SBR "C" rated book/casino stiffing a player for $34k

[raiders72002]

Westland Bowl

To give exact numbers, I deposited $200 and won $34,724 in the end! Heroes Casino gives .3% rebates on the day's wagering on all games! One day I wagered somewhere around $165,000 and they gave me $495 back!

But I haven't heard from Heroes Casino since Monday Nov. 17th after I sent them digital scans of my drivers license and passport. I'm wondering what is going on?

[bigboydan]

You can't say SBR didn't warn all players upfront, Raiders. Anyways, you can have this gentlemen fill out a complaint form if he is in need of some assistance.

heroesCasino enters the SBR rating guide at C.

heroes is owned by one of the former owners of OasisCasino (SBR rating C+). OasisCasino was sold to WWTS (SBR rating C+)/news/" target="_blank" style="color:#0000FF !important;text-decoration:underline;">WWTS (SBR rating C+) for $9.8 million in July of 2006 before Bodog (SBR rating C) acquired WWTS in October of that same year. Like Oasis, heroes is located in Willemstad Curacao. Unlike Oasis, heroes is booking on a -105 reduced juice lineset. Ownership also tells SBR that heroes management has not worked under Oasis and will not confiscate earned, or partially earned, bonuses as Oasis management did on two occasions in 2005. SBR will monitor the new book and its policies. As with all new sportsbooks, players planning to play are advised to proceed with caution and are asked to send all feedback to SBR.

[raiders72002]

You can't say SBR didn't warn all players upfront, Raiders. Anyways, you can have this gentlemen fill out a complaint form if he is in need of some assistance.

I'll shoot it over to him.

[Santo]

Is this the same issue that was posted on a thread here only shortly before you created this new one?

[bigboydan]

Yes it is Santo.

[raiders72002]

Is this the same issue that was posted on a thread here only shortly before you created this new one?

obviously didn't see it.

[moonbeam]

A lot of A or B rated books here at SBR stiffing players.

I would say they are A ore B rated because they are very good in stiffing buisiness.

[durito]

A lot of A or B rated books here at SBR stiffing players.

Name one.

And prove it.

[St.Aquinas]

Name one.

And prove it.

I agree Durito, but didn't BetOnline A- have some recent issues? I could be wrong...however, most books in that range are pretty solid.

Another negative exageration.

[durito]

I agree Durito, but didn't BetOnline A- have some recent issues? I could be wrong...however, most books in that range are pretty solid.

Another negative exageration.

BetOnline has always had issues. That rating is not accurate. And I know moonbean was slow paid. However, he as everyone else that's played there was paid in full. Waiting a couple weeks for a wire is a far cry from being stiffed.

[TheBettingMan]

I am aka Westland Bowl at Casinomeister. Just wanting to add this: Tomorrow (Monday Dec 15th) is when I absolutely should be hearing from Heroes on payout as they have all the digitally scanned documents they requested. I sent the last document upload on Dec 6th but assuming they payout only on Mondays, then Monday would be the fifth business day, the latest they promised they would respond according to their Terms and Conditions.

I realized that Heroes may consider Monday Dec 8th as the day they received my withdrawal request so that would make Monday Dec 15th as the fifth business day.

[bigboydan]

First off, Welcome to the SBR forum

Please keep us posted on your situation and if you feel you are in need of some assistance, please feel free to fill out a complaint form and one of us will inquire to them on your behalf sir.

[raiders72002]

A lot of A or B rated books here at SBR stiffing players.

I would say they are A ore B rated because they are very good in stiffing buisiness.

Not a lot but some in the past.

[bigboydan]

Just an FYI on this complaint.

I did hear that GIQ admin Dirty looked into this issue earlier. He was informed by heroesCasino that they were doing a routine audit on his account like they would on any player that would win this amount of coin. Since he didn't have the players permission, that is all the info the book will tell him at this time.

[TheBettingMan]

Heroes said that they have been trying to reach me all this past week. But I did not receive any email from them (yes, junk folder was checked too.) My caller-ID doesn't show any international calls trying to get through. I don't know what happened.

I called "Joe" at Heroes but I was not able to catch all of what Heroes is going to do (because I have a hearing impairment and wear a hearing aid) and that is why I rather resolve this through email.

But I DID get the gist of this: Heroes asked if I was using a BOT or software in my play. I DID NOT USE A BOT OR SOFTWARE TO PLAY BLACKJACK AT HEROES!!! They asked if I was familiar with Bruce Holway's Cipher program of which I am. However, my computer crashed a long time ago and wiped out the program and Bruce doesn't give or sell the Cipher program anymore. I use paper and pen to play online blackjack using some of the things I've learned from about pattern recognition. The Cipher program is basically software to RECORD the results of your blackjack play. You can visually see the win and loss patterns (if any.) There is NO interacting with the casino's software in the first place. Nevertheless, I don't have it anymore and I use paper and pen. But Bruce and I have a history: He stole $17,600 from me two years ago and the story is recorded on the internet under "Cipher- The Wizard of BJ." The war spread on Casinomeister, Online Players Union, Winner Online, and BlackjackInfo.com. Bruce is an affiliate of Heroes.

Anyways, just because Bruce is a Heroes affiliate and I have an antagonistic relationship with him shouldn't matter to Heroes for it is not their fight. Heroes is supposed to get back with me to determine where we go from here, according to Joe.

[JBC77]

It's a shame when a guy wins, especially in an online casino and then can't collect.

Hopefully U.S lawmakers will one day pull their collective heads out of their a$$es and let this industry become regulated. I wouldn't mind paying taxes on winnings in exchange for 100% safety in payment. If it was regulated it would also become highly competative and players could get better customer services and better bonuses.

That being said, I have never been stiffed by an A book and I play only at A rated books.

[Bill Dozer]

TBM,
The length of processing time is not necessarily a concern but we have asked them about the seemingly irrelevant questions you are being asked during the process.

[dirty]

heroes admitted that he won the money. They are supposed to be sending me all the details from their end tonight or tomorrow. Until TBM gives us permission I can't get much of his info... He is saying there is still a line of communication open with them and hopefully doesn't need anyone.

From what is being told now he should be paid in full, but that is with very little info other than what is on the forums. Hopefully everyone can get this settled and the all are happy.

I will let you know when I hear something as they have had a good working relationship with us at GIQ... but we have not had anyone win that much either... so we will see.

[robmpink]

heroes admitted that he won the money. They are supposed to be sending me all the details from their end tonight or tomorrow. Until TBM gives us permission I can't get much of his info... He is saying there is still a line of communication open with them and hopefully doesn't need anyone.

From what is being told now he should be paid in full, but that is with very little info other than what is on the forums. Hopefully everyone can get this settled and the all are happy.

I will let you know when I hear something as they have had a good working relationship with us at GIQ... but we have not had anyone win that much either... so we will see.

Must be a sponsor at that ghost town of a forum where you now dwell. Hey Dirty, you are far from a trustworthy person anyway. This same guy made me feel bad and said his sister had a miscarriage. Somehow through the grace of god she had a baby a couple of days later. Classy guy.

[dirty]

rob don't bring this sack of lies in this thread... you have a problem with me take it somewhere else... this is not the thread for it... I will not argue this with you because you were contest whoring and got caught.

[raiders72002]

Cliff Notes: Betting Man was using pattern recognition software to win some nice cash at Heroes. Heroe's is trying to figure out a way to stiff this guy and they are feeding Dirty a line of crap.

[dirty]

Again raiders.. you know nothing about this at all and nothing of anything I have found out. Why don't you just keep your mouth shut instead of making things worse for everyone involved

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Cliff Notes: Betting Man was using pattern recognition software to win some nice cash at Heroes.

The problem with that is that to find an excuse to stiff him, they have admit their software is rigged. Otherwise there would be no pattern.

Software used is irreleveant at any genuine casino.

[raiders72002]

The problem with that is that to find an excuse to stiff him, they have admit their software is rigged. Otherwise there would be no pattern.

Software used is irreleveant at any genuine casino.

software is not irrelevant which is why slots are beatable in Vegas.

[Peep]

software is not irrelevant which is why slots are beatable in Vegas.

Yeah, you and fishhead have been cleaning up for years now, rumour has it......

[raiders72002]

Yeah, you and fishhead have been cleaning up for years now, rumour has it......

Fishhead made millions he says. I learned from a guy in Vegas but just observed. I did go to some casinos with Fishhead in Vegas. He does understand it. Did he make millions?

[Ganchrow]

Can you find "pattern recognition" in casino software?

[Peep]

So....

What happened????

[bigboydan]

Don't know what the latest info on this complaint is Peep. The last I heard is the last thing you probably read about it because I wasn't assigned to handle this dispute.

[miss_gorgeous]

It's pretty suspicious when the player doesn't seem to mind getting stiffed on a very simple case. I imagine he has lost a good portion and there will be a zero balance situation soon.

[purecarnagge]

This is odd

[ElCapitan]

I was reading this thread and then found this:

http://www.theblackjackblog.com/

This same thing is right on the front page there, I think.

[Peep]

good find elcapitan.

Strange stuff there too.

[QUOTE]
It’s just come to my attention that Timothy Bell AKAs too numerous to mention on more Gambling Forums than I can keep track of and a person who has been using the CIPHER program for going on 3 to 4 years. Recently posted up $200.00 with HEROES casino and parlayed that $200.00 into roughly $34,000.00.
This is the same Tim Bell who accused yours truly of ripping him off for some $20,000.00 back a couple of years ago and made a point of enlisting the services of none other than the Drunkenmeister Bryan Bailey, Damian ”The Dunce” Dunlap and even Marcus Dalton aka Zengrifter a known and convicted thief of monumental proportion. The long and short of their cumulative efforts having led to all of the aforementioned cast of clowns falling flat on their faces in trying to prove even one charge of the many acts that I was accused of.
To put it more succinctly I’ll quote Tim Bell from just this week when responding to a question from a fellow poster at the Drunkenmeister site: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/28007-heroes-casino-fairest-blackjack-ive-played.html
“Isn’t that reviewer Cipher on theblackjackblog (the guy who you were filing a lawsuit against, who has been banned from the forum)?”
Answer from Tim Bell: “Yep, that is Cipher. I didn’t file a lawsuit against him as there was supposed to be an investigation by the District Attorney of Visalia CA. That didn’t pan out. But I didn’t want to make this thread about Cipher in any case so I didn’t mention the reviewer’s name. ”
Oh, there was an investigation alright Tim Bell and that investigation determined that your complaint WAS WITHOUT MERIT or in laymans terms you and The Drunkenmeister Bryan Bailey, Damian The Dunce Dunlap and Marcus Dalton the Master Thief Zengrifter were all talking out of your rearends and no one of any substance was buying any of your lines of crap. Not the District Attorney, not The Postmaster General, Not the Secret Service and not even The Central Intelligence agency.
Now you have the temerity to broadcast to the world that you’ve won $34,000.00 from HEROES casino, a casino that you would have never known about had it not been for the Cipher program and this website. All of which begs the question. Why is it that you just cannot handle success?
Would it have been too much for you to have executed your withdrawals from HEROES in a timely manner and in accordance with their stated rules rather than fronting off HEROES casinos in the way that you have?
Cipher
Heroes Casino

June 22, 2008 Cipher's take on things, Partnered gaming No Comments As most everyone knows, I started out on the Internet some 10 years ago using the CIPHER program on the original OASIS CASINO & SPORTS BOOK.COM site which for the most part has pretty much ceased to exist after it was bought up originally by BET WWTS and then ultimately BO DOG. I say pretty much ceased to exist, only because of the fact that a group of the guys that were part of the original Oasis Casino & Sports Book site have gone in together and put together a casino known as Heroes Casino at http://www.heroescasino.com .
In the past and even with BO DOG I have chosen not to derive an affiliate income from even back when I actively advertised the Bo Dog brand, but in the case of Heroes Casino, I have elected to set up an affiliate agreement with them mainly because HEROES CASINO is the only casino that I’m aware of that:
1) is available to U.S. players with a wager window as high as $20,000.00 per hand on Blackjack.
2) HEROES CASINO is the only casino available to U.S. players that I’m aware of with a staff of people working for them that can actually handle the type of clientèle that are financially capable of playing in the big leagues.
3) Additionally, these guys have put together a pretty straight up bonus for new players. Now, I’ll tell you right now Heroes Casino bonus is not the typical “mooch bonus” as you’ll actually need to have the wherewithall to post up your deposit first and then after you’ve made your play through requirements you’ll receive your 100% bonus up to $500.00 without any further restrictions of any kind. Additionally, Heroes Casino rewards ALL CASINO ACTION with a .3% Daily Cash Back rewards without restrictions of any kind. Some pretty novel ideas, heh?
Do yourselves a favor and go to http://www.heroescasino.com and check out their new member bonus. As bonuses go, I think you’ll be impressed.
Or, if you’re like me, you’ll avoid the bonus altogether and play without restrictions of any kind on your funds. All you’ll need to do is let the customer service folks there at Heroes Casino know prior to making your first deposit that you do not want to partake of the new player bonus as offered on their website.
Pretty simple stuff, have a good one.
Cipher

<DIV class=post id=post-8>Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre

February 27, 2008 Cipher's take on things No Comments <SPAN class=entry>In advance of setting up this Blog, I decided to deposit $300.00 on account with bodoglife.com on Valentine’s Day February 14, 2008, with an eye towards achieving a target goal of $5,000.00 There was no bonus expected or received with regards the aforementioned deposit as I feel bonuses of any kind and casinos are a losing combination from the start. Inasmuch as I wanted to treat this experiment as a primer for those unfamiliar with Trend Analysis and the Cipher program, I reasoned that an Average Joe’s start of $300.00 would be more easily related to by the masses than that of the oftentimes larger amounts that I play with in advising offshore players in legal jurisdictions through a worldwide venue of Cipher labs.

<STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Lastly, for clarity purposes, I decided to memorialize every single detail of these sessions through the means of the Camtasia video capture program.

[Peep]

[quote=Peep;1455801]good find elcapitan.

Strange stuff there too.

It’s just come to my attention that Timothy Bell AKAs too numerous to mention on more Gambling Forums than I can keep track of and a person who has been using the CIPHER program for going on 3 to 4 years. Recently posted up $200.00 with HEROES casino and parlayed that $200.00 into roughly $34,000.00.
This is the same Tim Bell who accused yours truly of ripping him off for some $20,000.00 back a couple of years ago and made a point of enlisting the services of none other than the Drunkenmeister Bryan Bailey, Damian ”The Dunce” Dunlap and even Marcus Dalton aka Zengrifter a known and convicted thief of monumental proportion. The long and short of their cumulative efforts having led to all of the aforementioned cast of clowns falling flat on their faces in trying to prove even one charge of the many acts that I was accused of.
To put it more succinctly I’ll quote Tim Bell from just this week when responding to a question from a fellow poster at the Drunkenmeister site: http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/28007-heroes-casino-fairest-blackjack-ive-played.html
“Isn’t that reviewer Cipher on theblackjackblog (the guy who you were filing a lawsuit against, who has been banned from the forum)?”
Answer from Tim Bell: “Yep, that is Cipher. I didn’t file a lawsuit against him as there was supposed to be an investigation by the District Attorney of Visalia CA. That didn’t pan out. But I didn’t want to make this thread about Cipher in any case so I didn’t mention the reviewer’s name. ”
Oh, there was an investigation alright Tim Bell and that investigation determined that your complaint WAS WITHOUT MERIT or in laymans terms you and The Drunkenmeister Bryan Bailey, Damian The Dunce Dunlap and Marcus Dalton the Master Thief Zengrifter were all talking out of your rearends and no one of any substance was buying any of your lines of crap. Not the District Attorney, not The Postmaster General, Not the Secret Service and not even The Central Intelligence agency.
Now you have the temerity to broadcast to the world that you’ve won $34,000.00 from HEROES casino, a casino that you would have never known about had it not been for the Cipher program and this website. All of which begs the question. Why is it that you just cannot handle success?
Would it have been too much for you to have executed your withdrawals from HEROES in a timely manner and in accordance with their stated rules rather than fronting off HEROES casinos in the way that you have?
Cipher
Heroes Casino

June 22, 2008 Cipher's take on things, Partnered gaming No Comments As most everyone knows, I started out on the Internet some 10 years ago using the CIPHER program on the original OASIS CASINO & SPORTS BOOK.COM site which for the most part has pretty much ceased to exist after it was bought up originally by BET WWTS and then ultimately BO DOG. I say pretty much ceased to exist, only because of the fact that a group of the guys that were part of the original Oasis Casino & Sports Book site have gone in together and put together a casino known as Heroes Casino at http://www.heroescasino.com .
In the past and even with BO DOG I have chosen not to derive an affiliate income from even back when I actively advertised the Bo Dog brand, but in the case of Heroes Casino, I have elected to set up an affiliate agreement with them mainly because HEROES CASINO is the only casino that I’m aware of that:
1) is available to U.S. players with a wager window as high as $20,000.00 per hand on Blackjack.
2) HEROES CASINO is the only casino available to U.S. players that I’m aware of with a staff of people working for them that can actually handle the type of clientèle that are financially capable of playing in the big leagues.
3) Additionally, these guys have put together a pretty straight up bonus for new players. Now, I’ll tell you right now Heroes Casino bonus is not the typical “mooch bonus” as you’ll actually need to have the wherewithall to post up your deposit first and then after you’ve made your play through requirements you’ll receive your 100% bonus up to $500.00 without any further restrictions of any kind. Additionally, Heroes Casino rewards ALL CASINO ACTION with a .3% Daily Cash Back rewards without restrictions of any kind. Some pretty novel ideas, heh?
Do yourselves a favor and go to http://www.heroescasino.com and check out their new member bonus. As bonuses go, I think you’ll be impressed.
Or, if you’re like me, you’ll avoid the bonus altogether and play without restrictions of any kind on your funds. All you’ll need to do is let the customer service folks there at Heroes Casino know prior to making your first deposit that you do not want to partake of the new player bonus as offered on their website.
Pretty simple stuff, have a good one.
Cipher

<DIV class=post id=post-8>Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre

February 27, 2008 Cipher's take on things No Comments <SPAN class=entry>In advance of setting up this Blog, I decided to deposit $300.00 on account with bodoglife.com on Valentine’s Day February 14, 2008, with an eye towards achieving a target goal of $5,000.00 There was no bonus expected or received with regards the aforementioned deposit as I feel bonuses of any kind and casinos are a losing combination from the start. Inasmuch as I wanted to treat this experiment as a primer for those unfamiliar with Trend Analysis and the Cipher program, I reasoned that an Average Joe’s start of $300.00 would be more easily related to by the masses than that of the oftentimes larger amounts that I play with in advising offshore players in legal jurisdictions through a worldwide venue of Cipher labs.

<Lastly, for clarity purposes, I decided to memorialize every single detail of these sessions through the means of the Camtasia video capture program.

[TheBettingMan]

If you want to know the story behind my foolishness of giving Bruce Holway (aka Cipher) $20,000, then google "Cipher- The Wizard of BJ" and you will find the looong threads at Casinomeister, Online Players Union, Winner Online, and several threads on BlackjackInfo.com. This was from two years ago.

But my story with Bruce has nothing to do with my winnings at Heroes Casino other than I used various betting strategies I learned during the time I was friendly with him.