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  • fearless
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    • 08-14-06
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    Breaking News: States declaring sovereignty is upped to 20
    Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty Obama's $1 trillion deficit-spending 'stimulus plan' seen as last straw By Jerome R. Corsi, February 06, 2009

    NEW YORK – As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.

    So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

    Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

    "What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.

    "Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute.

    "This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said.

    "A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added.

    The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported.

    Rollback federal authority

    The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment.

    The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress.

    Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding.

    In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan).

    Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959.

    "We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND.

    "State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending."

    Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example."

    "In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible."

    Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values.

    Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights."

    "The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said.

    Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition.

    "The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said.

    Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure.

    "We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted.
  • pavyracer
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    • 04-12-07
    • 82897

    #2
    Is this good or bad?
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    • fearless
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      • 08-14-06
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      #3
      Whichever state actually declares sovereignty is where I want to move. I want freedom back.
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      • MonkeyF0cker
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        • 06-12-07
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        #4
        Wow. What a spinjob that is...
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        • fearless
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          • 08-14-06
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          #5
          Originally posted by pavyracer
          Is this good or bad?
          Let's see. The federal government is destroying the economy, destroying education, destroying medicine, obliterating freedom, carrying on illegal invasions... And you ask this?
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          • fearless
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            • 08-14-06
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            #6
            Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
            Wow. What a spinjob that is...
            What are you talking about?
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            • MonkeyF0cker
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              • 06-12-07
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              #7
              Uhh. It's blatant Republican propaganda.
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              • fearless
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                • 08-14-06
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                #8
                Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                Uhh. It's blatant Republican propaganda.
                How do you know who wrote this article? The people quoted are talking about the congress which has been democrat controlled for years.
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                • smitch124
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                  • 05-19-08
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                  #9
                  where was it reported?
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                  • pavyracer
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                    • 04-12-07
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                    #10
                    I still don't understand what benefit this is to the USA.
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                    • tacomax
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                      • 08-10-05
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by fearless
                      How do you know who wrote this article?
                      It's from WorldNetDaily, known for it's distinct conservative lean. The website is plastered with Ann Coulter adverts.
                      Originally posted by pags11
                      SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                      Originally posted by BuddyBear
                      I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                      Originally posted by curious
                      taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                      • fearless
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                        • 08-14-06
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by smitch124
                        where was it reported?
                        I just searched google and shame on me for not checking the source before I posted this.



                        worldnetdaily isn't considered to be the most reliable news outlet but I believe this article is true. I've read other things that lead me to believe this article is true.
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                        • btraband
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                          • 09-05-08
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                          #13
                          like Braveheart said,.................."freedom!"
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                          • Hotdiggity11
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                            • 01-09-09
                            • 4916

                            #14
                            Originally posted by fearless
                            How do you know who wrote this article? The people quoted are talking about the congress which has been democrat controlled for years.



                            It was written by Jerome Corsi [Semi-well known right-wing conspiracy theorist and writer] and featured on World Net Daily, an online right-wing rag.
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                            • MonkeyF0cker
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                              • 06-12-07
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by fearless
                              How do you know who wrote this article? The people quoted are talking about the congress which has been democrat controlled for years.
                              If you can't tell by simply reading the article then you are either thinly informed as a constituent or need to take a college level communications course. And FYI, a Republican Congress and President Bush were responsible for the largest government expansion in American history. The Democrats didn't control Congress until the later few years of Bush's eight years as President. It's hysterical that someone would attempt to put the onus on "Obama's stimulus package" unless, of course, you are completely uninformed or warped by perpetual propaganda such as this nonsense.
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                              • pavyracer
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                                • 04-12-07
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                                #16
                                So I just wasted my time reading right wing conspiracy theories? No wonder this country goes two steps back and one step forward.
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                                • Hotdiggity11
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                                  • 01-09-09
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                                  So I just wasted my time reading right wing conspiracy theories? No wonder this country goes two steps back and one step forward.



                                  Pretty much, I would believe a story of this importance would probably reach somewhere other than Jerome Corsi and a right-wing rag if it had any real truth to it.
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                                  • donjuan
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                                    • 08-29-07
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                                    #18
                                    Good lord. It appears Fearless is just as clueless and gullible when it comes to things outside of sports betting too.
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                                    • tacomax
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                                      • 08-10-05
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                                      #19
                                      Fearless - quick question. Ever delivered pizzas?
                                      Originally posted by pags11
                                      SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                      Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                      I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                      Originally posted by curious
                                      taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                      • fearless
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by tacomax
                                        Fearless - quick question. Ever delivered pizzas?
                                        Why am I answering such a ridiculous question? No.
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                                        • AgainstAllOdds
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                                          • 02-24-08
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                                          #21
                                          Wasnt this guys name once "RainbowFag" or something like that?


                                          Stop with the bullshit.
                                          Originally posted by SBR_John
                                          AAO = good dude. Buying you a drink in Vegas buddy.
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                                          • reno cool
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                                            • 07-02-08
                                            • 3567

                                            #22
                                            I don't get it. I don't even understand why states would be opposed to govt spending. They usually have their hands out.
                                            bird bird da bird's da word
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                                            • fiveteamer
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                                              • 04-14-08
                                              • 10805

                                              #23
                                              fearless is a good poster, he did all those poster of the year polls.
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                                              • tacomax
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                                                • 08-10-05
                                                • 9619

                                                #24
                                                I didn't win so that makes him a cunt.
                                                Originally posted by pags11
                                                SBR would never get rid of me...ever...
                                                Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                I'd probably most likely chose Pags to jack off too.
                                                Originally posted by curious
                                                taco is not a troll, he is a bubonic plague bacteria.
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                                                • fiveteamer
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 04-14-08
                                                  • 10805

                                                  #25
                                                  LOLZ

                                                  f'kin tacomax.
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