Will you adjust your off-shore mentality in light of recent developments?

[No coincidences]

Feds continue to crack down on these books. Have you closed your accounts off-shore? Are you betting less? Keeping a smaller balance? Or just going about your business as usual as long as it is a "reputable" book?

[BigDeem5]

Business as usual at Heritage.

[No coincidences]

Business as usual at Heritage.

Isn't Heritage directly linked and related to The Greek?

[5mike5]

business as usual, but only at the very few top big books

[darkhat]

Isn't Heritage directly linked and related to The Greek?

yes

when betjamica and the greek left the US market they transferred all their clients to heritage

[konck]

The day of sports and poker being legal is coming ...It will be a good thing.
The underworld wont have control of the soft ware to line their pockets.
The only bad thing will be taxes on scores but at least it will be fair play.
In the long run sites like SBR should benefit as they will advertise for legal
for legal sites and maybe even become one

[konck]

I cant put my money in off shore anymore havent for a while to much heat
and I have a better option here.

[No coincidences]

The day of sports and poker being legal is coming ...It will be a good thing.
The underworld wont have control of the soft ware to line their pockets.
The only bad thing will be taxes on scores but at least it will be fair play.
In the long run sites like SBR should benefit as they will advertise for legal
for legal sites and maybe even become one

It'll be interesting to see if this comes to fruition. Our government is obviously bothered by the fact that they aren't benefiting from on-line gambling, whether it be poker or sports wagering. How far they take it before it becomes legal so that they can tax the shit out of it is anyone's guess.

The problem is, we're kind of in the "in limbo" stage right now -- which can lead to a lot of volatility, and a lot of unpredictability. Books and accounts can and likely will get wiped out overnight, even if they've been "reputable" in the past. I'm still amazed that people are comfortable with carrying large off-shore balances given how hit and miss everything has been the past few years.

[katstale]

I am hoping that good poker legislation in the USA leads to liquidity returning to the market. Maybe then I won't be a criminal in my country of birth.

[5mike5]

it hasnt really been hit miss unless u stray to big bonus start up books...some players just cant say no to bonuses

when was the last big reputable book to go down?

(and BI was far from big and reputable)

[No coincidences]

it hasnt really been hit miss unless u stray to big bonus start up books...some players just cant say no to bonuses

when was the last big reputable book to go down?

(and BI was far from big and reputable)

BetJam was a pretty big blow. I understand balances were kept and transferred, but it had to throw a scare into anyone with more than just a minimal amount of money there. I don't remember there being warning signs before that happened.

[5mike5]

BetJam was a pretty big blow. I understand balances were kept and transferred, but it had to throw a scare into anyone with more than just a minimal amount of money there. I don't remember there being warning signs to that.

yes but i wouldnt call every1 being paid or balances transferred to a good book going down

i mean i was with VIP when they closed too, but i was paid every penny and they gave a warning...guess thats the closest i ever came to a book closing or stiffing

but i guess it "could" happen, im personally just not worried about the bookmaker and 5dimes of the world...that said, i always withdrawl when i get to a certain # no matter what...cant be too careful

[No coincidences]

yes but i wouldnt call every1 being paid or balances transferred to a good book going down

Anyone worried about a paper trail with Spiros re: The Greek and Legends? I haven't read into the story with great detail -- are the feds just going after him, or can he roll over on someone and take the whole book down?

[5mike5]

Anyone worried about a paper trail with Spiros re: The Greek and Heritage? I haven't read into the story with great detail -- are the feds just going after him, or can he roll over on someone and take the whole book down?

i havent read into it in great detail either NC

but i wouldnt leave a penny in there....why risk it

[John Dough]

i havent read into it in great detail either NC

but i wouldnt leave a penny in there....why risk it

First you say "business as usual, but only at the very few top big books", then you make the above statement. They're most definitely one of them. You can't have it both ways.

[5mike5]

i said why risk it after the things that have came to light at Legends

i said it's "business as usual" at the very few TOP books, and i said bookmaker and 5dimes....i dont put them in the same top tier as them..

and its my opinion, if i had money there it wouldnt be there now....maybe its nothing but i wouldnt risk it

just what i would do

[TheMoneyShot]

I said this back when BJ and Greek changed their business..... When 5D closes their doors to the US... it's officially over. That's how much trust I have in their operation towards US Players.

[The Kraken]

My views permanently changed after the full tilt fiasco. This was expected. Legends isn't even a big name book, the DOJ isn't going to hang there hat on taking down Legends. Others are soon to follow.

[John Dough]

i said why risk it after the things that have came to light at Legends

i said it's "business as usual" at the very few TOP books, and i said bookmaker and 5dimes....i dont put them in the same top tier as them..

and its my opinion, if i had money there it wouldnt be there now....maybe its nothing but i wouldnt risk it

just what i would do

I thought you meant Heritage, who I would definitely put in the same class as 5D and BM. Maybe you did, still not completely sure. In any case, you are definitely entitled to your opinion.

[vyomguy]

It'll be interesting to see if this comes to fruition. Our government is obviously bothered by the fact that they aren't benefiting from on-line gambling, whether it be poker or sports wagering. How far they take it before it becomes legal so that they can tax the shit out of it is anyone's guess.

The problem is, we're kind of in the "in limbo" stage right now -- which can lead to a lot of volatility, and a lot of unpredictability. Books and accounts can and likely will get wiped out overnight, even if they've been "reputable" in the past. I'm still amazed that people are comfortable with carrying large off-shore balances given how hit and miss everything has been the past few years.

Most top books will allow you to cash out before they close the shop.

[5mike5]

I thought you meant Heritage, who I would definitely put in the same class as 5D and BM. Maybe you did, still not completely sure. In any case, you are definitely entitled to your opinion.

oh no, i would also definatley put heritage in top tier....my wording was bad in previous post

i was meaning i wouldnt put legends up there with bookmaker, dimes, and also heritage

[seaborneq]

Please post what has happened to Legends and other crackdowns. Thanks. I just posted up at legends a few months ago.

[No coincidences]

My views permanently changed after the full tilt fiasco. This was expected. Legends isn't even a big name book, the DOJ isn't going to hang there hat on taking down Legends. Others are soon to follow.

Exactly.

[BennyBigNuts]

Anyone who keeps money on ANY online sportsbook right now is an absolute moron.
It's all getting shut down quick. Yesterday was just a preview after 5 years of planning.
And it's a good thing because everyone running those sites are just scum anyways.
You guys better start finding local bookies ASAP. And good luck with the crappy lines you're gonna get with no bonuses as well lol.
Thank God I'm in Vegas.

[vyomguy]

what happened yesterday?

[John Dough]

oh no, i would also definatley put heritage in top tier....my wording was bad in previous post

i was meaning i wouldnt put legends up there with bookmaker, dimes, and also heritage

Yeah, figured it was just miscommunication. Agree with you.

[John Dough]

It's all getting shut down quick.

Your definition of "quick" differs from most others'.

[darkhat]

what happened yesterday?

get your money off of legends NOWWWWWWWWWW

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-flo...?absolute=true

http://www.wesh.com/blob/view/-/1969...indictment.pdf

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Edit by SBR Forum:

What Legends has stated publicly is that there is no reason for users to be concerned about their funds and history shows in most cases user balances and day to day operations are unaffected. What we know is that indictments relating to gaming where they accept business from US users or have done business within the US is not uncommon. But, players should do what they feel is in their best interest and safest for them.

[konck]

It's a domino effect ....they like anything else go after the weakest links first.
It will all fall eventually. It's going to be made legal I dont see the Govt doing this
to fatten the USA mobs pockets again. I'll say within 2 years we will be playing legal
poker and within 3 or 4 year we will be betting sports. It will be run by legit gaming
companies with profit sharing going towards things like SS. There's no way in the world
you should have anything but hobby money online ......and even with that if you run a
streak and it grows to over 10% of your income cash out. From here on out be safe
be smart the domino's are falling the one's who want to convince you they are not
probably have a reason to do so

[konck]

get your money off of legends NOWWWWWWWWWW

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-flo...?absolute=true

http://www.wesh.com/blob/view/-/1969...indictment.pdf

____________________________

Edit by SBR Forum:

What Legends has stated publicly is that there is no reason for users to be concerned about their funds and history shows in most cases user balances and day to day operations are unaffected. What we know is that indictments relating to gaming where they accept business from US users or have done business within the US is not uncommon. But, players should do what they feel is in their best interest and safest for them.

And would you expect anything elseDid you think they would put out a statement that said RUN!!!!

[darkhat]

And would you expect anything elseDid you think they would put out a statement that said RUN!!!!

I was providing the links for the lion who asked what happened yesterday

i have no money in legends, and if i did i would pull it out

[Smoke]

I was providing the links for the lion who asked what happened yesterday

i have no money in legends, and if i did i would pull it out

Who is the lion?

[easyliving]

have the majority of my off-shore balance @5dimes and I'm not worried a bit. gotta think if your money isn't safe with them it isn't safe with anyone. And besides if I can't gamble at 5dimes at this point I'd rather not gamble at all.

[darkhat]

Who is the lion?

vyomguy has a lion in his avatar and i couldn't remember his name and don't know how to pronounce it

[Smoke]

vyomguy has a lion in his avatar and i couldn't remember his name and don't know how to pronounce it

All hail the lion