this just in: peyton manning is 16th best QB in the nfl

[hoopster42]

because he's got the 16th highest quarterback rating!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=pass&sort=rat&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008

do you see how ridiculous a statement that is? no way that manning is not in the top 3 qb's in the nfl, if not the overall best

you guys who are dropping some stat equation about defense are missing the obvious fact

after 10 games of play, it is clear that the titans at 13.1 pts per game given up are the best D in the nfl

[Sinister Cat]

Why would anyone use that stat to measure QB performance anyway? Football Outsiders has him 3rd in DYAR.

[fiveteamer]

hoopster is the kind of jackass who starts a fight when he gets drunk, and then gets his ass kicked.

[Mudcat]

you guys who are dropping some stat equation about defense are missing the obvious fact

You guys? Who is you guys?

You realize you started a new thread, right? There are no guys yet.

[hoopster42]

hoopster is the kind of jackass who starts a fight when he gets drunk, and then gets his ass kicked.

5, if you took your dislike for me out of the equation (which i could care less about btw), you would see that my analogy of the defensive equation in the other thread is quite literally a straight comparison to quarterback rating

it is ridiculous, and deep down inside in places you dont talk about at your pilates class, you know i'm right

ppl who read my posts know that i am as a sharp as a freshly sharpened ginsu knife, jjgold and others have said it

love me or hate me, i bring the fukkin knowledge like no other

[AMBlai01]

ppl who read my posts know that i am as a sharp as a freshly sharpened ginsu knife, jjgold and others have said it

love me or hate me, i bring the fukkin knowledge like no other

When did you get your ribs removed so you could suck your own dick????

[fiveteamer]

hoopster, you go around this forum LOOKING for arguments.

enough with the schtik already.

[hoopster42]

hoopster, you go around this forum LOOKING for arguments.

enough with the schtik already.

and i win most of them, leaving idiots burning on the sidewalk in my path because i destroyed them with facts and support to strengthen my already incredibly strong viewpoints

the truth hurts, ppl hate it when someone out there knows way way way way way more about sports than they do

hoopster42 = sports talk at much higher level

[pavyracer]

i am as a sharp as a freshly sharpened ginsu knife

Use it for harakiri. You'd do all us a favor.

[donjuan]

You are

a) making a straw man argument

and

b) using stats that are not very predictive.

If we had football-style penalties on SBR, you would get a 10 yard penalty for fallacious reasoning and a 15 yarder for unnecessary stupidity.

[SBR Lou]

We're talking about Peyton Manning here, he's had to deal with Clark being out or banged up, Harrison and Addai dropping everything under the sun as if their hands were made of jelly; still the guy is finding ways to win and even win on the road against the top ranked D in foots.

With Brady sidelined all year, Manning IS the best QB in the league regardless of whoever has thrown more TD's.

[donjuan]

hoopster42 = sports talk at much higher level than a chimpanzee

But not at a higher level than a blind, mute 4 year old with Down syndrome.

[Dbldown11]

Actually hoopster you have a tendancy for making lots of posts with lots of predictions and statements....then months later when one happens to come to fuition you bump it up and claim you're a genius...What about all the other threads????

I'm guessing we wont see your thread about USC in the National Championship game bumped anytime soon by you.

Also every time you come on and toot your own horn.....you mention that you're not the only one that thinks it...you always say "even JJ-gold thinks so".....since when has JJ been a handicapping guru? or a sports guru for that matter?

And finally for the link you posted above...

IT IS A STAT SHEET WITH QB'S PUT IN ORDER OF QB RATING.
that doesnt mean anyone thinks that he is that far down the list in terms of quality of quarterback, but it does mean his QB rating is that bad

[pavyracer]

We're talking about Peyton Manning here, he's had to deal with Clark being out or banged up, Harrison and Addai dropping everything under the sun as if their hands were made of jelly; still the guy is finding ways to win and even win on the road against the top ranked D in foots.

With Brady sidelined all year, Manning IS the best QB in the league regardless of whoever has thrown more TD's.

Are you implying that Matt Ryan has better wide receivers than Peyton Manning?

No way Peyton Manning is the best QB this year.

[SBR Lou]

Are you implying that Matt Ryan has better wide receivers than Peyton Manning?

No way Peyton Manning is the best QB this year.

What I am implying (correctly) is that Matt Ryan has had a great rushing attack alleviating the pressure off his shoulders and allowing him to play action his rookie butt off. Fact is, defenses don't even adjust for Joseph Addai and can simply play the pass all day long- not the case in Atlanta.

Defenses could have two linebackers in the box and Addais stats would still look like this after 4 quarters: 21 rushes, 46yds.

[pavyracer]

But you said Peyton Manning is the best QB this year. Why would the best QB need a great running back or wide receivers that don't drop balls? He should make them play better if he was a great QB.

[SBR Lou]

But you said Peyton Manning is the best QB this year. Why would the best QB need a great running back or wide receivers that don't drop balls? He should make them play better if he was a great QB.

It's all relative. QB's are far less likely to have MVP numbers without any semblance of a running game for obvious reasons. Not only that, people overestimate Manning's receivers due to their previous greatness. Fact is the only reliable guys he really has right now are Wayne and Gonzalez (when he holds onto the ball). The others have underachieved and had several drops.

[hoopster42]

Actually hoopster you have a tendancy for making lots of posts with lots of predictions and statements....then months later when one happens to come to fuition you bump it up and claim you're a genius...What about all the other threads????

go through the archives if youre bored and check all of the threads i started or the ones i posted in with predictions

youll see that i dont make many predictions at all,

some of my more memorable ones:

"florida and usc to the title game" posted 7 wks ago, i took heat for both teams and now everyone is on florida's jock, i posted this right after they lost to ole miss

how fukkin smart was that?

"texas and penn state to lose" when they looked like juggernauts

both happened, how fukkin smart was that?

"kansas to beat memphis in ncaa touney final" BEFORE the ncaa tourney even started, ppl told me kansas was the weakest #1 seed,

they were wrong, i was right, how fukkin smart was that?

"boston as big underdog will beat lakers in the series"

you can only imagine that 7 out of 10 posts disagree with me

how fukkin smart was that?

etc, etc, etc

[Dbldown11]

florida AND USC.......theres a good chance both wont make it...but at most one will

I posted at the beginning of the year also that Bama would make the natl championship game (after week 1)

I think that trumps all of your posts if it happens haha

I gotta give you props though, you are right a lot of the time

[dwaechte]

Holy. Fukc.

This was the biggest jump I've ever seen.

Just so everyone knows, he came up with this argument after we stated how Pittsburgh was a better D than Tennessee based on DVOA. That's all that was said. He then jumped to the conclusion that because we used DVOA to evaluate defenses, we would also use QB RATING to evaluate passers.

Funny enough, as Sinister Cat pointed out, DYAR rates Peyton 3rd. "Peyton Manning is atleast top 3"

I mean, if DYAR had Peyton ranked 16th and he had used that to dismiss using DVOA to rank defenses, it's STILL a straw argument, but atleast it would've been within the realm of most retarded arguments I'm used to.

Holy ****ing shit. I don't say this lightly: This was the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I think it blows most of daggerkobe's out of the water. I don't even want to think what kind of a mind it must take to actually rationalize that argument.

[Mr Handicapable]

Please don't tell me that someone is putting Matt Ryan in Peytons class??
The O-line is finally rounding into form and so is Peyton...7-0 ratio & over 800 yds last 3 weeks!! This is the NFL..there is no Kobe or Jordan saving the day by themselves or CC Sabathia single-handedly putting a team in the playoffs! This is a team game and you can only do what you can do!! John Elway is the only NFL athlete I've seen that could put a shit team talent wise in the SB off his talent alone!! Of course the AFC in the 80s-mid 90s was minor league football and they got crushed everytime they got there until Terrell Davis & a defense came around!!
I don't think anyone in the AFC wants to see the Colts in the playoffs this year especially if Sanders is healthy!

[Legend4Aday]

It's not a fair assesment Hoop, because the QB's statistic can be affected by the offensive line not allowing enough time to pass the ball, and they must rely on wide receivers to make the catch. The defensive statistic would be more accurate, because it pertains to a group rather then just one person, and the defence is self reliant in terms of avoiding injuries, and breaking through to make the tackle.

[Bread]

I hate Peyton Manning and his grotesque melon.

[pavyracer]

Please don't tell me that someone is putting Matt Ryan in Peytons class??
The O-line is finally rounding into form and so is Peyton...7-0 ratio & over 800 yds last 3 weeks!! This is the NFL..there is no Kobe or Jordan saving the day by themselves or CC Sabathia single-handedly putting a team in the playoffs! This is a team game and you can only do what you can do!! John Elway is the only NFL athlete I've seen that could put a shit team talent wise in the SB off his talent alone!! Of course the AFC in the 80s-mid 90s was minor league football and they got crushed everytime they got there until Terrell Davis & a defense came around!!
I don't think anyone in the AFC wants to see the Colts in the playoffs this year especially if Sanders is healthy!

Matt Ryan has better stats than Payton Manning as a rookie.

[SBR Lou]

Matt Ryan has better stats than Payton Manning as a rookie.

Anyone could've had better stats than Peyton Manning as a rookie.

[pavyracer]

Anyone could've had better stats than Peyton Manning as a rookie.

Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell or Alex Smith? Which one had better stats than Peyton Manning as a rookie?