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  • BBall Bet
    SBR High Roller
    • 04-20-13
    • 125

    #1
    Bball Bet's NBA Playoff Thread
    Instead of starting a thread per game.
    This will by the place where I will post my picks pregame.
  • 19th Hole
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-22-09
    • 18957

    #2
    Attaboy...Now you're cookin'

    Do your spoutin' off in your own thread
    but remember...
    Humble wins speak loudest.

    Good Luck.
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    • Dollars2Donuts
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 02-07-13
      • 8803

      #3
      Good luck
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      • Doughboy22
        SBR MVP
        • 02-01-12
        • 4189

        #4
        Good luck bball
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        • BBall Bet
          SBR High Roller
          • 04-20-13
          • 125

          #5
          Originally posted by 19th Hole
          Good Luck.
          Originally posted by Dollars2Donuts
          Good luck
          Originally posted by Doughboy22
          Good luck bball
          Good luck to you too.
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          • BBall Bet
            SBR High Roller
            • 04-20-13
            • 125

            #6
            Today's Game Simulation, Spurs vs Warriors
            - example variables:
            what if Curry has a hot shooting night?
            What if Klay has an average shooting night?
            And so forth and so on, the variables changing per simulation game.

            Simulation 1 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs -1
            Simulation 2 Winner (After 1000 Games): Warriors +1
            Simulation 3 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs -1
            Simulation 4 Winner (After 1000 Games): Warriors +1
            Simulation 5 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs -1
            Simulation 6 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs -1
            Simulation 7 Winner (After 1000 Games): Warriors +1

            Spurs 4 POINTS (Spurs have 57% chance of winning)
            Warriors 3 POINTS (Warriors have 43% chance of winning)

            My Pick: Pass. Tally this close is an automatic pass for me. Good luck.
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            • amolg24
              SBR Sharp
              • 04-26-13
              • 373

              #7
              You edited your post and didnt include a reason? and you posted it after tip off too...not a good look for credibility if you ask me.
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              • BBall Bet
                SBR High Roller
                • 04-20-13
                • 125

                #8
                Originally posted by amolg24
                You edited your post and didnt include a reason? and you posted it after tip off too...not a good look for credibility if you ask me.
                Reason for editing: Added chance of winning

                So what if I posted the simulation after the tip off, I passed, so it doesn't matter.
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                • BBall Bet
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 04-20-13
                  • 125

                  #9
                  Play for today is Grizzlies -4.5 (60% chance of winning)

                  Pregame tracking purpose
                  pregame*com/members/bball-bet/picks_hq/default.aspx
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                  • BBall Bet
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 04-20-13
                    • 125

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BBall Bet
                    Play for today is Grizzlies -4.5 (60% chance of winning)
                    Winner
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                    • BBall Bet
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 04-20-13
                      • 125

                      #11
                      Play for today is:
                      Knicks +5.5 (71% chance of winning)
                      Over 179.5 (Correlated Play)

                      Pregame tracking purpose
                      pregame*com/members/bball-bet/picks_hq/default.aspx
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                      • amolg24
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 04-26-13
                        • 373

                        #12
                        Nice W...Spurs were 57% and Grizzlies were 60%...is that the difference with your system between automatically laying off and playing the pick?
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                        • amolg24
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 04-26-13
                          • 373

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BBall Bet
                          Play for today is:
                          Knicks +5.5 (71% chance of winning)
                          Over 179.5 (Correlated Play)

                          Pregame tracking purpose
                          pregame*com/members/bball-bet/picks_hq/default.aspx

                          Like the Knicks today as well
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                          • BBall Bet
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 04-20-13
                            • 125

                            #14
                            Originally posted by amolg24
                            Nice W...Spurs were 57% and Grizzlies were 60%...is that the difference with your system between automatically laying off and playing the pick?
                            To save time, I usually run the simulation 4 times. When the tally is wide at at 4th simulations, i stop it altogether. When it's really close I up the simulation to 7.

                            For example:
                            End of simulation 5 result tally is 60%: Team A (3) vs Team B (2)
                            End of simulation 7 result tally is 57%: Team C (4) vs Team D (3)

                            Match up AB at 4th simulation is not close, because of initial 3-1 tally, but I still run it to 5th simulation because of odd round robin numbering (even round robin can't break ties).

                            Match up CD is close at 2-2 in the 4th simulation, so I had to run it all the way to 7th simulation.

                            So to answer your question, the 57% is close while the 60% is not.
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                            • BBall Bet
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 04-20-13
                              • 125

                              #15
                              Last 10 Days Picks (8-4, 67%)

                              5-11-2013 (3 Win - 1 Lost)
                              Spurs ML
                              Spurs +2
                              Under 204 @ Spurs vs Warriors
                              Under 187.5 @ Bulls vs Heat

                              5-12-2013 (1 Win)
                              Pacers -4.5

                              5-13-2013 (Pass)
                              Spurs (57% chance of covering)

                              5-14-2013 (1 Win)
                              Grizzlies -4.5

                              5-15-2013 (2 Lost)
                              Knicks +5.5
                              Over 179.5

                              5-15-2013 (1 Lost)
                              Pacers +5

                              5-17-2013 (1 Win)
                              Spurs -1

                              5-18-2013 (1 Win)
                              Pacers -5

                              5-19-2013 (1 Win)
                              Spurs -4.5

                              Pregame Tracking
                              pregame*com/members/bball-bet/picks_hq/default.aspx
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                              • BBall Bet
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 04-20-13
                                • 125

                                #16
                                Game Time: Tuesday, 05/21/2013
                                Pick: Spurs -4.5
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                                • BBall Bet
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 04-20-13
                                  • 125

                                  #17
                                  Game Time: Wednesday 05/22/2013
                                  Pick: Pacers +8
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                                  • BBall Bet
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 04-20-13
                                    • 125

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BBall Bet
                                    Game Time: Tuesday, 05/21/2013
                                    Pick: Spurs -4.5
                                    Result: Spurs won by 4
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                                    • Jikos
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 04-28-13
                                      • 1663

                                      #19
                                      I like the fact that you estimate the probability of the bet winning and bet based on that, rather than claiming to have picked a winner, or a lock.
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                                      • BBall Bet
                                        SBR High Roller
                                        • 04-20-13
                                        • 125

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Jikos
                                        I like the fact that you estimate the probability of the bet winning and bet based on that, rather than claiming to have picked a winner, or a lock.
                                        1. Risk is inherent. Uncertainty is high in the NBA. No teams win 100% on the season. Sooner or later they will incur lost. So there is no "lock" winner, just probability of winning. If the lines are too good to be true, it probably is. Plus high vigorish will make you bankrupt because of higher break even percentage. So I avoid favorite moneyline with very low returns.

                                        2. Gambling if you think about is addictive to some, because the rewards are instantaneous. But the higher the risk, the better the reward, the less likely you would win. I also try to avoid parlays as much as possible.

                                        3. I am not a gut feeling gambler, or an emotional gambler. I never bet on or against teams that I watch for fun. For example, Spurs, Pacers and Grizzlies are not my "for fun" teams, but I watch them because of betting. I pass on matchups which is too close on my calculations.


                                        ESTIMATING WIN BY PATIENCE

                                        The hare and the tortoise parable is a good example here, the key is patience and discipline. There are two ways to go about it:

                                        1. Be very conservative and invest just 1% to 2.5% of my starting bankroll every betting day, recalculating the 1% after achieving an increase 20% on your bankroll, aiming for a modest 56% win lost record annually. This is perfect for beginners or compulsive gamblers.

                                        OR

                                        2. Go half-Kelly which is riskier, higher sized bets on higher probabilities, normal sized bets on average probability. This of course has higher variance, but is nearer to the power of compounding interest (this is only for those who knows how to calculate their edge.)

                                        Either way, you must have a self-control not to go all-out on "sure bets," and avoid chasing your lost. My aim at the end of the year is reaching 58% win lost record. My bankroll so far is increasing around 15% compounded every week.

                                        From time to time I bet for fun, diverging from my rules and put a very small percentage on heavy favorite moneyline (even here my maximum is -400, and I avoid double digit minus teams). But most of the time, I stick to my rules.
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                                        • BBall Bet
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 04-20-13
                                          • 125

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by BBall Bet
                                          From time to time I bet for fun, diverging from my rules and put a small percentage on heavy favorite moneyline (even here my maximum is -400, and I avoid double digit minus teams).
                                          A good example: Miami Heat moneyline (-383)

                                          I laid 2% of my bankroll just for fun.

                                          If you ask me though, I'll take the boring and slow earning ones than the fun ones. I find the boring moneymakers to be better earners.
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                                          • BBall Bet
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 04-20-13
                                            • 125

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by BBall Bet
                                            Miami Heat moneyline (-383)
                                            I laid 2% of my bankroll just for fun.
                                            Originally posted by BBall Bet
                                            Game Time: Wednesday 05/22/2013
                                            Pick: Pacers +8
                                            Winners 2-0 today
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                                            • BBall Bet
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 04-20-13
                                              • 125

                                              #23
                                              Last 12 Days Picks (10-5, 67%)

                                              5-11-2013 (3 Win - 1 Lost)
                                              Spurs ML
                                              Spurs +2
                                              Under 204 @ Spurs vs Warriors
                                              Under 187.5 @ Bulls vs Heat

                                              5-12-2013 (1 Win)
                                              Pacers -4.5

                                              5-13-2013 (Pass)
                                              Spurs (57% chance of covering)

                                              5-14-2013 (1 Win)
                                              Grizzlies -4.5

                                              5-15-2013 (2 Lost)
                                              Knicks +5.5
                                              Over 179.5

                                              5-15-2013 (1 Lost)
                                              Pacers +5

                                              5-17-2013 (1 Win)
                                              Spurs -1

                                              5-18-2013 (1 Win)
                                              Pacers -5

                                              5-19-2013 (1 Win)
                                              Spurs -4.5

                                              5-21-2013 (1 Lost)
                                              Spurs -4.5 (Spurs won by 4)

                                              5-22-2013 (2 Wins)
                                              Pacers +8
                                              Heat ML
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                                              • BBall Bet
                                                SBR High Roller
                                                • 04-20-13
                                                • 125

                                                #24
                                                Game Time: 05/24/2013
                                                Pick: Pacers +7.5
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                                                • BBall Bet
                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                  • 04-20-13
                                                  • 125

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BBall Bet
                                                  Game Time: 05/24/2013
                                                  Pick: Pacers +7.5
                                                  Winner again today
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                                                  • BBall Bet
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 04-20-13
                                                    • 125

                                                    #26
                                                    Simulation 1 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs +5.5
                                                    Simulation 2 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs +5.5
                                                    Simulation 3 Winner (After 1000 Games): Grizzlies -5.5
                                                    Simulation 4 Winner (After 1000 Games): Grizzlies -5.5
                                                    Simulation 5 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs +5.5
                                                    Simulation 6 Winner (After 1000 Games): Grizzlies -5.5
                                                    Simulation 7 Winner (After 1000 Games): Spurs +5.5

                                                    Spurs 4 POINTS (Spurs have 57% chance of covering)
                                                    Grizzlies 3 POINTS (Grizzlies have 43% of covering)

                                                    Analysis: Tally this close is USUALLY an automatic pass for me.
                                                    But the succeeding days rest might be an advantage for Duncan, Manu, and Parker.

                                                    Coach Nick has a nice analysis, on why resting helped the Spurs win Game 2.



                                                    The foul trouble of Duncan in the 4th was a blessing in disguise.
                                                    Yes, Randolph finally was a factor when Duncan was not on the floor, but this backfired.
                                                    Duncan performed well in overtime because he was well-rested.

                                                    Pick: Spurs +5.5
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                                                    • BBall Bet
                                                      SBR High Roller
                                                      • 04-20-13
                                                      • 125

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BBall Bet
                                                      Pick: Spurs +5.5
                                                      Winner Again!


                                                      Originally posted by BBall Bet
                                                      The succeeding days rest might be an advantage for Duncan, Manu, and Parker.
                                                      Duncan: 24 points, 10 Rebounds, 5 Assist
                                                      Parker:
                                                      26 points, 4 Rebounds, 5 Assist
                                                      Manu:
                                                      19 points, 7 Rebounds, 5 Assist
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                                                      • BBall Bet
                                                        SBR High Roller
                                                        • 04-20-13
                                                        • 125

                                                        #28
                                                        2 Weeks Picks (12-5, 70%)

                                                        5-11-2013 (3 Win - 1 Lost)
                                                        Spurs ML
                                                        Spurs +2
                                                        Under 204 @ Spurs vs Warriors
                                                        Under 187.5 @ Bulls vs Heat

                                                        5-12-2013 (1 Win)
                                                        Pacers -4.5

                                                        5-13-2013 (Pass)
                                                        Spurs (57% chance of covering)

                                                        5-14-2013 (1 Win)
                                                        Grizzlies -4.5

                                                        5-15-2013 (2 Lost)
                                                        Knicks +5.5
                                                        Over 179.5

                                                        5-15-2013 (1 Lost)
                                                        Pacers +5

                                                        5-17-2013 (1 Win)
                                                        Spurs -1

                                                        5-18-2013 (1 Win)
                                                        Pacers -5

                                                        5-19-2013 (1 Win)
                                                        Spurs -4.5

                                                        5-21-2013 (1 Lost)
                                                        Spurs -4.5 (Spurs won by 4)

                                                        5-22-2013 (2 Wins)
                                                        Pacers +8
                                                        Heat ML

                                                        05/24/2013 (1 Win)
                                                        Pick: Pacers +7.5

                                                        05/25/2013 (1 Win)
                                                        Spurs +5.5
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                                                        • BBall Bet
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 04-20-13
                                                          • 125

                                                          #29
                                                          Pacers (64% Chance of Winning)

                                                          Pacers Homecourt Record:
                                                          2-0 Against the Heat in regular season
                                                          2-1 (Pacers 94 vs Miami 75) in the 3rd game of 2012 playoffs
                                                          6-0 Straight up wins in 2013 playoffs
                                                          6-0 Against the Spread wins in 2013 playoffs
                                                          36-11 SU (76%) & 28-19 ATS (60%) for 2012-2013 season

                                                          Analysis:
                                                          - The pick and roll of Pacers is very good.
                                                          - The momentum is on Pacers.
                                                          - Hibbert and West are hard for Miami to defend inside the paint.

                                                          Pick: Pacers +2, Pacers ML, Under 183
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