www.betwsc.com (Worldsportcenter) is STEALING $3691 from me

[dog]

Just found this in BETWSC rules:

Any Customers found misusing or in collusion with other account holders or using another account within betwsc to receive multiple bonuses will have all funds confiscated, including deposit, bonus and winnings. Betwsc does not allow account holders with a know IP address to wager in another unrelated account with the same IP. Bonus fraud example: Player1 opens an account and receives a bonus. Player1 meets the rollover requirements and cashes out immediately or losses all funds in the account. Player2 opens an account and receives a bonus. If Player1 is found to be related to that account in anyway (IP VOICE SID), all funds will be confiscated in that account.

I would advise anyone tread with caution with this sportsbook after reading that first line.

[tacomax]

I would advise anyone tread with caution with this sportsbook after reading that first line.

I agree, dog.

Any players who are partaking in collusion with their buddies should target a different book.

[isetcap]

All of my "buddies" in my "office" like this book so I'm going to give it a try but I'm going to make sure I sign up in my "office" and make large wagers from my "office" where all my buddies are placing large wagers also. Oh and by the way, I'm also going to give them false information when I sign up. Sound like a good idea?

[baseballfan13]

As I said previously I did not use the same computer as anyone else other than through the neteller sight. I had used neteller's sight from my work computer several times. I never once used the same computer as anyone else at WSC. Never. I opened my account from my home computer and deposited my funds from it. Only with neteller was the same ip address used and I had done it before. I have reuped other accounts at work through the neteller site in the past. Only now they gave WSC my info, and only now is there a problem with it.

I have never had an account under my name at WSC. WSC needs to let me know exactly what they need from me to get me my money. EXACTLY.

[baseballfan13]

This guy at WSC is a crook and doesn't want to pay no matter what I do. He are the last 4 emails sent back and forth between us.

I could care less about your documents. You have been linked to more than 3 accounts by neteller. Your group tried to scam us and got caught. We do not pay bonus scammers! Why not try the phone call attack , like the one you orchestrated several days ago. I hope to connect your group with the Washington group as well.


On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:03:49 -0700 (PDT),
> I sent you the documents you asked for from the same address I had at BETWSC and Neteller. You said they needed to be the same. I told you that I had to forge those documents to make them match the address on the made up address I had at WSC, because you made a big deal out of them matching. So now as far as I can tell you are asking for me to send docs from ME, Landa Toliver, at my current address? Tell me exactly what you need from me to insure there is no confusion. I will then forward a copy to you, Bill Dozer, and Ttinco at the RX.

First lie is saying I'm linked to anyone at Neteller. I admit I used the same computer for a couple Neteller transactions as my friends but we did not sign up our Neteller accounts on the same computer. I spoke with Neteller and they said they provided IP addresses that matched up but we all 3 had multiple IP addresses for our accounts. I did not know it was a crime to use the same computer as someone else in doing Neteller transactions. This proves nothing except we work together. Where in his rules does it say you can't work with someone that already has an account at WSC. I never used any computer to do anything at WSC.

As far as Washington goes, I know no one in Washington D.C. or the state so he can go off on a paranoid delusion looking for a link. I think he will say or do anything to keep from paying players. Go luck with that Numb Nuts.

What exactly did you know from the get go? That you and a few of your friends would try to open up different accounts from one location all using fake addresses and info. That, after getting caught you would pretend that you didnt know each other. How about manufacturing ID and bills to support your scam. You are a group of bonus scammers that caught and made a fool of yourselves on the forums.

We do not steal money from anyone. You scammed money from us! I am not intrested in the real or made up documents from whoever you are.




On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:41:33 -0700 (PDT),
> I know you could care less, I knew from the get go that there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell that I would see any money from you unless I went to the forums, and now you continue to cry like a little bitch. You are determined to steal money from players. It's all over the net now. I would think a real bonus whore would never play at a shop that offered a 15% bonus with a 7x rollover and no referral bonuses. You are just a CROOK that had never intended on paying me any money. So you are refusing to pay me anything no matter what documents I have, right?
>
> help wrote:

How did three seperate people scam him. Just because you work with people who sign up at the same book it must be a scam. How the phuck do you think I heard about this book. Where is the money that was supposedly scammed. Both my buddies lost their entire balance, including their bonus. This jerk off took a shot. Only when the thrid person won did he investigate. Why not after the second person, because he lost. Why not when I joined up because he was taking a shot and when i won, that's when he decided to steal. Plain and simple. I can provide documents proving who I am but they won't match up to the address on the account. Which before he said they had to or I wouldn't get paid. Which is why i changed the ID to match addresses.

Our book supports 1000's of players on a daily basis. It's rare to come across scammers like yourselves. I find it amusing to see someone with no credibility try to tarnish a sportsbook that has been in business for years, and will be in operation for many years to come.

In case you forgot, if I had no intention to pay you, why would I send you money when you had not even come close to reaching your rollover. How about you and your syndicate crawl back into our hole and dissapear.


On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:43:03 -0700 (PDT),
> SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO STEAL MY MONEY, RIGHT? I KNEW WHEN YOU ASKED FOR ID'S YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF PAYING. I think WSC. SPORTS is now a CON book. When do you plan on just closing the doors and stealing everyone else's money?
>
> help wrote:

How the phuck could I possibly reach my rollover when you close my account and try to steal my money? Like I said I can prove to be who I say I am but this douche won't even give me the chance. He thinks he has a licence to steal.

[JoshW]

You might want to format that to distinguish who is saying what, not very clear. At beginning it seems that you admit to forging documents?

[isetcap]

You might want to format that to distinguish who is saying what, not very clear. At beginning it seems that you admit to forging documents?

He/she did admit to forging documents because of course he/she did not want to give accurate account information when setting up his/her account. Why would that be necessary?

[Catsfan]

Baseballfan13
You lied, cheated and got caught. You don't desreve a penny. If you can't give out your real information when you open a book you don't deserve to be paid. Do everyone a favor and go away.

[Dark Horse]

I used my neteller account to fund my WSC account. I had my boyfriend handle my account for me and place bets for me. I let him do this at this sportsbook and others in the past. I let my boyfriend have access to my neteller account. I'm a big girl, I can give him permission to do this.

If you were more familiar with the business, you'd probably realize you just admitted to scamming this book. The giveaway is the reference to 'others in the past'. You seem to have gotten away with it before; why complain when a book doesn't fall for it?

Believe it or not, but there are people who like to have an open and honest relationship with their book(s), and while some lack of trust is certainly due to dishonest books, people like you and your boyfriend are responsible for the remainder.

This doesn't give a book the right to confiscate your funds, but I can understand they make you sweat for it.

Just my two cents. Of course I could be wrong, and your boyfriend could know everything about books and Neteller, without having any clue of how to set up an account under his own name. Hey, maybe all he thinks of all day is you. That would explain...

[baseballfan13]

He/she did admit to forging documents because of course he/she did not want to give accurate account information when setting up his/her account. Why would that be necessary?

I have said in the past and I will say it again. I gave Neteller my correct address. I knew I would never get any kind of payout from WSC at my address so I didn't think it a big deal to change my address at WSC. The reason I wanted to change my address is because I wanted no mail. One sportsbook still sends me mail years later even though i have requested numerous times for this to stop.

One more time the reason i changed my ID at WSC was because he told me if the address didn't match the address on the account, he would NOT pay me. If you want to know why I changed my address at WSC see above paragraph.

[baseballfan13]

Baseballfan13
You lied, cheated and got caught. You don't desreve a penny. If you can't give out your real information when you open a book you don't deserve to be paid. Do everyone a favor and go away.

How did I lie and cheat? I changed my address at WSC even though I would never get a payout at my address because i had Neteller who did have my correct address. Or I changed a ID because he told me if the address didn't match the one i gave them when i signed he would NOT pay me. I offered WSC and any moderator to come where I live and confirm me and my two friends idenity. And if we aren't who we say we are then we will pay for everyones plane ticket. Ball is in your court WSC!

[Catsfan]

How did you lie? You gave them the wrong address. That is a lie. I get mail from sportsbooks delivered to my parents house on a regular basis. I have not lived there for 18 years! Once you are on a list your name is going to stay on there and probably be sold to all sorts of mailing lists. If you want to play at an offshore book get used to it. Anyone can have a "real" friend open a second account for them. The other person can set up all the information with the book and then you can go ahead and make all the plays yourself. If you just admit that what you did was wrong you will probably feel much better. Quit making a fool of yourself. Anyone that has been playing offshore for any length of time can see that you are full os shit.

[Lucas]

If Player1 is found to be related to that account in anyway (IP VOICE SID), all funds will be confiscated in that account.

IMHO I do not think it is fair to confiscate funds through the same IP. What about dynamic IP´s which are 4 example common in my country. I have a laptop with 3G net and get IP several times a day. I am sure I often got an IP from someone who betted at the same bookie as I...

[freebie]

baseballFan:

Are you getting pay and did you get paid?

If you are not getting paid, I don't think you will. So what's the point of coming back here and complain? I don't think it's helping much now. you have to find another way to get your money.

[bigboydan]

11/29/2006 2:45:00 PM
WORLDSPORTCENTER sold; downgraded from C to D.
Upon logging in, players receive the following message:
Please be advised that a new Company will be taking over all players accounts. Please goto betting.imptek.com Login and login with your current username and password. All account info will remain the same in this transition period.

WORLDSPORTCENTER was located in Canada. The new sportsbook which is not answering phones, is hosted in Costa Rica. Players are advised to steer clear of BetWSC until more is known.

[bigboydan]

WordSportCenter (SBR rating D) closure prompted by criminal charges
The following press release was posted by CNW Group on behalf of the Kahnaawake Gaming Commission.

Kahnawake Gaming Commission suspends CPA held by WSC Management, Inc. Kahnawake, QC, Nov. 30 /CNW Telbec/ - At a meeting today, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (the "Commission") directed that the Client Provider Authorization ("CPA") held by WSC Management Inc. ("WSC") be suspended, effective immediately. The suspension results from concerns related to criminal charges that have recently been laid against the principal of WSC alleging that he conspired with persons linked with organized crime in Montreal. The Commission decided that these allegations are sufficiently serious and extraordinary that an immediate suspension was necessary to ensure the public interest was not affected in an adverse and material way. The suspension will remain in force unless and until the Commission is provided further information about the allegations in question, at which time WSC’s permit will either be reinstated or revoked.

Some players reported receiving their balances paid in full via Neteller on Tuesday while others were directed to an unknown Costa Rican-based betting website, betting.imptek.com.

[Shack]

The writing was on the wall after this bull shit. I knew these crooks would run off with everyone's money, but some just don't listen.

[Shack]

This guy at WSC is a crook and doesn't want to pay no matter what I do. He are the last 4 emails sent back and forth between us.

I could care less about your documents. You have been linked to more than 3 accounts by neteller. Your group tried to scam us and got caught. We do not pay bonus scammers! Why not try the phone call attack , like the one you orchestrated several days ago. I hope to connect your group with the Washington group as well.


On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:03:49 -0700 (PDT),
> I sent you the documents you asked for from the same address I had at BETWSC and Neteller. You said they needed to be the same. I told you that I had to forge those documents to make them match the address on the made up address I had at WSC, because you made a big deal out of them matching. So now as far as I can tell you are asking for me to send docs from ME, Landa Toliver, at my current address? Tell me exactly what you need from me to insure there is no confusion. I will then forward a copy to you, Bill Dozer, and Ttinco at the RX.

First lie is saying I'm linked to anyone at Neteller. I admit I used the same computer for a couple Neteller transactions as my friends but we did not sign up our Neteller accounts on the same computer. I spoke with Neteller and they said they provided IP addresses that matched up but we all 3 had multiple IP addresses for our accounts. I did not know it was a crime to use the same computer as someone else in doing Neteller transactions. This proves nothing except we work together. Where in his rules does it say you can't work with someone that already has an account at WSC. I never used any computer to do anything at WSC.

As far as Washington goes, I know no one in Washington D.C. or the state so he can go off on a paranoid delusion looking for a link. I think he will say or do anything to keep from paying players. Go luck with that Numb Nuts.

What exactly did you know from the get go? That you and a few of your friends would try to open up different accounts from one location all using fake addresses and info. That, after getting caught you would pretend that you didnt know each other. How about manufacturing ID and bills to support your scam. You are a group of bonus scammers that caught and made a fool of yourselves on the forums.

We do not steal money from anyone. You scammed money from us! I am not intrested in the real or made up documents from whoever you are.




On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:41:33 -0700 (PDT),
> I know you could care less, I knew from the get go that there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell that I would see any money from you unless I went to the forums, and now you continue to cry like a little bitch. You are determined to steal money from players. It's all over the net now. I would think a real bonus whore would never play at a shop that offered a 15% bonus with a 7x rollover and no referral bonuses. You are just a CROOK that had never intended on paying me any money. So you are refusing to pay me anything no matter what documents I have, right?
>
> help wrote:

How did three seperate people scam him. Just because you work with people who sign up at the same book it must be a scam. How the phuck do you think I heard about this book. Where is the money that was supposedly scammed. Both my buddies lost their entire balance, including their bonus. This jerk off took a shot. Only when the thrid person won did he investigate. Why not after the second person, because he lost. Why not when I joined up because he was taking a shot and when i won, that's when he decided to steal. Plain and simple. I can provide documents proving who I am but they won't match up to the address on the account. Which before he said they had to or I wouldn't get paid. Which is why i changed the ID to match addresses.

Our book supports 1000's of players on a daily basis. It's rare to come across scammers like yourselves. I find it amusing to see someone with no credibility try to tarnish a sportsbook that has been in business for years, and will be in operation for many years to come.

In case you forgot, if I had no intention to pay you, why would I send you money when you had not even come close to reaching your rollover. How about you and your syndicate crawl back into our hole and dissapear.


On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:43:03 -0700 (PDT),
> SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO STEAL MY MONEY, RIGHT? I KNEW WHEN YOU ASKED FOR ID'S YOU HAD NO INTENTION OF PAYING. I think WSC. SPORTS is now a CON book. When do you plan on just closing the doors and stealing everyone else's money?
>
> help wrote:

How the phuck could I possibly reach my rollover when you close my account and try to steal my money? Like I said I can prove to be who I say I am but this douche won't even give me the chance. He thinks he has a licence to steal.

if it looks like a crook, smells like a crook, talks and walks like a crook. IT IS A CROOK

[pupjunior]

Hi

I had $803 in my account at betwsc.com when they closed down.
My login never worked at the imptek betting website.

Anybody know who to contact or is the money gone.

The imptek website is still up so somebody must be running it.

[JoshW]

pupjunior - It looks like you are out the money. I know a number of people who lost money and no one has been able to contact them.

[Shack]

pupjunior - It looks like you are out the money. I know a number of people who lost money and no one has been able to contact them.

But you were there to defend them, good job Lakerfan. I recall how you said Rick was such a good guy and such. You will learn, I hope.

[Shack]

Since people are taking about personal experiences. I played for years with WSC, and even though in the end they limited me to $100, all but kicking me out, I still think they run a real good operation, and I don't like to see them treated this way. Rather than view it as a negative, I hope this thread gets them some business.

IDIOT

[tacomax]

IDIOT

And seemingly you're a scammer who trawls the boards trying to solicit fake IDs.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/23877-mark-stewart-you-do-you-know-one.html

You might want to make sure that your own house is in order before you start criticising someone else's.

[Shack]

And seemingly you're a scammer who trawls the boards trying to solicit fake IDs.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/players-talk/23877-mark-stewart-you-do-you-know-one.html

You might want to make sure that your own house is in order before you start criticising someone else's.

Your an idoit that makes no sense. Tell me how your above post makes any sense to me asking about a person. I assume with the new minimum wage increase that you lost your job.
IDIOT # 2 alert