The ONLY way I'd take New England to win the SB is if I was getting 40-1 or better. This Pats team isn't that good, Brady is the most over rated QB or athlete to ever play professional sports (not saying he's not good, because he is, but he's no where near the top 5 QB's ever). He needed elite defenses, tuck rules, last second field goals, spygate, etc. to win. Since those things ceased to exist, the Pats have 0 rings, and more losses in the playoffs than wins. New England has been the luckiest team in football this year, and has no business being 5-1. Peyton Manning is a real life wizard, and I just don't see how anyone can not consider him the best ever. He brought a Colts team to the playoffs and 12+ wins almost every season, and he usually had a bad defense. If people were to dig deeper, they'd realize Brady never plays well against elite competition, and although Manning has made some bad plays in the playoffs, he never had the teams or even close to the defense the Pats had. Since spygate he's done absolutely nothing, and I'm sure that a lot of QB's could pull off wins when you've taped your opponents practices and know their EXACT game

You are an absolute idiot and I mean we see a lot of Payton dik riders here but they usually don't go this far. While I agree, this year patriots are not that good and are a bit lucky to be 5-1. I won't get into the Super Bowl debate, there are many other teams who I would pick this year to win than patriots but they are still contenders based on injuries and such.

People keep bringing up spy gate and how because of spygate patriots were good. You guys do know that after spyware they are like 80-24 or something and still have one of the best records. They have won five division titles out of six and have gone to two Super Bowls. Their defense hasn't been great in the past few years either as you claim so.

So what is your point? His record post spygate isn't good enough? Which other team had similar success?

[InTheDrink]

"New Orleans is the second hardest place to play in the entire league"

that is such a random statement that has no facts to back it up. over a 10-year stretch through 2012 the saints were 45-37 on the road and 46-37 at home, so it must not be as hard as you think if the saints have the same record at home and on the road...

maybe the first "hardest" place to play is where they're playing on the road on that given week...then his statement would be backed up

[JabooFootball]

Packers are better than the Saints anyway, especially on the road.

??? absolutely not

[JabooFootball]

Did someone just say the patriots punishment was greater than the saints punishment for bountygate.

omfg.

[bobby heenan]

heenan, people take digs at every team, that's the nature of fans.

you probably see more digs at the patriots because you are looking at them/for them.

i hear mostly comments about the packers because that is the nature of the milwaukee area...

cmon man....lets be real...sure you can go anywhere and hear digs at your favorite team...but the pats are one of the most hated teams in sports...people hate us and our fans....you can go on any non local based site...like here...profootballtalk....and everytime you do youll hear a bunch of retards talking about spygate or some other bullshit about how brady or belichick suck.....youll hear a bunch of people say brady is nothing without belichick....then youll hear another group who say belichick is nothing without brady...it happens everyday

[slacker00]

3 points, so it could quite easily be a different story

Apply your logic to the Pats and they have 2 rings since spygate.

[JabooFootball]

cmon man....lets be real...sure you can go anywhere and hear digs at your favorite team...but the pats are one of the most hated teams in sports...people hate us and our fans....you can go on any non local based site...like here...profootballtalk....and everytime you do youll hear a bunch of retards talking about spygate or some other bullshit about how brady or belichick suck.....youll hear a bunch of people say brady is nothing without belichick....then youll hear another group who say belichick is nothing without brady...it happens everyday

People hate successful teams. Its been this way forever. Imagine being a Miami Heat fan.

[bobby heenan]

People hate successful teams. Its been this way forever. Imagine being a Miami Heat fan.

i understand...and that was my point
thats why i thought it was stupid for mike to say that pats hate only exists because im looking for it

they beat the saints and everyone is crying about how the saints handed them the game....and people are crying about a non holding call on solder....nobody cries when the giants dont get flagged for blatant holding on a miracle play though

[KingJD31]

Jets Steelers are in the same conference, can't happen

I think we might've seen the Super Bowl preview game yesterday.

[YOUNGBUCK]

I hate the Patriots as I am a Bills fan but Brady is the best qb of all time IMO and why does everyone talk Ab his elite defenses they had a WR playing Corner..... And why does no one mention Peyton having two Hall of Fame Caliber receivers compared to David Patten and Deon Branch or Troy Brown, Or 70 year old Antwan Smith vs The Edge

[bobby heenan]

I hate the Patriots as I am a Bills fan but Brady is the best qb of all time IMO and why does everyone talk Ab his elite defenses they had a WR playing Corner..... And why does no one mention Peyton having two Hall of Fame Caliber receivers compared to David Patten and Deon Branch or Troy Brown, Or 70 year old Antwan Smith vs The Edge

and what do you know....peytons wr corps isnt to shabby this time around too....

but of course...toms success with the likes of patten, givens, troy brown can only be explained by elite defenses and cheating

[l7ustin]

Pre season i had Seahawks Broncos I see no reason to get off them now.

[Emancipator]

If your going to include the Donkeys then you need to put my Queef's on there as well. We've played five of the six opponents the Broncos have played and are unbeaten just like the Broncos ... just sayin

[milwaukee mike]

i understand...and that was my point
thats why i thought it was stupid for mike to say that pats hate only exists because im looking for it

they beat the saints and everyone is crying about how the saints handed them the game....and people are crying about a non holding call on solder....nobody cries when the giants dont get flagged for blatant holding on a miracle play though

and I thought it was stupid that you referred to the patriots as "us". but we move on

[bobby heenan]

and I thought it was stupid that you referred to the patriots as "us". but we move on

bob kraft told us "tonight we are all Patriots" once...so i ran with it

[milwaukee mike]

bob kraft told us "tonight we are all Patriots" once...so i ran with it

fair enough, and I have stock in the packers so I guess I "own" the team, even though I can never get a dividend, make a decision, sell my stock, etc .

[pavyracer]

My sleeper Superbowl is Lions - Dolphins. Two teams everyone is bypassing.