JJ Gold Has Been Back For One Week...What Have We Learned?

[The Kraken]

The posters that backed Betislands ran awayI blame them

They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

SBR NEVER DID

Plenty of companies take add money from companies that go bankrupt and steal money

It happens everyday

SBR never backed BI?

STFU

SBR backed BI when they allowed them to be affiliates , when they allowed BI to be the main sponsor of the bash, when they gave them numerous upgrades in ratings to a B+, when a mod said he would trust his money there.

Im not blaming SBR in any way for what happened but to SBR did not back BI is completely false and borderline moronic, JJ.

[jjgold]

Certain people won over 75K there

Most posters were posting up $300-$500

Do the math..horrible people lost money but many players just have no clue what makes a good sportsbook

[jjgold]

sbr never backed bi?

Stfu

sbr backed bi when they allowed them to be affiliates , when they allowed bi to be the main sponsor of the bash, when they gave them numerous upgrades in ratings to a b+, when a mod said he would trust his money there.

Im not blaming sbr in any way but to sbr did not back bi is completely false and borderline moronic, jj.

sbr never begged posters to post up

read please

posters voted it high

[Fishhead]

fish why must you go so far out of your way to appear elite? If you are, so be it. let it be. But you do this on all fronts. You make sure we know you dine at the fanciest restaraunts, have valuable farmland, have won millions on slots, would trust certain posters with six figure balances of your money, post at the elite or big time forums, are a top tier member at most casinos in vegas, are banned or limited at most offshore books etc etc etc blah blah blah.

Im torn on how I'd react if we ever meet. I'd probably get along with you well as we have a lot in common but a small part of me would resent you for being so boisterous all the fukking time.

Because since day 11 or 12 posting(late 90's), you have hundreds of internet forum goons not believing many things related to gamblin or making assumptions about you...................then you try and explain and/or aid them in winning or giving them simple clues on how to win, and they take it as bragging or bullshitting, again, and especially these days, SBR, RX, EOG are comedy and/or facebook type forums............but I still enjoy all three, as stated.........good for laughs, seeing old friends, and picking up an occasional nugget...........................oh, and many times I post just to piss people off, especially the stiffs and wannabe freeloaders.

[The Kraken]

Stop with the posters JJ. We're not discussing them. I'm aware people shilled for BI bit that is independent of SBR backing BI. They are exclusive.

There are plenty of other ways to back a book other than beg posters to post up.

[billysink]

Fukks still trying to get blood out of a fukkin turnip.

Keep lookin in the rearview mirror at some shit happened can't a fukk anywhere fix.

Way bigger problems out in front boys.

Way.

[jjgold]

Many posters have no clue what makes good sportsbook

They see free money and think its a WINNER

People lose money at banks and brokerages all the time that were touted highly on major networks

It happens

get over it

[jjgold]

Problem with many people in life is they play the blame game

That does nothing

BLAME YOURSELF

[The Kraken]

Get over losing more than $10k? easier said than done.

But trust me I have. I wrote those losses off last year as "business losses".

But please don't come here selling the bullshit that SBR did not back or promote BI because they sure as fukk did. I don't even know how someone can say that with a straight face.

[billysink]

Many posters have no clue what makes good sportsbook

They see free money and think its a WINNER

People lose money at banks and brokerages all the time that were touted highly on major networks

It happens

get over it

The whole industry is prone to trying to make chikken salad out of birdshit. Without the C- books this industry would not exist on a level 99% of this board's participants could be involved. If you are a US player you are fukkin done whichever side of the coin you play on.

Give and take. Take and give.

[Fishhead]

Many posters have no clue what makes good sportsbook

They see free money and think its a WINNER

People lose money at banks and brokerages all the time that were touted highly on major networks

It happens

get over it

CNBC does it weekly and it involves a little bit more money than I believe what EOG,SBR,RX attempts to profit from on a yearly basis with the numerous shady practices they perform...............having said that, condolences should be in order for anyone scammed or stiffed ANY AMOUNT of money, even though at many times they probably should have been extremely more cautious.

[pavyracer]

The old JJ "the dancing bear" GOLD is back boys!

[Fishhead]

Problem with many people in life is they play the blame game

That does nothing

BLAME YOURSELF

In the majority of cases, you're right..........but in many cases this is not true..................for Gawdsakes, show some compassion for those that got raked over the coals, you're pissing people off that have lost loads of money to stiff operations offshore.

[jjgold]

The savvy bettors got out of betislands months before

They saw the writing on the wall and saw BI had horrible business practices

I would think you had to play there to really know..i never did..had no interest in the book and did not pay much attention to the whole BI run

Fisher gambling is risky period especially in CR and anyone with big balances anywhere is flat out DUMB

Lets feel bad for soldiers that got hurt or died in wars

[The Kraken]

Problem with many people in life is they play the blame game

That does nothing

BLAME YOURSELF

I hope this isn't directed at me as I clearly said in a previous post that I do not blame SBR.

However, the players were the victims JJ. Way to blame the victims JJ.

Blame themselves

go fukk yourself baldy

[pavyracer]

JJ was wined and dined by SSLP many times to stay quiet. Now he plays the dumb card giving us advice.

[Fishhead]

The savvy bettors got out of betislands months before

They saw the writing on the wall and saw BI had horrible business practices

I would think you had to play there to really know..i never did..had no interest in the book and did not pay much attention to the whole BI run

Yes, the majority did.........still many savvy one's got raked because they couldn't get their large balances out soon enough.................but agree, the majority of the savvy one's playing there got out before the door caved in.

[jjgold]

Krackles anyone playing at an unknown book with hefty balances is dumb

Maybe it is their faults

[billysink]

Anyone involved in this game at a level even worth worrying about a shop shut can only point the finger at the guy in the mirror.

Can't point fingers when your feet are deeper in the dirt than your hand is in your fukkin pocket.

This is SBR not the FDIC and the library of congress.

Weak, weak arguments here on both sides.

[The Kraken]

JJ let me bring this back to point as we seem to wondering a bit. I'm not saying SBR is solely to blame (although they do have some to share) and Im not saying that we are absolved of some blame ourselves, especially those of us that had "hefty" balances.

But that's all strawman talk to avoid your original quote that SBR did not back BI, which is 100% incorrect.

I could argue with you on almost every point up. You lost no money so it's easy to sit on the sidelines and say its the players to blame, not SBR or even BI, as you insinuate. But that the blame falls on the players. This coming from "the players advocate" and the face of the industry watchdog you can't make this shit up.

[Fishhead]

Anyone involved in this game at a level even worth worrying about a shop shut can only point the finger at the guy in the mirror.

Can't point fingers when your feet are deeper in the dirt than your hand is in your fukkin pocket.

This is SBR not the FDIC and the library of congress.

Weak, weak arguments here on both sides.

Yes.....................any experienced forum and/or offshore bettor knows the risk, and has nobody to blame but themselves....................and there are thousands at EOG, RX, SBR combined that fit that criteria, no question about it.

[mbs4]

Get over losing more than $10k? easier said than done.

But trust me I have. I wrote those losses off last year as "business losses".

But please don't come here selling the bullshit that SBR did not back or promote BI because they sure as fukk did. I don't even know how someone can say that with a straight face.

Did you actually lose $10k or did you deposit a few hundred and run it up by taking advantage of soft lines, free half points, etc?

[jjgold]

Krackles your reading my post wrong
I know Betislands had banner HERE
I meant SBR never begged posters ..its right in next line!!

They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

SBR NEVER DID


The posters that backed Betislands ran awayI blame them

They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

SBR NEVER DID

Plenty of companies take add money from companies that go bankrupt and steal money

It happens everyday

[The Kraken]

Anyone involved in this game at a level even worth worrying about a shop shut can only point the finger at the guy in the mirror.

Can't point fingers when your feet are deeper in the dirt than your hand is in your fukkin pocket.

This is SBR not the FDIC and the library of congress.

Weak, weak arguments here on both sides.

That's not entirely true. There is some blame to go around here on all sides. Trust me I understand personal accountability here and I've since learned and made adjustments. Even though SBR is not the FDIC, they're the self proclaimed industry watchdog and John had profited handsomely off of that moniker, so there is certainly some amount of responsibility they must take when a book they constantly bumped up in rating all the way to calling them a book with very low risks of playing there goes belly up and stiffs a lot of people that paid their $200 yearly fee to John. Billy , this is all déjà vu and Im done. Nothing new will surface nor be said. As JJ correctly said, it's in the past time to move on.

[The Kraken]

Did you actually lose $10k or did you deposit a few hundred and run it up by taking advantage of soft lines, free half points, etc?

Was the money I won not actually my money?

[The Kraken]

Krackles your reading my post wrong
I know Betislands had banner HERE
I meant SBR never begged posters ..its right in next line!!

They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

SBR NEVER DID


The posters that backed Betislands ran awayI blame them

They begged posters to post up, they voted it high

SBR NEVER DID

Plenty of companies take add money from companies that go bankrupt and steal money

It happens everyday

Agree to disagree :cheers :

back to phys chem

[mbs4]

Was the money I won not actually my money?

It was but I think the point that some are trying to make is that everyone was doing that so it should have been obvious that they were going under. Hindsight is 20/20 I know but you live and you learn.

[jjgold]

Good points by all

We all have opinions

Here is lesson men.....dont have big balances at books....of course places like Bookmaker and 5 Dimes you can have more compared to smaller books

I am sure SBR and players learned lessons

I just get ticked at guys having big balances at books

[billysink]

Yes.....................any experienced forum and/or offshore bettor knows the risk, and has nobody to blame but themselves....................and there are thousands at EOG, RX, SBR combined that fit that criteria, no question about it.

Fish it is pretty easy, having never met folk here, to see who has run game in their time and who has been run over gaming.

[Fishhead]

It was but I think the point that some are trying to make is that everyone was doing that so it should have been obvious that they were going under. Hindsight is 20/20 I know but you live and you learn.

Not everyone, sent 3 of 4 deposits to B.I. and lost them all......................they needed a few hundred more like me.

[Fishhead]

Good points by all

We all have opinions

Here is lesson men.....dont have big balances at books....of course places like Bookmaker and 5 Dimes you can have more compared to smaller books

I am sure SBR and players learned lessons

I just get ticked at guys having big balances at books

What are you, a rookie???.................it's unavoidable at times.

[billysink]

What are you, a rookie???.................it's unavoidable at times.

Not a lot of people understand that. They can't see the big picture only their own issues. Perhaps it is better that way because most wouldn't understand.

Take your laptop with a big out up on the screen in the middle of the neighborhood put it down on a streetcorner. Step back 20 paces. Also be prepared someone bout to jack the laptop. That is the big picture.

Go back in the house pull up your account in the basement. Be prepared to have your shit jacked here too. That is your picture


You got your little picture all jammed up with someone elses big money picture. You no longer have your balls in your own hand do you boys.

If you did not have that figured out before posting up or buying your shitty little line than fukk can SBR do for you?

[daneblazer]

http://calvinayre.com/2012/12/19/business/betislands-sportsbook-collapse-an-expensive-lesson-for-bettors/

BetIslands’ failure is particularly galling for the SBR brain trust, who are being called every name in the book by irate bettors left holding empty stockings this Christmas, especially since SBR upgraded the sportsbook to a ‘B’ rating in November 2011 after BetIslands “verified their backing,” which SBR argued was proof of their “financial security.” For the record, there’s no evidence to suggest anything like the BetED/Covers fiasco, in which BetEd took the fall even through the Covers’ boys are widely presumed to have been BetEd’s beneficial owners via a lucrative revenue sharing deal with their former #1 recommended sportsbook. Regardless, it’s a sobering reminder that trust is that rarest of commodities, difficult to obtain and even harder to regain once it’s been lost.

[CoachJB]

The savvy bettors got out of betislands months before

They saw the writing on the wall and saw BI had horrible business practices

I would think you had to play there to really know..i never did..had no interest in the book and did not pay much attention to the whole BI run

Fisher gambling is risky period especially in CR and anyone with big balances anywhere is flat out DUMB

Lets feel bad for soldiers that got hurt or died in wars

This is why anyone with a brain bets on credit only. I have big balances everywhere and don't lose a wink of sleep at night, good agents everywhere. Posting up offshore is an absolute joke I can't believe people still do it, mind boggling.

[jjgold]

This is why anyone with a brain bets on credit only. I have big balances everywhere and don't lose a wink of sleep at night, good agents everywhere. Posting up offshore is an absolute joke I can't believe people still do it, mind boggling.

Pretty solid post there JB

Credit business is flourishing