I love it when people bring up A-rod.................

l7ustin · 12-23-08, 05:10 PM

2 Aces that both had career years on a contract year. We will see if they match the intensity when they arent playing for contract money. Burnett's been decent but his 2 monster years came in contract seasons....

Tsoprano · 12-23-08, 05:12 PM

Time will tell.

Casperwaits · 12-23-08, 05:14 PM

T, I agree the Yankees pitching has improved this year (not as much as many Yankee fans like to think but that's another story). That said, bringing up A-Fraud during the Yankees stretch of inability is not only proper it is necessary. Just beacuse you make a lot of money in baseball does not equate to respect in my opinion. I can name many ballplayers that are overpayed. Hard to show respect to a player who fails inthe clutch EVERY time. Do I want A-Fraud on my fantasy baseball team when the score is 11-3 and he is up? Absolutely. Do I want him up to bat with the bases loaded, 2 outs bottom of the ninth, and down by 1. Not a chance in hell. I have more respect for the guy that picks up the hot girl at the bar once a month over the guy that takes home the fattest piece of trash on a regular basis. I know some will disagree with me, but I think most baseball fans would nod their head in agreement on this one.

L2Gunz · 12-23-08, 05:16 PM

Yankees WILL win the World Series this year...

Tsoprano · 12-23-08, 05:18 PM

A-rod is a failed experiment for the most part in clutch situatons, but he has NOTHING to do with this trade.

Without all that money, who knows if those players would of even landed in New York. All people look at is how much they spend (which obviously isn't affecting their budget), as appose to how the players will perform. And when 1 player is a bust, the haterade comes out with every deal they make.

Guess when your at the level the Yanks are at, your always the center of attention.

tomcarter · 12-23-08, 05:27 PM

I dont really understand why these athletes get in these high profile relationships,if a-rod starts off cold,the fans are going to be brutal this year with the madonna cracks.The guy is digging himself a big hole with all this kabbalah and madonna stuff.

Casperwaits · 12-23-08, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Tsoprano

A-rod is a failed experiment for the most part in clutch situatons, but he has NOTHING to do with this trade.

Without all that money, who knows if those players would of even landed in New York. All people look at is how much they spend (which obviously isn't affecting their budget), as appose to how the players will perform. And when 1 player is a bust, the haterade comes out with every deal they make.

Guess when your at the level the Yanks are at, your always the center of attention.

T, you are right, A-Fraud is not part of the trade. I pose this question to you. Yankee fans are excited over a major signing that will put them over the top and make them automatic winners in the MLB. Do you remember the last time Yankee fans had this same amount of excitement? 2004. Remmeber how that turned out? To say that this singing can not correlate to the A-Fraud signing is off base. All I ask is before you give the Yankees their World Series rings remember they still have to play the games. History has shown recently that the big signing DOES NOT make you a winner.

Tsoprano · 12-23-08, 05:34 PM

Yes, I remember 2004, I also remember the other 26 seasons that worked out well assuming stars can bring home the rings. Shit seasons happen to all teams, it's apart of the game. It's funny when people just rehash on those particular seasons.

I remember that year... A-rod was signed. This year....AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia, Mark Texiera, and maybe even Manny, this looks like a better year than when they had A-rod recruited.

Every team has their busts, not a big deal when it comes to future recruits.

ryanXL977 · 12-23-08, 05:36 PM

almost all of those 26 seasons happened before the vietnam war my man
what do those have to do with now?

mantle, joe d, yogi, all were yankees callups
same as bernie, mo, jorge, et al

get a inor league system and win, build thru chemsitry and minors alal philly: cole, myers, rollins, howard, burrell, utley

Tsoprano · 12-23-08, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

almost all of those 26 seasons happened before the vietnam war my man
what do those have to do with now?

mantle, joe d, yogi, all were yankees callups
same as bernie, mo, jorge, et al

get a inor league system and win, build thru chemsitry and minors alal philly: cole, myers, rollins, howard, burrell, utley

So what does 2004 have to do with now?

(just high amounts of money which draws the spotlight)

That's all it is, money.

Casperwaits · 12-23-08, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by Tsoprano

Yes, I remember 2004, I also remember the other 26 seasons that worked out well assuming stars can bring home the rings. Shit seasons happen to all teams, it's apart of the game. It's funny when people just rehash on those particular seasons.

I remember that year... A-rod was signed. This year....AJ Burnett, CC Sabathia, Mark Texiera, and maybe even Manny, this looks like a better year than when they had A-rod recruited.

Every team has their busts, not a big deal when it comes to future recruits.

T, you remember the other 26 World Series Championships? How old are you? 110...

. Baseball has changed quite a bit in the last century. To compare what a happened in the 50's-90's to what is happening now is off base in my opinion. I bring up 2004 because that is a fair barometer in what is going on today. if you would like I will bring up other teams HUGE signings and see how many rings those teams won in the last decade. This isn't me hating on the Yankees as much as it is me not handing over the Championship to a team that on paper looks the part, but may not necessarily act it. Either way T, it is going to be a fun year. I have a feeling we will be jawing at each other a lot more as the season progresses

ryanXL977 · 12-23-08, 05:40 PM

i know its money, and they have plenty
all i am saying is, it never works and it never has or will
we have a lot of evidence of that

Tsoprano · 12-23-08, 05:41 PM

I'm definitely not handing them the title early either, but I do have a lot of confidence they get it.

Here's to a good year in bases.....

ryanXL977 · 12-23-08, 05:47 PM

why can nobody say the truth
that jeters defense and GIDP's kill that team more than anything else does

Casperwaits · 12-23-08, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

why can nobody say the truth
that jeters defense and GIDP's kill that team more than anything else does

Ryan, as a Sox fan , I would be the first one to say that Jeter has declined defensively and offensively in recent years. To lay blame on Jeter for the Yankees shortcomings is hard to do in my opinion. I just think their pitching was erratic last year, and they played uninspired baseball.