Morrison 'Chase' System Plays

[Smacksmiter]

With all the dissenters posting in here now, I believe a couple of points need to be restated..

JohnMorr08 has made it clear he is NOT doing the strict "Morrison System" and is basically handicapping and adding filters to the system to create his own new method....therefore, all of you who are ragging on the "Morrison System" need to take your tampons out of his thread and quit bashing....this does not apply in this thread as he is NOT DOING THE MORRISON SYSTEM.

Secondly, as several posters have pointed out, if you "had enough money" the "Martingale System" would never lose as at some point you WILL win ONE BET that would get you even...of course, nobody but god has that much money so if you stuck with it long enough eventually you would lose as you would not be able to make the next bigger bet... I think that this is clear to everyone and I think that everyone who gambles knows that you will lose at some point and even the best cappers have long losing streaks...therefore, the key is money management as JohnMorr08 and multiple others have REPEATEDLY STRESSED in this thread...

So, that being said... I like a system with filters that has the record that this one has... and have no problem playing it within the money management guidelines that have been laid out... it certainly does better than most cappers and requires alot less guesswork than most capping...

Finally, no one is deceiving anyone about anything on this thread... all the information is here and the pitfalls and dangers of possible loss have been clearly outlined...

[Dana4U]

Appears that the play is Dallas +7, it was posted in CockNockers thread!

[Karayilan9]

This is an interesting topic!
The Martingale system was a popular 18th century betting system in France, however, what we must remember is that this form of Martingaling applied to games of chance where the bets were independant. For example, when you flip a coin the chance of getting a head of tail is statistically independant, there is no "memory" so in theory it could land head up 100 times in a row. Therefore the only way you can win long term with the Martingale system is with an infinite bank balance, without one in theory there is the possibility of a total loss.

However, sports betting is not the same as flipping a coin, its similar to the stock market. The events are not statistically independant, there are factors which can effect a teams performance ie injuries, home advantage, winning streaks/loosing streaks, formations/tactics/strategies etc etc There is no sure thing in sports bets but if we do enough research we can make a better educated guess then choosing the number a ball will land on in Roulette.

JohnMor is using a sub martingale system, as there is a bias in his favour, he isn't randomly choosing games just because of the system otherwise Wizards would be a play today. This is why he's making money over time.

There is no perfect system, there never will be, if there was there would be no books however, using systems which are working along with individual game research can help reduce risk and increase win ratios.

[DevilDog]

Martingale....Smartingale...Artingale... .it does NOT matter. Follow the plays! We are NOT doubling up for six or seven games in a row. This is a three game series bet. Only two of the games would actually be chases if you lost game one or game two.

If some of these know-it-alls would just listen they would realize that what we are doing is really sound. I find it utterly amazing that a system like this, that is proven for YEARS, still gets bashed.

If you have a $1000 bankroll and are starting out with $100 as your bet on the first game...ya...you could be in trouble fast.

But that is not what you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start using about 1% of your bankroll.

It is obvious that many guys that read threads like this just don't pay attention!!!

[LT Profits]

Martingale....Smartingale...Artingale... .it does NOT matter. Follow the plays! We are NOT doubling up for six or seven games in a row. This is a three game series bet. Only two of the games would actually be chases if you lost game one or game two.

If some of these know-it-alls would just listen they would realize that what we are doing is really sound. I find it utterly amazing that a system like this, that is proven for YEARS, still gets bashed.

If you have a $1000 bankroll and are starting out with $100 as your bet on the first game...ya...you could be in trouble fast.

But that is not what you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start using about 1% of your bankroll.

It is obvious that many guys that read threads like this just don't pay attention!!!

Oh we are paying total attention. Chasing "only once" is still one time too many.

If we assume that these plays are +EV (which may be far-fetched) and we assume that the first game has a 65% success rate as someone said (again far-fetched but still helps prove the point), you would STILL make more profit by playing every game for 2.5% of bankroll than by using a 1%, 2%, 4% progression.

[cocknocker]

In addition to our usual plays, JohnMorr, throw down on the Celtics -8 and also throw down on them in the 1st quarter as well. I also like the Bulls as well, but I think that that game is about to start now. But get you some of that Gang Green money homes. As always, good luck today in your endeavors.

[pat venditto]

martingale is a -ev proposition

[Mudcat]

Hey I just had a great idea. Instead of doubling up after a loss, what about tripling up?

Triple is more than double, right?

It's more money!!!

I could go for some free money. Free money? Oh mama!

Hey wait a second - wouldn't quadrupling be even more money?!?! I think maybe. I'll let the math guys do some calculations and confirm that but . . .


OH MAMA!

[schaapattack]

are you posting on here anymore JM?

[cocknocker]

LT Profits,

Why are you giving JohnMorr such a hard time, homes? Check it out, no one is putting a gun to your head to come to his thread. Yet you have come in and basically trashed what he is doing as if he was wrong for what he is doing. I myself use the system much in the same manner with a filter or four on it. Once they get their win, I fade the teams in th third or fourth game of the trip, etc...But to disagree with a person is one thing, but to tell another man how to spend his money is not being constructive. If you don't like it, don't trip off ofit, and leave him be to, as you say, lose his money. Everyone has their own way of doing things. You do your thing your way , and let him do his thing his way. You are starting to sound like you are attempting to parent this gentleman into stopping what he is doing, lose his identity and basically follow YOUR plan. At least you could ask him for a fee and guage his interest in what you are saying. Then you would find out how much true interest he has in your methods, no?

C'mon man give him a break. At least counter his methods on another thread dedicated solely to your own method. But to continually attempting what you're doing is no longer constructive. It got old after the second time you spoke on the subject, homes. I am a professional in this game just like you, this is what i do for a living and been doing it since 1996. I take a lot of heat as well when things don't go right. It comes with the territory. But as a front man yourself, i am sure that you would get a little annoyed if someone was to continually criticize what you were doing day in and day out.

[Bluehorseshoe]

The bottom line is, this system works at the percentages already mentioned, and who wants to try it, should try it, who doesn't of course can stay out of it. There are risks, there's reason why it's called gambling, and once you put your money in, you have to be aware there's a possibility to lose them. I've played according to this system for about a week, and I've made 6 times of my initial deposit so far. I'm aware it can fail at some point, and the gambling I'm willing to take is that it will happen later than sooner. So every one should take full responsibility for it's own decisions, while the author of this thread is doing a great job sharing a system that worked for him in the past few years, and I hope he will continue doing that

More new posters jumping into this thread with positive comments.

It's ridiculous.

[Luv2Poker]

Well said CK!!

[Cassidy]

Why not just let devote this thread to the main subject, and focus better on the system plays? Lets the result speaks for itself.

[Karayilan9]

Your not martingaling on an independant chance event, its a submartingale because there is a bias in JohnMors favour.

The only sure-bet in betting is Arbitrage betting, with everything else there will always be a risk, the only thing we can do is try to reduce it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage_betting

[LT Profits]

LT Profits,

Why are you giving JohnMorr such a hard time, homes? Check it out, no one is putting a gun to your head to come to his thread. Yet you have come in and basically trashed what he is doing as if he was wrong for what he is doing. I myself use the system much in the same manner with a filter or four on it. Once they get their win, I fade the teams in th third or fourth game of the trip, etc...But to disagree with a person is one thing, but to tell another man how to spend his money is not being constructive. If you don't like it, don't trip off ofit, and leave him be to, as you say, lose his money. Everyone has their own way of doing things. You do your thing your way , and let him do his thing his way. You are starting to sound like you are attempting to parent this gentleman into stopping what he is doing, lose his identity and basically follow YOUR plan. At least you could ask him for a fee and guage his interest in what you are saying. Then you would find out how much true interest he has in your methods, no?

C'mon man give him a break. At least counter his methods on another thread dedicated solely to your own method. But to continually attempting what you're doing is no longer constructive. It got old after the second time you spoke on the subject, homes. I am a professional in this game just like you, this is what i do for a living and been doing it since 1996. I take a lot of heat as well when things don't go right. It comes with the territory. But as a front man yourself, i am sure that you would get a little annoyed if someone was to continually criticize what you were doing day in and day out.

I am not critcizing the play selection method, but rather, the money management scheme because advising anyone to double up after a loss is the WORST advice imaginable and I don't want any newbies coming into this thread and falling for the hype.

As I have said several times, if the record of this system is as good as everyone says, then profits would have been maximized using basic Kelly or straight % of bankroll.

[flyingillini]

Where do these guys come from? Go back to the hole you crawled out from.

[Dexter]

here are the Bet A plays for the rest of january (note that the kings may not be a play - possible worst road record come Sat)

19-Jan

cavs

19-Jan

mavs

21-Jan

nets

23-Jan

rockets

24-Jan

kings

25-Jan

bulls

27-Jan

bobcats

30-Jan

clippers

[Otters27]

This system is OK as long as you are willing to lose your starting bankroll.

I would recomend using bankroll that you can afford to lose.

If you do lose it I would not try the system again until the next year.

Don't chase a chasing system!

[LUNT101]

Philly making it interesting...

[LUNT101]

Wow...ultimate meltdown by Dallas. Up 12 with 2 min left now tied with 8 seconds. Dallas ball for one last shot or else its OT..ughhh

[LUNT101]

Dirk with the dagger!!! 6 for 22 from the field and then hits a turn around 20 footer for the game winner. How good is this guy...

[JohnMorr08]

I've said it before... this is my absolute LAST comment. I use this system to isolate games with a high (%) chance of winning. I then use several filters and different Money Managment schemes, point buying methods as well as traditional capping, trends, etc ... to finally pick the games.

I've expressed SEVERAL times that YES this system will lose a couple of times throughout the year. My Goal is to avoid these series. The reason why I opened it up to discussion here is to get different ideas and to let people know how I've been making $$ for 5 years now.

Bottom line is this: I am NOT fighting what anybody is saying. You are all right. True Martingale systems FAIL it is true. BUT this isn't that at all. It's based on 3 bets.... Not an infiinite amount of bets until you finally "WIN". You will absolutely go BROKE in that case.

I have been posting my plays for over 2 months and in terms of "Series" bets I'm 37 - 0 (I believe).

I openly DISMISSED 3 series. 1 was a winner on Bet A. 1 was a winner on Bet C. And 1 DID in fact lose Bets A, B and C. That within in it self was a WIN of about 15 Units for me.

Now, I'm done explaining myself. You guys can chase your tails around if you want to. But I suggest we get back to the task at hand and HELP each other beat the Books.

[Bet Shooter]

Everyone please reread the posts that LT has posted in this thread. (especially any Newbies.) If any part of his posts are not 100% clear to you, then I suggest you spend more time on this site reading about the terms and theories that he tries to provide for you. (at no charge I might add) Someone said it a long time ago here. READ MORE, POST LESS. There are people here that know what they are talking about in this business. It would make sense to listen to what they have to say.

As far as this system is concerned: There are not enough statistical trials to show any validity to the theory. Once you have a documented win % above 55% for over 2000 trails, then you can safely say it's a valid wagering theory.

[El Degeneroso]

John are you playing the Cavaliers starting tonight or is that a series that you have 'filtered out' and won't play? With their injuries I wonder if they'll have the depth to handle the rigors of a tough road trip.

[sprasad03]

I had question though, You pick the road team and buy three points. It doesnt matter if the road team is a favorite or underdog correct?

Also, do you buy 3 points on ML or 3 points in addition to spread?

so if cleveland @ boston, cleveland -4, i buy them at -1?

[Bluehorseshoe]

here are the Bet A plays for the rest of january (note that the kings may not be a play - possible worst road record come Sat)

19-Jan

cavs

19-Jan

mavs

21-Jan

nets

23-Jan

rockets

24-Jan

kings

25-Jan

bulls

27-Jan

bobcats

30-Jan

clippers

How come the Wizards aren't included??

[larryacraig]

John are you playing the Cavaliers starting tonight or is that a series that you have 'filtered out' and won't play? With their injuries I wonder if they'll have the depth to handle the rigors of a tough road trip.

I would confirmation as well....also does anybody know how to get ahold of the pdf that was uploaded at one point?

[jordan_gt_99]

If you bet fixed percent of bankroll, I'd recommend 2.5%. So your first bet would be 250, and then you adjust your bets as the BR changes. If you are a Kelly bettor, you have to handicap each game on its individual merits, and if you think you have an edge, apply that edge to the Kelly formula. If you are not using either of these methods, chances are you will lose in the long run anyway.

Would you bet all games in each series even if you already got a win?

[jordan_gt_99]

I'd recommend 0% on all of them

Burrito please keep your comments to yourself, I have yet to see you post any information to help anyone here make money, but you always rush to make stupid remarks. It is very easy to be a critic but not so easy to be a performer.

[LUNT101]

How come the Wizards aren't included??

You do not bet the system blindly. Some teams are not worth the gamble. I know Dexter and I both eliminated the Wizards last night.

[50lipa]

I had question though, You pick the road team and buy three points. It doesnt matter if the road team is a favorite or underdog correct?

Also, do you buy 3 points on ML or 3 points in addition to spread?

so if cleveland @ boston, cleveland -4, i buy them at -1?

Yes this is one of the basics of the SBC original system, adding 3 points on the spread as you demonstrated.

But as anyone else said and i will repeat, do not follow the system blindly, modifications are needed to improve efficiency, like passing on plays John Morrison won't pass on on his site, for example Wizards today (i know for a fact he didn't pass on it), because it can produce a major loss to your bankroll seeing as they are and awfull away team lately.

I would confirmation as well....also does anybody know how to get ahold of the pdf that was uploaded at one point?

Feel free to pm me or the creator of this thread, altho don't think anyone else that has it would mind passing it to you.

I would just like to add to what everyone else before me said, it is clear that JohnMorr08 uses modifications to the original system which anyone with a betting past that came upon the system decides to do eventually as it simply ends up generating you MORE profit.

I came to this forum recently and found just what i was looking for, a group of people using this system as a great basis for making some serious $$, and guidance from them is all i am looking for, in adition to contributing as much as i can.

Now can we stop this witch hunt and continue with the betting discussion please.

[dlew2k]

How come the Wizards aren't included??

isnt one of the filters based on road record? was has the worse pct so its a no-go.

[Bluehorseshoe]

isnt one of the filters based on road record? was has the worse pct so its a no-go.

Oklahoma City was the worst before today.

[JohnMorr08]

Gentlemen... RPI is a constant as far as my 'capping' goes. Keep an eye on NBA RPI. I will absolutely NOT play any team in the bottom 4. Also, I will NOT play any team that will play 2 of the Top 3 as part of thier road trip.

There you go: Yet another filter that willl save you from losing your shirt.

Hence: Washington - No Play!

[infamousdx]

How about hte Cavs @ Lakers tonight?