Biggest Fraud on SBR...

[Panic]

I will throw out 3 names. If you want to add any, please do so.

1.ZBOIZ
2.Keystone
3.This is tough.....Nicky would say LT. Some would say Iwin. May be even VegasDave(because he doesnt bet his plays). I like all those guys though. My 3rd would be Pat V. No way he has money to bet the money he does.

[SlickFazzer]

Can't see how Patty has lost 30k at age 20 betting sports.

[ZBOIZ]

Maybe the frauds are the one's who is steady wasting there time reading through everyone thread waiting to bash them.

[Iwinyourmoney]

Iwin a fraud? I was on a cold streak, how can I be a fraud?

[Panic]

Z- still waiting for that 2nd half play, buddy.

[rjt721]

Nicky.

[mmike032]

i wouldnt say Iwin should be on that list.
he doesnt run around touting his picks from what I have seen. and when he loses he doesnt blame it on the turf/court/or clay

[Panic]

Iwin- You know how things went with all the shit over last years record. With all the first half/game correlated bets. I like ya. I think its solid, but alot of posters were not sold.

[ZBOIZ]

Iwin a fraud? I was on a cold streak, how can I be a fraud?

Panic a hoe! He sit on here and bash people.....


Instead of helping people he rather click on every thread and talk about the next person. People like him should be banned from SBR because they serve no purpose. He just a behind the computer pussy!

[Iwinyourmoney]

Iwin- You know how things went with all the shit over last years record. With all the first half/game correlated bets. I like ya. I think its solid, but alot of posters were not sold.

ahhh gotcha, forgot about all that

[Panic]

Panic a hoe! He sit on here and bash people.....


Instead of helping people he rather click on every thread and talk about the next person. People like him should be banned from SBR because they serve no purpose. He just a behind the computer pussy!

lol. call a mod. they may save you.

[ZBOIZ]

lol. call a mod. they may save you.

I love your will to make me look like a bad man on the BIG TIME SBR

You is the lamest person I have ever met

[bigboydan]

call a mod. they may save you.

Maybe or maybe not. Depends if and who he calls upon sir.

[dle]

Whoever that guy is who just posted to bet the house on Tulsa (-16) on the road.

[onthewhat]

LT Profits for running a tout service

[Panic]

Maybe or maybe not. Depends if and who he calls upon sir.

Lets see who he goes for. Would love to see Nicky's odds on this.

[SlickFazzer]

Mike Corbin when he converted to the Church last summer.

[bigboydan]

Lets see who he goes for. Would love to see Nicky's odds on this.

Somehow I kinda figured you would sir.

Ok, Lets see some odds on this one Mr.Nicky.

[VegasDave]

I will throw out 3 names. If you want to add any, please do so.

1.ZBOIZ
2.Keystone
3.This is tough.....Nicky would say LT. Some would say Iwin. May be even VegasDave(because he doesnt bet his plays). I like all those guys though. My 3rd would be Pat V. No way he has money to bet the money he does.

How could I qualify as a fraud? I'm honest about being broke, I don't magically keep coming up with thousands of dollars like some guys around here. Trust me, if I were making more than $160 a week, I'd be betting. But I don't think its fair to consider me a fraud simply because I'm broke, I'm nothing but honest around here.

I like you too though

[Panic]

How could I qualify as a fraud? I'm honest about being broke, I don't magically keep coming up with thousands of dollars like some guys around here. Trust me, if I were making more than $160 a week, I'd be betting. But I don't think its fair to consider me a fraud simply because I'm broke, I'm nothing but honest around here.

I like you too though

Dave, no offense buddy....but you know alot of posters here dont like that you make picks and dont put money on it. You have to admit, it isnt very reliable. You have nothing to lose....posters that follow you do. When they lose, they will attack VegasDave.....am I right? They have already.

[VegasDave]

Dave, no offense buddy....but you know alot of posters here dont like that you make picks and dont put money on it. You have to admit, it isnt very reliable. You have nothing to lose....posters that follow you do. When they lose, they will attack VegasDave.....am I right? They have already.

Even without money on games, I'd argue I put as much if not more time into handicapping then most people do around here.

I provide write-ups for every single NFL game (don't think I've seen anyone else do that, especially not for free) and I give my best picks for the week in college and all the reasons why I like those games.

I never use words like lock, sure winner, etc. I just provide information and insight on games that people can choose to follow or fade, but at the very least they are getting a fresh opinion on the game. I really see no reason why anyone should have any problem with what I do. I'm trying to be helpful.

Furthermore;

fraud
–noun
1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

I still say I am not in the least bit deceitful, unfair, or dishonest

[Panic]

Dave- once again, you are on a gambling forum. you are providing write ups for games that you dont even bet on. It doesnt matter if you have the money or not. If you dont have the money...dont do the write ups. Its not right. Posters are following your plays and losing their bankroll. You know what you say? "Oh well, I told you guys I dont have the money". Stop posting plays until you put something at risk yourself. that would be my say. I like ya and hope it comes to that. Where you are putting money on your plays and at risk like the guys that follow your plays.

[MastaB]

I will throw out 3 names. If you want to add any, please do so.

1.ZBOIZ
2.Keystone
3.This is tough.....Nicky would say LT. Some would say Iwin. May be even VegasDave(because he doesnt bet his plays). I like all those guys though. My 3rd would be Pat V. No way he has money to bet the money he does.

ZBOIZ by a mile....

Keystone is just a joke!

[dwaechte]

Panic doesn't like ZBOIZ? Shocker.

[Panic]

I just call it as I see it, D.

[VegasDave]

Dave- once again, you are on a gambling forum. you are providing write ups for games that you dont even bet on. It doesnt matter if you have the money or not. If you dont have the money...dont do the write ups. Its not right. Posters are following your plays and losing their bankroll. You know what you say? "Oh well, I told you guys I dont have the money". Stop posting plays until you put something at risk yourself. that would be my say. I like ya and hope it comes to that. Where you are putting money on your plays and at risk like the guys that follow your plays.

So if I put money on my picks it makes my analysis more valid?

"It isn't right" that I have an opinion on games?

People can bet whatever they want. They can obviously pass my thread up if they want to. If they choose to agree with my write-up and bet the game, how is it my fault if it loses? They made the conscious decision to follow it. They could have bet anything they wanted, I didn't put a gun to your head.

And by the way, you keep saying I'm losing people money, my NFL picks (every game ATS) are at 53.8%, so if you were fvcking crazy enough to tail me and bet every single NFL game this year, you'd actually be in the green right now...

And my philosophy picks are 14 - 5, hitting over 70% so far...

Not saying people should or shouldn't tail me, but if they have been, they aren't doing nearly as badly as you make them out to be.

If your opinion is the majority opinion around here, that I shouldn't post my plays, I'd be more than happy to leave... I was under the impression that discussion on games was encouraged on a gambling forum.

[Panic]

So if I put money on my picks it makes my analysis more valid?

"It isn't right" that I have an opinion on games?

People can bet whatever they want. They can obviously pass my thread up if they want to. If they choose to agree with my write-up and bet the game, how is it my fault if it loses? They made the conscious decision to follow it. They could have bet anything they wanted, I didn't put a gun to your head.

And by the way, you keep saying I'm losing people money, my NFL picks (every game ATS) are at 53.8%, so if you were fvcking crazy enough to tail me and bet every single NFL game this year, you'd actually be in the green right now...

And my philosophy picks are 14 - 5, hitting over 70% so far...

Not saying people should or shouldn't tail me, but if they have been, they aren't doing nearly as badly as you make them out to be.

If your opinion is the majority opinion around here, that I shouldn't post my plays, I'd be more than happy to leave... I was under the impression that discussion on games was encouraged on a gambling forum.

Yes. And you are taking things personally. I say this, not to hurt you, but once again...You are on a gambling forum. you provide picks. Posters follow. you have nothing at risk. They do. Bottomline, Dave. I dont know if my opinion is the majority, but I think I am saying things that alot of posters feel. once again, Dave....to me, it doesnt matter. i have never followed one of your picks. Ever. I like your write ups....think you're a good guy. But people take gambling seriously....and they should. This is alot of guys livihood. When you dont have anything at risk....you dont feel the pressure and you dont understand when players do.

[VegasDave]

Yes. And you are taking things personally. I say this, not to hurt you, but once again...You are on a gambling forum. you provide picks. Posters follow. you have nothing at risk. They do. Bottomline, Dave. I dont know if my opinion is the majority, but I think I am saying things that alot of posters feel. once again, Dave....to me, it doesnt matter. i have never followed one of your picks. Ever. I like your write ups....think you're a good guy. But people take gambling seriously....and they should. This is alot of guys livihood. When you dont have anything at risk....you dont feel the pressure and you dont understand when players do.

And why haven't you followed my picks?

Because you cap for yourself? Makes sense to me.

You talk about this being guys livelihoods, and people taking gambling very seriously. Are these the people that blindly tail picks?

If someone makes the decision to tail someone's picks, that is their decision. They are adults that can decide for themselves if they want to cap games themselves, blindly follow posted picks, or whatever else they want to do.

If some decides to tail my picks, they likely would tail someone else's, too. I'd rather give someone who likes to tail picks a detailed write-up and reasoning behind my pick, as opposed to them tailing someone who without a word of reason says BET INDY -4.5 TOMORROW ITS A LOCK BET YOUR HOUSE ON IT!

[pavyracer]

Panic,

What vegasdave does with his posting picks is the equivalent of fantasy gambling (like fantasy football) or picking lottery numbers without bying the actual tickets from the store.

Without any money on the line he is a fraud.

[Panic]

And why haven't you followed my picks?

Because you cap for yourself? Makes sense to me.

You talk about this being guys livelihoods, and people taking gambling very seriously. Are these the people that blindly tail picks?

If someone makes the decision to tail someone's picks, that is their decision. They are adults that can decide for themselves if they want to cap games themselves, blindly follow posted picks, or whatever else they want to do.

If some decides to tail my picks, they likely would tail someone else's, too. I'd rather give someone who likes to tail picks a detailed write-up and reasoning behind my pick, as opposed to them tailing someone who without a word of reason says BET INDY -4.5 TOMORROW ITS A LOCK BET YOUR HOUSE ON IT!

Dave, very simple question here. Did you...or did you not bump your thread today and tell people...adamantly to take the Over on Akron/Temple? What did you lose on the game? Why did you bump your thread and push posters to take it, if they can make their own choice?

[Panic]

Are you gonna cover their losses on that game, Dave?

[rjt721]

So you're telling me VegasDave spends all that time writing up his plays, making videos, posting his picks on several different forums and he's not even betting these games? Wow. I mean, Dave, if you're really out of money, stop spending so much time 'capping games and get (another) job.

[VegasDave]

Are you gonna cover their losses on that game, Dave?

Are they going to pay me for the Texas winner Thursday?

Or the 2 - 1 NFL day Thursday?

I liked the pick dude. It lost. It happens. I don't pick 98% winners.

I'm going to start betting a dime on every game tomorrow. Am I off the hook now?

[Panic]

Are they going to pay me for the Texas winner Thursday?

Or the 2 - 1 NFL day Thursday?

I liked the pick dude. It lost. It happens. I don't pick 98% winners.

I'm going to start betting a dime on every game tomorrow. Am I off the hook now?

Dave, you are off here buddy. You are trying to justify making selections and when they lose and posters lose money...you have no accountability. Wrong. Thats bullshit, Dave. Love the vids, but you have to be held accountable when posters follow your picks and lose money. you have nothing invested. NOTHING. Thats wrong, Dave.

[ZBOIZ]

This is to funny!!!