Hillary and Rahm: Bad Start for Obama

[ritehook]

Back in August I called for Hillary to be Sec of State (and pulled the old thread as a boast).

But this is bad news for "change" fans.

Hil is a war-favoring, regime-changing imperialist. Imperialism = endless war. And imperialism + ultimate bankruptcy.

It was she, for instance, who urged Bill to bomb Serbia, for no clear American strategic interest. (Giving birth to the bandit state of Kosovo - a preview of what will happen in California once the Mexican revanchists get it into gear. Maybe then Russia or China will bomb us, in sympathy with Mexxico.)

Rahm Emanuel is also a warhawk, and regime-changing fan.
His bias in the ME is ethnic. Hillary's is opportunist - she lays down and spreads 'em wide when K Street comes a'callin.

As great comic Jackie Mason said during the campaign about Obama: "He's for change? Like what? Change his tie? Change his underwear? What, what change?" (Works better when uttered in Mason's inimitable NYC alrightnik accent.)

Bad start for this alleged agent-of-change. Sure as hell glad i didnt vote

[ritehook]

Last spring in NYC I caught Jackie Mason's Broadway show, THE ULTIMATE JEW (that's what he calls it, see his website)

Guy is a consummate professional comic, with the great Lower East Side accent, the facial expresssions, the whole 9 yds.

Mason is also an Arab-hating Israel-first expansionist. He wants to either expel or (presumably) kill all Palestinians in "eretz Israel."

And once, in a Chicago club where he was headlining, he got the opening act, a Palestinian-descended comic, fired.

Bad guy, but a helluva funny man. I think he's on tour, catch him if you can.

[wtf]

do you think his choice of chief of staff is to quell the "muslim" tag some were painting him with?

[Tchocky]

Rahm Emanuel and Hillary Clinton are both highly competent and qualified people but Obama's cabinet is beginning to have a "I love the 90's" feeling.

[dr03]

and i loved the 90's. clinton was the best president i've ever lived under. I prospered way more than then under Bush's dictatorship. We had a thriving dollar, a surplus. Yea, Bubba slept with a ho in Lewsinky but shit I could care less.

[wtf]

your thanking the wrong bill, you meant bill GATES

[EBSB52]

Back in August I called for Hillary to be Sec of State (and pulled the old thread as a boast).

But this is bad news for "change" fans.

Hil is a war-favoring, regime-changing imperialist. Imperialism = endless war. And imperialism + ultimate bankruptcy.

It was she, for instance, who urged Bill to bomb Serbia, for no clear American strategic interest. (Giving birth to the bandit state of Kosovo - a preview of what will happen in California once the Mexican revanchists get it into gear. Maybe then Russia or China will bomb us, in sympathy with Mexxico.)

Rahm Emanuel is also a warhawk, and regime-changing fan.
His bias in the ME is ethnic. Hillary's is opportunist - she lays down and spreads 'em wide when K Street comes a'callin.

As great comic Jackie Mason said during the campaign about Obama: "He's for change? Like what? Change his tie? Change his underwear? What, what change?" (Works better when uttered in Mason's inimitable NYC alrightnik accent.)

Bad start for this alleged agent-of-change. Sure as hell glad i didnt vote

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Back in August I called for Hillary to be Sec of State (and pulled the old thread as a boast).

But this is bad news for "change" fans.

Hil is a war-favoring, regime-changing imperialist. Imperialism = endless war. And imperialism + ultimate bankruptcy.



Nah, Obama's his own man, he won't let the ole battle ax input a thing. The change is gonna be the departure from Iraq and raising of taxes for the rich.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It was she, for instance, who urged Bill to bomb Serbia, for no clear American strategic interest. (Giving birth to the bandit state of Kosovo - a preview of what will happen in California once the Mexican revanchists get it into gear. Maybe then Russia or China will bomb us, in sympathy with Mexxico.)


I'm assuming that's sarcasm. As well, IF she urged Billto bomb Seribia; if, who knows/who cares, here we are and Obama is his own man, makes his own decisions. If she got stupid he would fire her and look good doing it, look good to all parties and gain cred.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rahm Emanuel is also a warhawk, and regime-changing fan.
His bias in the ME is ethnic. Hillary's is opportunist - she lays down and spreads 'em wide when K Street comes a'callin.



So what, even if it's true which you have not evidenced, he's Chief of Staff, no input to foreign matters.

What I see here is that you would poo-poo anything Obama does, as well, you probablay approved of Bush and thought McCain's selection of Palin was a good one. Get over it, you get to ride that same train I'm getting off after the last 8 years and 12 years prior to that with an 8-year break. Deal with it.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.As great comic Jackie Mason said during the campaign about Obama: "He's for change? Like what? Change his tie? Change his underwear? What, what change?" (Works better when uttered in Mason's inimitable NYC alrightnik accent.)


How about making the rich pay their share, now about getting out of Iraq? How about getting healthcare for all Americans?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bad start for this alleged agent-of-change. Sure as hell glad i didnt vote


You didn't vote; don't bitch

[EBSB52]

and i loved the 90's. clinton was the best president i've ever lived under. I prospered way more than then under Bush's dictatorship. We had a thriving dollar, a surplus. Yea, Bubba slept with a ho in Lewsinky but shit I could care less.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>clinton was the best president i've ever lived under.


A lot of women said that too


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yea, Bubba slept with a ho in Lewsinky but shit I could care less.


The really stupid thing when I hear Repubs call Clinton scum for this is that they refer to it as a lie, not a BJ. OK, CLinton was impeached for 2 of the 4 counts before him, obstruction of Justice and perjury. This was a political proceding with a simple majority being all that was required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Scooter Libby was found guilty in a criminal procedure requiring the highest standard of proff, beyond a reasonable doubt for 1 count of obstruction of justice, 2 counts of perjury, and of making false statements to federal investigators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby

These two cases were similar in that they included perjury and obstruction as their basis, yet the "harm done" scale is enormous for Libby, in that his case dealt with revealing teh identity of a federal agent, Clinton's was exclusively sexual that did not inlcude any other attributes such as young girls, rape, etc.

So in summary,

- Clinton committed a harmelss act, lied about it, was indicted by a political GJ, then absolved.


- Libby committed and was criminally indicted for a dangerous act, tried and convicted of 4 of 5 charges, obstruction and perjury, and sentenced.


The ensuing act is very bothersome and this is where neo-con idiots need to STFU about the BJ; Libby had his sentence commuted by Bush, pardon no doubt comming Jan 15th-ish. Hopefully this won't damage his legacy How stupid do Bush-voters feel?


And to make this even more sleezy, Bush had a personal interest in Libby in that Libby was his Assistant to the President of the United States, George W. Bush, Chief of Staff to the Vice President of the United States, Dick Cheney, and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs. He held these postions when he committed the crimes and they stemmed from revealing Vallery Plame's name due to her husband writing bad things, AKA the truth about Bush. It was strict retaliation, so that makes it more sleezy in case it isn't sleezy enough.


Point is, neo-cons, STFU about BJ-gate, your house is much dirtier.

[reno cool]

Back in August I called for Hillary to be Sec of State (and pulled the old thread as a boast).

But this is bad news for "change" fans.

Hil is a war-favoring, regime-changing imperialist. Imperialism = endless war. And imperialism + ultimate bankruptcy.

It was she, for instance, who urged Bill to bomb Serbia, for no clear American strategic interest. (Giving birth to the bandit state of Kosovo - a preview of what will happen in California once the Mexican revanchists get it into gear. Maybe then Russia or China will bomb us, in sympathy with Mexxico.)

Rahm Emanuel is also a warhawk, and regime-changing fan.
His bias in the ME is ethnic. Hillary's is opportunist - she lays down and spreads 'em wide when K Street comes a'callin.

As great comic Jackie Mason said during the campaign about Obama: "He's for change? Like what? Change his tie? Change his underwear? What, what change?" (Works better when uttered in Mason's inimitable NYC alrightnik accent.)

Bad start for this alleged agent-of-change. Sure as hell glad i didnt vote

I believe you're right. In your original thread I asserted that Clinton is too dangerous as VP. Secretary of State is a much more important position.
First we avoided her as possible pres, then as VP. Now she sneaks in anyway. Bad news.
She goes right to where she's likely to cause most damage: diplomacy.

[jjgold]

Many experts say if we pull out of Iraq it gets taken over very quickly by militant regime

What does she do?

[EBSB52]

I believe you're right. In your original thread I asserted that Clinton is too dangerous as VP. Secretary of State is a much more important position.
First we avoided her as possible pres, then as VP. Now she sneaks in anyway. Bad news.
She goes right to where she's likely to cause most damage: diplomacy.

Which makes no sense since the world loved the Clinton's. Just because you dislike the Clinton's doesn't mean you can revise history. Clinton was good for the economy, he was good for world relations and generally good for most things. Show me an argument that Clinton(s) were bad via acts rather than opinion.

[EBSB52]

Many experts say if we pull out of Iraq it gets taken over very quickly by militant regime

What does she do?

She has little say.

Also, you can take that statement and transpose it for 5 years from now, 10 years, 20 years, etc. How many billions/trillions do we spend? Gotta cut teh losses and watch the fireworks.

[purecarnagge]

incase republicans didn't get the memo... You aren't in the publics favor at the moment. STFU and reorganize.

[reno cool]

Which makes no sense since the world loved the Clinton's. Just because you dislike the Clinton's doesn't mean you can revise history. Clinton was good for the economy, he was good for world relations and generally good for most things. Show me an argument that Clinton(s) were bad via acts rather than opinion.

Invasion of Kosovo. Expansion of Nato. Iraqi sanctions. Look I hate the Republicans, but if you think Bush reinvented American foreign policy you're crazy. Many countries were a lot weaker during the Clinton era than they are now, especially Russia.
Hillary has made negative statements about foreign countries which were inappropriate. I feel that she feels a need to prove her toughness, and that is not a formula for peace.

[reno cool]

Many experts say if we pull out of Iraq it gets taken over very quickly by militant regime

What does she do?

Trust me. We are not pulling out until a stable puppet regime is secure in Iraq.

[McBa1n]

Back in August I called for Hillary to be Sec of State (and pulled the old thread as a boast).

But this is bad news for "change" fans.

Hil is a war-favoring, regime-changing imperialist. Imperialism = endless war. And imperialism + ultimate bankruptcy.

It was she, for instance, who urged Bill to bomb Serbia, for no clear American strategic interest. (Giving birth to the bandit state of Kosovo - a preview of what will happen in California once the Mexican revanchists get it into gear. Maybe then Russia or China will bomb us, in sympathy with Mexxico.)

Rahm Emanuel is also a warhawk, and regime-changing fan.
His bias in the ME is ethnic. Hillary's is opportunist - she lays down and spreads 'em wide when K Street comes a'callin.

As great comic Jackie Mason said during the campaign about Obama: "He's for change? Like what? Change his tie? Change his underwear? What, what change?" (Works better when uttered in Mason's inimitable NYC alrightnik accent.)

Bad start for this alleged agent-of-change. Sure as hell glad i didnt vote

I'm going to toy with you for a bit, as fox news seems like your only outlet...
1- imperialism implies ownership. The Iraq war was ALWAYS designed to get a foothold into Iran - the "other" gold capital of the planet other than Saudi Arabia, whom "HW" Bush and his team has always been in bed with regardless of the fact that most of the 9/F'N 11 attackers were Saudi. GG on that point imperialist wannabe moron - learn how to read facts, wanker, god. You have 0 comprehension of the last 8 years as your head is stuck in your ass.

2- You know jack shiz about the Serbian conflict. Do you understand Israel? NO? same god damn thing. Shut up neocon jackwipe. That's one instance I lost a friend in. He believed in what he was doing. I believe in my dead friend. Although - if you want to get into international conflicts, have you ever heard of what happens in Africa or SE Asia? Only a tiny silent few report out of SE Asia - where the Russians test biological weapons - you would know this if you read facts and not watched fox news. (read: Yellow Rain)

3- There is no attributal support for Emanuel being some attack dog... That's all media hype. If you could cite one instance, i'd be impressed - but Im not - Rush says he's bad... OMGZ. RTARD.

4- as for your point about change, which, is nuts. I _LOVE_ Jackie Mason, however, if that's your strongest argument about change, you must live with your mother in her basement - or live on welfare like JJ. Comics jest to get laughs. However, in your lifetime have you EVER seen a President elect have more pressure on them and more responsibility? F dude - Clinton didn't think about any of this crap until weeks before he was inaugirated(spelling,sorry). NO ONE has followed such a garbage presidency EVER - and the majority of historians back that up (use your elite intellect to google-fu that, retard).

My point is - get your head out of your ass and stop watching Sean Hannity or lisening to 'conservative' f'n brainwash radio. A REAL conservative only sees one thing - that's green. Just like bettors. Obama is 100x more 'green' than any President as long as I've been alive. He' more LIBERF'NTARIAN than the "right wing". As a bettor - I EXPECT you to know their platform - but you probably don't - because your'e some brainwashed retard that can't think on their own and hit C's in highschool... But that's why god created radio - so you can ride around in your 5 gallon/mile truck and listen to some twit that is more radical than Osama Bin Laden.

OMG did I say that? I think I did. Of course, you probably also don't know why we got nailed on 9/11 because you think people out there 'hate us for our freedom" rather than listening to what BIN LADEN SAID.

If ****ing Saudis owned Nellis here in Vegas, I'd do the same ****ing thing and you would too.
Take the neocon corn out of your cornhole and wake up,dude.

Obama doesn't want to repo your AK or whatever - Obama wants America to prosper. If you've been alive in the US for the last 8 years and you decry that, then you truly should be marginalized by censor. You can't name 1 achievment that helped this nation out. It did get 2 of my best friends KILLED in Iraq. You probably didn't. And you think we're noble there - you have no knowledge of anything and I hope you get your head out of your ass.

You know as much about global politics, let alone domestic, with your mental claims.

If Obama fails - he fails. However, what is YOUR BOY W doing right now other than f'n off a bailout my kids kids are paying off?

Dude, get a grip and realize your poop stinks too. Seriously.... But your arguments are as worthless as your SOUL. If you're part of the evangelical wing, then you'd under stand that statement - but you don't. You're a brainwashed retard.

[EBSB52]

Invasion of Kosovo. Expansion of Nato. Iraqi sanctions. Look I hate the Republicans, but if you think Bush reinvented American foreign policy you're crazy. Many countries were a lot weaker during the Clinton era than they are now, especially Russia.
Hillary has made negative statements about foreign countries which were inappropriate. I feel that she feels a need to prove her toughness, and that is not a formula for peace.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Invasion of Kosovo.


It was a 10-week invasion to keep ethnic-minded Serbs from running over the refugees. NATO, meaning most of the world was in on it and agreed. In no way was this Iraq or VN in length or agreement. There were controvercial actions within Kosovo, but there are in all wars. This doesn't register in the atrocities category.


>>>>>>>>>>>Expansion of Nato.


This is bad? A world force that enforces treaties and other things in a world setting? I think it resolves more problems than it creates.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Iraqi sanctions.


Are you serious? That's the start of what we do before we attack, it's a precursor. Should we have ignored or attacked then? Those are the only other 2 options.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Look I hate the Republicans, but if you think Bush reinvented American foreign policy you're crazy.


No, he just took old FP to new depths.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Many countries were a lot weaker during the Clinton era than they are now, especially Russia.


Oh, is that good? Not only is Russia a great country they're an old ally; remember WWII? All that Cold War shit died out after the BAy of Pigs, after that it was just a joke that we finally won via their fiscal incompetence, now they're getting a victory. I don't see why other countries being weaker helps us or is good in any way and how Clinton played a part in that, esp considering we became stronger then than we have in decades.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hillary has made negative statements about foreign countries which were inappropriate. I feel that she feels a need to prove her toughness, and that is not a formula for peace.


What statements? Please cite a context. You are comparing Bill to Hillary, might be a far off comparison. Look man, you just hate the Clinton's, you can't really put it onto words, you just hate em.

[EBSB52]

Dude, get a grip and realize your poop stinks too. Seriously.... But your arguments are as worthless as your SOUL. If you're part of the evangelical wing, then you'd under stand that statement - but you don't. You're a brainwashed retard..

Funny post One thing I'd like to say is that of all the forums I visit, the neo-cons are the weakest here. I say that not to offend, just that I really don't get a valid argument here. A couple times I've been teated, but then no response back. It's an impossible position to justify, the neo-con, but they should either support their positon with data, history, etc or just sit out.

[BrentCrude]

Two hideous and repulsive dudes,Hillary&Rahm!

At least Bush and his gang hid alot while being inept and corrupt socialists.Now we have communists that will be bloviating,force feeding us socialist fascism and talking down to us for god knows how long.It's the we know what's best for you little needy children crowd.

This Rahm dude is 5'-6'' and thinks he's a tough guy and he was a friggin ballerina prodigy.The little Zionist turd even went to fight in the Israeli army.Is that legal?????I guess he was a luber in the tire shop or that's what they say anyway.The guy gets up at banquets and screams and sticks steak knifes in the table ranting about conservatism.Real tough guy!!!!It figures he comes from a socialist crap hole like Chicago.

This country is so frigging stupid and easy to sway because the public education systen stole our soules so we believe in these freaks of nature.Ever notice that fakey breathy-talking down to the audience Hillary does like she's the authority figure teacher in Romper Room and we are 3 year olds?It's the we know what's best for you crowd.It figures that she comes from a socialist crap hole like Chicago.


Obama is going to print money like it's going out of style to support his false propped up FDR Keynesian economy.Curious George Obama is going to have every Tony Soprano union slug WORKER making 200K a year for doing no show work at tunnels and highways going to nowhere.Just since Obama has been hinting at this stuff gold has gone up $100 in 3 days.Gold will be 2k a few weeks after Obama gets sworn in and people realize how bad it's going to get.It figures that he comes from a crap hole like Chicago.

The 3 kids even passive kids would have liked to beat up in grade school here.Can you imagine the brown nosing,running for every office and being teachers pets to atheist,lesbian and hairy school librarians in the NEA these things were.

[EBSB52]

At least Bush and his gang hid alot while being inept and corrupt socialists.Now we have communists that will be bloviating,force feeding us socialist fascism and talking down to us for god knows how long.It's the we know what's best for you little needy children crowd.

This Rahm dude is 5'-6'' and thinks he's a tough guy and he was a friggin ballerina prodigy.The little Zionist turd even went to fight in the Israeli army.Is that legal?????I guess he was a luber in the tire shop or that's what they say anyway.The guy gets up at banquets and screams and sticks steak knifes in the table ranting about conservatism.Real tough guy!!!!It figures he comes from a socialist crap hole like Chicago.

This country is so frigging stupid and easy to sway because the public education systen stole our soules so we believe in these freaks of nature.Ever notice that fakey breathy-talking down to the audience Hillary does like she's the authority figure teacher in Romper Room and we are 3 year olds?It's the we know what's best for you crowd.It figures that she comes from a socialist crap hole like Chicago.


Obama is going to print money like it's going out of style to support his false propped up FDR Keynesian economy.Curious George Obama is going to have every Tony Soprano union slug WORKER making 200K a year for doing no show work at tunnels and highways going to nowhere.Just since Obama has been hinting at this stuff gold has gone up $100 in 3 days.Gold will be 2k a few weeks after Obama gets sworn in and people realize how bad it's going to get.It figures that he comes from a crap hole like Chicago.

The 3 kids even passive kids would have liked to beat up in grade school here.Can you imagine the brown nosing,running for every office and being teachers pets to atheist,lesbian and hairy school librarians in the NEA these things were.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>At least Bush and his gang hid alot while being inept and corrupt socialists.


Is being out of sight a betterment? Does it make the debt 2 trillion instead of 5+T? Hiding vs being seen changes nothing.



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This Rahm dude is 5'-6'' and thinks ........


He's chief of staff, so what? It's not like he has a real job that has real implication?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This country is so frigging stupid and easy to sway because the public education systen stole our soules so we believe in these freaks of nature.


Are you explaining why Bush and teh other 2 neo-turds were elected? from 1T to 10.5T is all you need to say; loud and clear.



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obama is going to print money like it's going out of style to support his false propped up FDR Keynesian economy.


From a neo-con, you, impeaching Obama's actions before entering office after you enjoying 8 years of Hoover-all-over-again, it comes off as unbelievable.


>>>>>>>>>>>>Curious George Obama is going to have every Tony Soprano union slug WORKER making 200K a year for doing no show work at tunnels and highways going to nowhere.


Glad you have such intuitive guessing skills. So you say this is a reversal of Bush'nomics spreading the classes, now they're going to be merged? That sucks, that is, for corporatist fascist idiots. (AKA real Americans per the Nazipublican agenda)


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just since Obama has been hinting at this stuff gold has gone up $100 in 3 days.Gold will be 2k a few weeks after Obama gets sworn in and people realize how bad it's going to get.It figures that he comes from a crap hole like Chicago.


Yes, let's ride the gold and stock market wave as if it is affected by politics. If you ride the daily market and apply the market to it after-the-fact, then you can write stock market articles and get other 'phobes' to ride that too. There may have once been a reason to ride these political acts and pretend there is a correlation, but not anymore with day traders, they just mind their own lunacy within the market.




It's fun to read your ramblings, kinda Dennis Milleresque, but there really is no substance within them.

[EBSB52]

Just since Obama has been hinting at this stuff gold has gone up $100 in 3 days.Gold will be 2k a few weeks after Obama gets sworn in and people realize how bad it's going to get..

And the market has increased 800 points in the last 2 days since Obama's message, so what does that tell ya? Yea, let's ride the idiot microcosm train.

[reno cool]

McBain:
I've been reading ritehooks posts for a while now and he seems anything but a neocon. So I don't know what the hell you're talking about. There is more at issue than the supposed conflict between Dems and Reps.

esbs:
You're being the same kind of an apologist for the Clintons as you rightfully accuse Bush supporters.

Nato is not an international mediator (that would be the UN) but an alliance of western countries led by USA to the determent of others. The expansion of Nato serves to fragment Eastern Europe (divide and conquer if you like),and threaten and antagonize Russia. Kosovo is one example of this policy.

Now, the reason I say Russia and others are stronger now is because Clinton had an easier time of enforcing American hegemony than future presidents are likely to have.

Finally, the sanctions that impoverished and starved thousands of Iraqis were not necessary. Here's a third option for you: Live the poor people of Iraq alone.

[EBSB52]

McBain:
I've been reading ritehooks posts for a while now and he seems anything but a neocon. So I don't know what the hell you're talking about. There is more at issue than the supposed conflict between Dems and Reps.

esbs:
You're being the same kind of an apologist for the Clintons as you rightfully accuse Bush supporters.

Nato is not an international mediator (that would be the UN) but an alliance of western countries led by USA to the determent of others. The expansion of Nato serves to fragment Eastern Europe (divide and conquer if you like),and threaten and antagonize Russia. Kosovo is one example of this policy.

Now, the reason I say Russia and others are stronger now is because Clinton had an easier time of enforcing American hegemony than future presidents are likely to have.

Finally, the sanctions that impoverished and starved thousands of Iraqis were not necessary. Here's a third option for you: Live the poor people of Iraq alone.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You're being the same kind of an apologist for the Clintons as you rightfully accuse Bush supporters.


How am I apologizing? I think most of what they did was not needing an apology, but priase.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nato is not an international mediator (that would be the UN) but an alliance of western countries led by USA to the determent of others.



The detriment of whom? The members of NATO are: NATO has added new members six times since first forming in 1949. NATO comprises twenty-six members: Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nato

I thinka unified allegiance is a good thing. Altho the initial purpose of NATO was to keep Russia out and Germany down, think of the timeset, 1949 post WWII. I do think the ideological spat between the US and Russia sucks, but it was very mutual and still is to a degree.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The expansion of Nato serves to fragment Eastern Europe (divide and conquer if you like),and threaten and antagonize Russia. Kosovo is one example of this policy.


So was the attack on Georgia by Russia. It is a shame that the superpowers can't get along. But it will be like that forever.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>..Now, the reason I say Russia and others are stronger now is because Clinton had an easier time of enforcing American hegemony than future presidents are likely to have.


Ok, so how did Clinton have easier time enforcing hegemnony over whom? Why easier, hegemony over whom? Why moreso than future presidents? And why does it matter that it was easier for Clinton? I agree that the US is imperialistic and that they practice hegemony, other than that I don't know what you are saying.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Finally, the sanctions that impoverished and starved thousands of Iraqis were not necessary. Here's a third option for you: Live the poor people of Iraq alone.


That I can agree; leave them alone. But that is an American concept; imperialism, and Clinton was less imperialistic than most presidents.

[Igetp2s]

Osama Bin Laden also loved the 90's as did Saddam and the Taliban. Terrorist thugs had no problem sleeping at night in their comfortable homes and palaces.

[EBSB52]

Osama Bin Laden also loved the 90's as did Saddam and the Taliban. Terrorist thugs had no problem sleeping at night in their comfortable homes and palaces.

That makes zero sense, as they would have avoided attacking under GW Dumbshit's term if they were so fvcking scared of the Republinazis. Anyone who thinks terrorists plan their terror around our politics is as dumb as they are.

GWB enjoyed his vacation during the entire month of August as his oil buddies in the ME were planning 3k people's demise. I guess they were sleeping safely in their beds too.

Brilliant.

[andywend]

385 posts in 24 days from this communist clown.

Assuming this guy sleeps 8 hours a day, that's one post every hour that he is awake.

Since he is a liberal democrat, its safe to assume he sleeps more than 8 hours per day and probably doesn't have a job either.

[EBSB52]

385 posts in 24 days from this communist clown.

Assuming this guy sleeps 8 hours a day, that's one post every hour that he is awake.

Since he is a liberal democrat, its safe to assume he sleeps more than 8 hours per day and probably doesn't have a job either.

What a loser with nothing to say/retort. I guess if you have something to state, esp to losers w/o a clue, you write it.


I'm a liberal democrat? I'm actually a registered Republican, voted for Perot in 92 and Dole in 96, helped vote in the Repub congress in 94, but have voted Dem other than that. As well, I am more pro-gun than most so-called right wingers. I dislike the current version of affirmative action, altho something needs to be done, just that a point system isn't the way. BTW, the same AA decision that the 7 R / 2 D appointed SCOTUS rendered supporting AA.

I am more liberal than conervative, but I have views from both sides. But I realize, neo-con trash says, "with us or against us" so with that brilliance, you designate me as a liberal Dem.

My job, FAA lic ACFT Mech / Inspector / pilot and more. I work plenty, now go back to slaughtering hogs or whatever worthwhile thing you do.


BTW, what's the matter, Wendy, don't like me pointing out that Bush took the entire month of August off, the one before 911? Yea, sorry, I know neo-cons don't like history, facts, data, etc.... That's just messy stuff.