lebron couldnt even wipe mj's azz

[stevenash]

outrageous

1	Larry Bird*	2171	29148	19847	9301	.681	February 19, 2013, 7:41PM
2	Hakeem Olajuwon*	2106	30445	20033	10412	.658	February 19, 2013, 7:55PM
3	Julius Erving*	2093	27749	16584	11165	.598	February 19, 2013, 7:50PM
4	Michael Jordan*	2093	27234	20352	6882	.747	February 19, 2013, 7:57PM
5	Tim Duncan	2068	28852	17219	11633	.597	February 19, 2013, 8:04PM
6	Moses Malone*	2065	26228	15186	11042	.579	February 19, 2013, 7:41PM
7	Karl Malone*	2054	26662	15882	10780	.596	February 19, 2013, 7:49PM
8	David Robinson*	2054	26936	15991	10945	.594	February 19, 2013, 7:50PM
9	Shaquille O'Neal	2046	30453	17133	13320	.563	February 19, 2013, 7:55PM
10	Oscar Robertson*	2029	26009	15998	10011	.615	February 19, 2013, 8:00PM
11	Bill Russell*	2029	26402	15992	10410	.606	February 19, 2013, 7:39PM
12	Bob Pettit*	2022	25094	13670	11424	.545	February 19, 2013, 7:42PM
13	Magic Johnson*	2021	41618	30196	11422	.726	February 19, 2013, 8:01PM
14	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*	2020	28799	17825	10974	.619	February 19, 2013, 7:33PM
15	Kevin Durant	2019	701	481	220	.686	February 19, 2013, 8:03PM
16	Wilt Chamberlain*	2016	31981	18656	13325	.583	February 19, 2013, 7:40PM
17	Charles Barkley*	2009	27257	16132	11125	.592	February 19, 2013, 7:44PM
18	LeBron James	2009	32559	19168	13391	.589	February 19, 2013, 7:02PM
19	Kevin Garnett	2008	29985	17402	12583	.580	February 19, 2013, 7:56PM
20	Pete Maravich*	2004	25671	14050	11621	.547	February 19, 2013, 8:00PM

[19th Hole]

Chamberlain not even close to David Robinson

4

Michael Jordan*

2093

27234

20352

6882

.747

February 19, 2013, 7:57PM

[stevenash]

The rating I posted are ELO. (How they rate chess players)

[Mitchell88]

Bird is the man

[InTheDrink]

nasher do you know how they come up with those numbers?

nasher i was voting on those the other night myself

[InTheDrink]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/elo.cgi

have a ball gueye

[lock$mith]

That list is based off win %. That has nothing to do with what were talking about in this discussion

[InTheDrink]

That list is based off win %. That has nothing to do with what were talking about in this discussion

its not team win % if thats what youre trying to say

[lock$mith]

That list is based off win % and games played. That has nothing to do with what were talking about in this discussion

[InTheDrink]

That list is based off win % and games played. That has nothing to do with what were talking about in this discussion

no it isnt

you think larry bird played almost 30,000 games?

get a clue

[lock$mith]

No, that's his rating for games played. I would have to be as dumb as celticboy to think bird played 30,000 games. The list is bullshyt. It has nothing to do with who the best player of all time is. If you think the dream is number 2 all time, your a fukkin retard

[stevenash]

NBA Elo Player Ratings

About the NBA Elo Player Ratings ▪ Rate Some Matchups ▪ View the Ratings
The Elo rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player games. The creator of the system, Arpad Elo, was a professor of physics at Marquette University who wanted an improved chess rating system. Although the system has its roots in chess, today it is used in many other games.
We decided to take Elo's work and apply it to the ranking of basketball players. Our player pool consists of all NBA players who meet at least one of the following career criteria:

• 10,000 points
• 5,000 rebounds
• 2,500 assists
• 1,000 steals plus blocks

All players have an initial rating of 1500 points. These ratings are then updated by randomly selecting pairs of players and having them "play" each other.
We start by computing the win probabilities for each player (let's call them A and B):

P(A wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((RB - RA) / 400))P(B wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((RA - RB) / 400))where RA = rating for A RB = rating for B</pre>After the winner has been determined, the ratings of the two players are adjusted. If A wins the match then the new ratings are:

RA_new = RA + K * P(B wins)RB_new = RB - K * P(B wins)</pre>The "K" above stands for the "K-factor" and has a value of 24. (The K-factor was later changed to 10 --Ed.)
While if B wins the match then the new ratings are:

RA_new = RA - K * P(A wins)RB_new = RB + K * P(A wins)</pre>For example, suppose Michael Jordan ("MJ") has a rating of 2500 and Wilt Chamberlain ("WC") has a rating of 2450. The win probabilities for each player are:

P(MJ wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((2450 - 2500) / 400)) = 0.571P(WC wins) = 1 / (1 + 10^((2500 - 2450) / 400)) = 0.429</pre>If MJ wins then the new ratings are:

MJ_new = 2500 + 24 * 0.429 = 2510WC_new = 2450 - 24 * 0.429 = 2440</pre>While if WC wins then the new ratings are:

MJ_new = 2500 - 24 * 0.571 = 2486WC_new = 2450 + 24 * 0.571 = 2464</pre>Here are a few more notes about the way we have chosen to implement the Elo rating system:

• This is a community-based project with the goal of rating the best players in NBA history. In each matchup, the user should choose the player who they believe was the better player. It is up to the user to determine how much weight to give to offense versus defense, peak value versus career value, regular season versus playoffs, etc.
• Before opening this up to the public we simulated 100,000 matchups in order to give the players more realistic starting ratings. These starting ratings do not necessarily represent the opinions of the owners of this site.
• Pairs are not chosen completely at random. The first player is randomly selected to begin the process. Following that, a second player with a rating within 250 points of the first player is randomly selected to complete the pair. We did this in order to prevent bizarre choices (e.g., Manute Bol over Bill Russell) from distorting the ratings.

[InTheDrink]

No, that's his rating for games played. I would have to be as dumb as celticboy to think bird played 30,000 games. The list is bullshyt. It has nothing to do with who the best player of all time is. If you think the dream is number 2 all time, your a fukkin retard

click the link guey

its user voting

its totally irrelevant

not sure why you think you know what it is and you dont

[PhillyFlyers]

Lebron is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, post player, ball handler. He can play point, power forward, shooting guard, and small forward which also means he's the more versatile player than Jordan too.

[lakerboy]

lebron is an above average player but he is really good in this league cause he is much bigger and stronger than the rest and gets a foul call if he is looked at.

[opie1988]

Bird is the man

Yep.

I knew a white guy had to be the GOAT.

As it should be.....

[lakerboy]

lol bird. guy did lots for the game but he was just a great shooter. he played on one of the most stacked teams ever.

[t-wizzle]

Lebron is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, post player, ball handler. He can play point, power forward, shooting guard, and small forward which also means he's the more versatile player than Jordan too.

Stick to hockey.

[t-wizzle]

Stick to hockey.

Nevermind forgot you suck at that too.

[greenhippo]

I would put MJ somewhere around 6th or 7th all time.
He was great for sure but he also played during the era
where super-stardom was being promoted as a marketing tool.
Also, he was never challenged as physically as the old battle
axes were. I don't think he had the strength to be the same
level of star if he played 10 years earlier when the refs would
allow more.
I also do not believe the comparisons with Lebron are off-base.
LeBron is superior to MJ in some ways.

Right in every point except one. MJ WAS challenged. Celtics whopped that ass.

[lock$mith]

Chamberlain better than MJ? lol.

Chamberlain not even close to Hakeem. Chamberlain is lucky if he's in the top 10-15 of all time, put it that way.

Goat milk, hakeem would of never won a ring if mj retired before he came back. Mj would have won 8 in a row. The dream none. What does that tell you? If you can't spell it out, I don't know what to tell you. All I can say is you are a complete fukkin idiot

[lifeisgood]

Crybaby Lebron, Accolades Wilt &amp; Russell the indomitable force

Agreed ,Wilt got accolades, i would only add that Russell had the character along with a yeomans work ethic to get those rings! And Lebron still got a mucho long way to go before even being mentioned in same breathe as MJ!