Should 23-11 in bowl pool ATS win?

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  • seaborneq
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    • 09-08-06
    • 22556

    #1
    Should 23-11 in bowl pool ATS win?
    That will be my record if Florida covers the 2.5. Based on the games and the results, do you think that this would win a 40 gambler Greek bowl pool? I don't feel like going through each and every other persons picks, but a random sample of 7 showed me ahead of the pack. There is no leaderboard so I have no idea whether anyone else has beat me. What would you consider a reasonable winning number of picks out of the 34 bowl games?
  • fiveteamer
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-14-08
    • 10805

    #2
    Was Florida ever 2.5???
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    • smitch124
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 05-19-08
      • 12566

      #3
      It'll be up there, but I bet someone manages a better record. Still good work though hope you bet them separately as well
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      • seaborneq
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 09-08-06
        • 22556

        #4
        5Dimes has about 60 participants and the leader will finish with 23 if Florida wins. I will come in second in that one. That is why I am wondering if 23 will do it in a smaller pool.
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        • bfour
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 01-14-08
          • 690

          #5
          I have similar record in one I am doing and am finding people in it with 3, 4 and 5 losses.
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          • seaborneq
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 09-08-06
            • 22556

            #6
            Originally posted by bfour
            I have similar record in one I am doing and am finding people in it with 3, 4 and 5 losses.
            No way. No how. You must be in with professional gamblers and not recreational ones. The sample size I took had between 15 and 20 correct. No where close to 26-30 correct picks. You have some professional touts that won't do that well and they are getting paid to pick winners.
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            • bfour
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 01-14-08
              • 690

              #7
              It's a local one with a bunch of nongamblers, people's co-workers and moms and shit its really frustrating.
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              • seaborneq
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-08-06
                • 22556

                #8
                Originally posted by bfour
                It's a local one with a bunch of nongamblers, people's co-workers and moms and shit its really frustrating.
                Yes, prettiest uniform pickers, and best cities pickers are the biggest pool breakers.
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                • seaborneq
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 09-08-06
                  • 22556

                  #9
                  anybody else have any idea.
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                  • VegasDave
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 01-03-07
                    • 8056

                    #10
                    I'll be 22 - 12 if Florida covers. I'm sure someone pulled off a 24 - 10... doubt 23 - 11 will be enough. Good luck though!
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                    • seaborneq
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 09-08-06
                      • 22556

                      #11
                      I hope this will win it.
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                      • seaborneq
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                        • 09-08-06
                        • 22556

                        #12
                        I won. 23-11 was enough. Wow. When you don't have a leaderboard you have no idea where you stand. What a day, week, and month!!!!!!!!!!
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                        • bfour
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 01-14-08
                          • 690

                          #13
                          That's ****in awesome sea, fat payout huh?
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                          • seaborneq
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 09-08-06
                            • 22556

                            #14
                            Originally posted by bfour
                            That's ****in awesome sea, fat payout huh?
                            I will call it a little extra.
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                            • Sinister Cat
                              SBR MVP
                              • 06-03-08
                              • 1090

                              #15
                              congrats on the win

                              btw does anyone have an actual answer to this problem? What is the probability that in a 40-person pool, with 34 picks, that someone will do better than 23-11?

                              I am not that confident in my math skills these days. I have it as ~38.6% if the entrants are all coin flippers, ~48.2% if they are 51% cappers, ~58.4% if they are 52% cappers... is this right? Also, what is the expected number of winners picked by a winning player (say, assuming everyone is a coin flipper)?
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                              • seaborneq
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 09-08-06
                                • 22556

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Sinister Cat
                                congrats on the win

                                btw does anyone have an actual answer to this problem? What is the probability that in a 40-person pool, with 34 picks, that someone will do better than 23-11?

                                I am not that confident in my math skills these days. I have it as ~38.6% if the entrants are all coin flippers, ~48.2% if they are 51% cappers, ~58.4% if they are 52% cappers... is this right? Also, what is the expected number of winners picked by a winning player (say, assuming everyone is a coin flipper)?
                                2/3's picking will have you atop or close on most leaderboards. I say you will win 80+% of the time. No one can do 60+% over time. so a one time .67 should make you do well.
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                                • Sinister Cat
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 06-03-08
                                  • 1090

                                  #17
                                  I did the calculations using binomdist function in Excel. i.e.:
                                  chance of a given coin-flipper getting better than 23/34 = 1 - binomdist(23,34,0.5,1) =~ 0.012153
                                  chance of one or more of the 40 of these coin-flippers getting better than 23/34: 1 - binomdist(0,40,0.012153,0) = 0.386827

                                  Any math geek tell me if this is the right way to do it?
                                  Is there a mathematical solution the the problem of what the expected number correct of the winner is, or do you have to do a simulation?
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                                  • VegasDave
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                                    • 01-03-07
                                    • 8056

                                    #18
                                    Congrats seaborne!
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