Pitt's secondary and Ike Taylor?

ryanspeer2001 · 01-20-09, 10:09 PM

Ike Taylor is a sick player no doubt and it must be nice having such a great safety curtain built around him. It also helped that alot of teams tried to run against the Stillers and well.....that didn't work out too well either.

Chi_archie · 01-20-09, 10:18 PM

you are right... Ike is a specimen and he's learned alot since he came into the league from a nothing school

but having Troy and Ryan Clark back there knocking heads off doesn't hurt...
having a d-line and lb corp that produced 50+ sacks doesn't hurt....

Clark as we saw against willis on sunday...is a bit of a head hunter and not the clean-est of players.... but neither were alot of the great safeties in history..... think zona receivers won't think about some of these hits when they come across the middle?

purecarnagge · 01-20-09, 10:20 PM

Steelers secondary is suspect...there front 7 is what makes the defense...sure they have Troy back up there covering up peoples mistakes, but if they aren't getting to warner, that means its man vs man coverage and the cardinals will make them pay

Shortstop · 01-20-09, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by purecarnagge

Steelers secondary is suspect...there front 7 is what makes the defense...sure they have Troy back up there covering up peoples mistakes, but if they aren't getting to warner, that means its man vs man coverage and the cardinals will make them pay

WOW !!!

ryanspeer2001 · 01-20-09, 10:23 PM

I think the Steelers D is a fair bit better than suspect but they are by no means legendary. While I personally will not be able to watch the Superbowl the only element I really wanted to see was how the steel curtain handles that Zona offense.

Chi_archie · 01-20-09, 10:28 PM

PC,

did you not just read how Ike Taylor fared against other great receivers?

he's not too shabby...

it wasn't just because of the front 7 that the steelers led the league in pass defense....

look up the steelers numbers when it comes to how many long plays teams have made against the steelers its sick.....

and let's just say the front 7 is the only reason for the steelers success against the pass and it has nothing to do with the secondary's talent or dick lebeu's schemes.....

IT WORKS....its worked for 18 games why is zona gonna be the team to put an end to that domination? is their O-line that great? do they have answers that other teams haven't for Harrison and Woodley on their o-line?

i've just yet to be convinced by anyone why Arizona will be the team to do this,... could they? yeah sure..

but I don't see it that as being more then 49% probable... the more probable thing to happen is that the steelers continue to play like they have against the toughest schedule in the league and more probable outcome is arizona reverts back to their medocre performance

ryanspeer2001 · 01-20-09, 10:34 PM

I'm willing to be wrong here but usually a D and O that match up the D usually succeeds a bit more. I think Arizona's O will be a big test for the Steelers but it is just another test in a series of many the Steelers have faced and conquered. Being this is football anything can happen and personally I'd love to see Taylor or any of those Steelers D-backs power bomb Fitzgerald for how he ran all over my birds.

The Seer · 01-20-09, 10:40 PM

That's all moot point since Fitzgerald is better than all of them and Asante Samuel is better than Taylor.

Panic · 01-20-09, 10:46 PM

Harrison gets to Warner and that is ballgame. Fitz is great but cant catch the ball if no one throws it to him.

Chi_archie · 01-20-09, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Panic

Harrison gets to Warner and that is ballgame. Fitz is great but cant catch the ball if no one throws it to him.

did the steelers actually knock out any qb's this year?

PyreLight · 01-20-09, 11:23 PM

Wow great points.....we all know Fitz and Boldin are nothing compared to the great Justin Gage and Derrick Mason.....Pitts secondary has NOTHING to worry about. Especially with that joke Kurt Warner throwing the ball, whats he ever done. Man you've eased my mind, ONE TRILLION DOLLARS ON PITT!!!!

Chi_archie · 01-20-09, 11:41 PM

plaxico, randy moss, wes welker,Reggie Wayne, andre johnson (led the league with 1575 yards by the way) Terrell Owens, Chad Johnson,Marvin Harrison, TJ Housmanzadeh, Braylon Edwards, Deshean Jackson, are not too shabby at all

oh yeah and Vincent Jackson had more yards then the great Anquon Bolden and Derrick mason had 1 yard less then Bolden......so let's not pretend like Bolden is better then everyone

don't fall for the hype...Bolden since December has averaged 4.5 catches and 53 yards per game.....

let me repeat another stat..

All # 1 receivers including all the pro-bowlers listed above

avg 4.6 receptions 47 yards and a touchdown roughly once every 21 quarters ( 3 total td's)

Scorpion · 01-21-09, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

Ike who?
the best kept secret in football apparently

how did the steelers and Ike fare against #1 receivers this year?

in only 6 out of 16 games were a team's #1 wr able to lead their team in yards.

how many of these #1 receivers caught TD's against the steelers????

answer: 3; Reggie Wayne, Terrell Owens, and Justin Gage all caught one apiece

how many had 100+ yard games???
answer: 3; Andre Johnson 112 week 1, Derrick Mason 137 week 4, Justin Gage 104 week 16

what did the avg # 1 wr do statistically over the course of the season?

4.6 receptions
47.375 yards
.1875 td's

how did Ike do the last part of the season game by game

Plaxico burress 3 rec 15 yards 0 tds
Santana Moss 2 rec 14 yards 0 tds
marvin Harrison 3 rec 37 yards 0 tds
vincent Jackson 2 rec 25 yards 0 tds
houshmanzadeh 4rec 20 yard 0 tds
Randy Moss 4 rec 45 yards 0tds
Terrell Owens 3 rec 32 yards 1 td
Derrick Mason 3 rec 23 yards 0tds
Justin Gage 5 rec 105 yards 1 td
Braylon Edwards 1 rec 5 yards 0tds
V. jackson 2rec 49 yards 1 td
D. Mason 3 rec 41 yards 0td

there are alot of 1000 yard receivers, pro-bowlers, in the careers of those above receivers..... is it a coincidence that almost everyone of them had their worst day of the year against IKE?

don't bet blindly...make sure you look at the matchups and know who Larry "black jesus" fitgerald is going against

Did he cover both Wayne and Harrison vs Indy?
Plaxico did not play I think most of the 1st half vs Pit

Is Fitzgerald better than all those WRs you mentioned above?
I say YES!

IKE has not played well in the 2 playoffs games, gave up TD in both games

IKE cant tackle, cant catch the ball, has dropped too many easy INTs

Chi_archie · 01-21-09, 12:16 AM

didn't cover Wayne that's why I didn't include him in the list underneath IKE.... but included him in Receivers the STEELERS have faced

if Plax didn't play the whole game...( I think you are right there) who did Ike match up with the most then?

Smith and his 3 catches for 45 yards 0 td's
or Hixon and his 1 catch and 15 yards o td's?

you can state your opinion about whether you think Ike Can't tackle..but its just an opinion...

but hell he doesn't need to Clark and Troy do the hitting When the receivers catch their avg 4 catches per game against him...

His job is to make sure qb's don't have the option of throwing to their number 1 man...and when they do to knock it away..... if he intercepts it like he did against Dallas, that's a bonus...but i'll be okay with knocking it down..

again the facts remain, he doesn't get torched for TD's very often, he doesn't give up big plays, and he doesn't allow many plays at all.... and its not just IKE, its the unit

Chi_archie · 01-21-09, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by The Seer

That's all moot point since Fitzgerald is better than all of them and Asante Samuel is better than Taylor.

I'd say Asante WAS better..... Ike plays in a better scheme and better overall system

james4512 · 01-21-09, 02:56 PM

let me guess ike taylor covers bolden and breaston too?

Chi_archie · 01-27-09, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by james4512

let me guess ike taylor covers bolden and breaston too?

I haven't been impressed with either of their production over the last half of the year or in the playoffs...

its really just become the Larry show... are they still threats? yes

but breaston's season stats are more a product of the system he is in then super talent... he is an avg to above avg wr

element1286 · 01-27-09, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by Scorpion

Did he cover both Wayne and Harrison vs Indy?
Plaxico did not play I think most of the 1st half vs Pit

Is Fitzgerald better than all those WRs you mentioned above?
I say YES!

IKE has not played well in the 2 playoffs games, gave up TD in both games

IKE cant tackle, cant catch the ball, has dropped too many easy INTs

Thats just not true, all Steelers corners can tackle, if you can't tackle as a corner you can't play in the Steelers scheme. He was 5th on the team in tackles, so there is really no basis for that argument.

element1286 · 01-27-09, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

I haven't been impressed with either of their production over the last half of the year or in the playoffs...

its really just become the Larry show... are they still threats? yes

but breaston's season stats are more a product of the system he is in then super talent... he is an avg to above avg wr

Same thing as Stokley when the Colts went nuts with the passing game a few years ago.

Chi_archie · 02-01-09, 02:35 AM

Article about the Ike vs Larry matchup today

http://www.pittsburghpost-gazette.com/pg/09032/945861-66.stm

thought this part was interesting in particular

The Steelers allowed fewer 20-yard (23) and 40-yard passes (2) than any team in the league during the regular season.
The Steelers have contained every one of the top receivers they have faced this season. In each instance, Taylor had the assignment of following those receivers. His role was supplemented with rotating coverage from one of the safeties, Troy Polamalu and Ryan Clark, to take away the deep pass. He is expected to do the same with Fitzgerald because he is the cornerback with the best height and speed to match against Arizona's 6-foot-3, 220-pound receiver.

purecarnagge · 02-01-09, 02:43 AM

when he gets burnt in the big game I'm going to laugh.

Chi_archie · 02-01-09, 02:54 AM

Troy must really be amazing at covering up those mistakes you mentioned earlier in the thread. to only allow 2 40+ mistakes all year. pretty impressive.

hopefully it will be an entertaining game... I love Larry Fitz. Maybe my second fav nfl player ever. I think he'll have a good game, but it won't be enough. Pittsburgh still wins this.

the reason arizona has gone on a run, isn't Larry...its their run game and their defense stepping up in the playoffs. They will need both of those to stay true tomorrow. The defense returned to their baseline the 2nd half of the eagles game. I hope they make a game of it, as I want an entertaining game as a fan more then worrying about my wager..... but all indications make the Steelers ml a very sharp and safe play... the steelers covering the the spread is solid but nowhere near a lock... I see steelers with 27 or 31 and the cards with 20-24

Chi_archie · 02-01-09, 06:16 PM

here we go...hr of reckoning...and last chance to get your last min bet in based upon the Stillers secondary dominance

purecarnagge · 02-01-09, 11:39 PM

and Ike got WTF owned in the game...torched for a TD and out jumped for a TD...all by his guy Ike Taylor...He also got a very costly 15 yd penalty that kept a AZ drive alive...

but Ike Taylor is the man...

purecarnagge · 02-02-09, 12:27 AM

Where was your boy at Chi? He leave his game at home?

Chi_archie · 02-02-09, 12:41 AM

I'm pretty sure he is celebrating still.... I heard him on espn radio as I drove home from the party.....

sounded pretty excited... I mean nothing like being the top team out of 32.....................

POP THE BUBBLY

followed the game plan... shut fitz down first half.... LET BEN WIN IT IN THE END like always.... God Bless those Stillers

slacker00 · 02-02-09, 12:53 AM

Ike played one hell of a game. That 15 yard penalty almost cost them the game, though. Nice call, archie.

Chi_archie · 02-02-09, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by slacker00

Ike played one hell of a game. That 15 yard penalty almost cost them the game, though. Nice call, archie.

great point.... big drama on that possesion where they.................................... ........................................ .............

PUNTED

6 RINGS now

element1286 · 02-02-09, 02:15 AM

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purecarnagge · 02-02-09, 08:47 AM

your boy played like shit for the game. Riding the coat tails of others to 2 rings is easy though.

jjgold · 02-02-09, 08:54 AM

Zona really did ok against Pitt D, the difference was they got to QB more than Cards did

Warner would of had 500 yards passing if he started throwing from the beginning