Replacement refs say they were told not to call pass interference on Hail Mary's

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  • stevenash
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    • 01-17-11
    • 65639

    #1
    Replacement refs say they were told not to call pass interference on Hail Mary's
    You know, of course, about the Monday Night Football game from two weeks ago that gave the Seahawks a win they shouldn't have and set up the replacement officials from an unceremoniously exit from the NFL.


    But here's what you don't know about the Hail Mary that Russell Wilson threw to Golden Tate, who supposedly had a simultaneous catch with Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings after pushing off on Sam Shields: two replacement referees told Showtime's Inside the NFL that they were told not to call pass interference penalties on Hail Marys.


    “(For) the deep officials, it was brought up that you don't really call interference on a Hail Mary…,” said Wayne Elliott, who was the head referee for that infamous Packers-Seahawks game. “The deep officials were trained that during a Hail Mary, there's a lot of bodies in there and you just let it go.”


    Co-host CRIS Collinsworth responded by saying, “Whoa! Really?”


    “Which is a philosophy in college too,” said Jim Core, another replacement official. “Those Hail Marys, you don't want to say all bets are off, but for the most part you let the players decide.”


    Previously, Elliott had defended himself, and on the show Wednesday, he also talked about his experiences following the Green Bay-Seattle game when he received a call at home from Packers coach Mike McCarthy.


    “He had heard I was having a rough week with all the calls and everything… He wanted me to know he thought that what I did, controversial and maybe he didn't agree with it, that I handled it with class," said Elliott, who also described the postgame officals locker room which he said was as quiet as a losing locker room.


    Elliott said for the 72 hours after the Monday night call, his phone didn't stop ringing and that many of them came from Wisconsin. He wasn't sure how his cell number got out to the masses so quickly.


    “The gist of them was I should go off somewhere and die or I should commit suicide," Elliott said. "My reaction was to listen to them, laugh at them and delete them. Nobody actually offered to pull the trigger, so nothing was really threatening.”


    Either way, both knew that by signing on to be a replacement official, that would effectively end their advancement as full-time college officials.


    “That was the debate on whether I was going to want to give this up,” Core said. “The college commissioners, the college football officiating is controlled by the NFL referees. So we knew crossing the line was going to end the college career.”


    Core said his worst run-in with a head coach was with Tampa Bay's Greg Schiano.


    “He's college," Core said. "The rest of them acted at a different level. You could just tell working with them they were at a different level that I felt like he was."


    Elliott also described a pleasant conversation he had with smiley Bears quarterback Jay Cutler.


    "I had Jay Cutler, when we did not reset the game clock for him after a discussion about a penalty enforcement, call me a M-F-ing replacement ref. 'Just because you are a M-F-ing replacement ref, you've got to know the f-ing rules,'" Elliott said. "And three minutes later during a timeout, I'm standing next to him and he's got some water and he said, 'You want some water?' And I said, 'Yes, even though I'm a M-F-ing replacement ref, I'll drink your water.' And he said, 'It's all I could say to get your attention.'


    Interestingly, both officials said they had positive experiences and both would do the same thing again if given the opportunity.


    UPDATE: Here's NFL spokesman Greg Aiello's statement on the matter of pass interference calls on Hail Marys.


    "Officials have long been instructed not to call pass interference on 'Hail Mary,' jump ball plays (at end of halves or end of game) unless it is blatant as it was in the Seattle-Green Bay game. Offensive pass interference should have been called on that play. It was more than incidental bumping and jostling."
  • MC PICKS
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-10-10
    • 6644

    #2
    The regular booth officials dropped the ball on that game by not overturning the call and saying it was an interception which it clearly was.
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    • darrell74
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 04-16-07
      • 14648

      #3
      Old news

      They got it right

      Refs now, aren't exactly an improvement
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      • SteveRyan
        SBR MVP
        • 11-15-11
        • 1654

        #4
        Originally posted by ** PICKS
        The regular booth officials dropped the ball on that game by not overturning the call and saying it was an interception which it clearly was.
        Was not an interception.

        Welcome to the 98% who dont understand the rules and what really happened in that play.
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        • daimoshokage
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 02-07-11
          • 8935

          #5
          No need to quote espn stevenashit.. nobody will read that shit here..
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          • MC PICKS
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 01-10-10
            • 6644

            #6
            Originally posted by SteveRyan
            Was not an interception.

            Welcome to the 98% who dont understand the rules and what really happened in that play.
            You must be a seahwaks fan.
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            • k13
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 07-16-10
              • 18104

              #7
              Kind of obvious.

              Just like refs don't call fouls on buzzer beaters in basketball that decide games.

              Nor should they unless it is completely blatant.
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              • MC PICKS
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 01-10-10
                • 6644

                #8
                This is an interception. Video never lies.

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                • daimoshokage
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 02-07-11
                  • 8935

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ** PICKS
                  This is an interception. Video never lies.

                  A rooster_eater Fan Move on already you fukk.. Your team will still be in the playoffs and the seahawks will have the 2nd pick of the draft..
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                  • MC PICKS
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 01-10-10
                    • 6644

                    #10
                    Originally posted by daimoshokage
                    A rooster_eater Fan Move on already you fukk.. Your team will still be in the playoffs and the seahawks will have the 2nd pick of the draft..
                    Im not a fan of either team u fukking retard.
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                    • RonPaul2008
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 06-08-07
                      • 6741

                      #11
                      Wow, can't believe anyone can say that after looking at the video evidence and knowing the rules.

                      Originally posted by SteveRyan
                      Was not an interception.

                      Welcome to the 98% who dont understand the rules and what really happened in that play.
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                      • hanco21
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-19-06
                        • 3414

                        #12
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                        • ShamsWoof10
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-15-06
                          • 4827

                          #13
                          I'd also like to know how that was not an interception.....

                          No I didn't bet on the game and I'm not a fan of either team...

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                          • Vegas Hammer
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                            • 10-05-12
                            • 19

                            #14
                            That worked out well....
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                            • Dark Horse
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-14-05
                              • 13764

                              #15
                              Originally posted by stevenash
                              "I had Jay Cutler, when we did not reset the game clock for him after a discussion about a penalty enforcement, call me a M-F-ing replacement ref. 'Just because you are a M-F-ing replacement ref, you've got to know the f-ing rules,'" Elliott said. "And three minutes later during a timeout, I'm standing next to him and he's got some water and he said, 'You want some water?' And I said, 'Yes, even though I'm a M-F-ing replacement ref, I'll drink your water.' And he said, 'It's all I could say to get your attention.'
                              Classic. lol
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                              • SteveRyan
                                SBR MVP
                                • 11-15-11
                                • 1654

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                I'd also like to know how that was not an interception.....

                                No I didn't bet on the game and I'm not a fan of either team...

                                It's actually pretty simple.

                                When both receivers were down, the GB receiver could not relieve himself of the Seattle receivers grip on the ball.

                                Simultaneous possession
                                Touchdown

                                By the way...all these photos that everyone is posting are no good because they were taken several seconds AFTER both receivers were down. When both receivers were first down, both of them were both struggling for possession of the ball.
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                                • RonPaul2008
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 06-08-07
                                  • 6741

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by SteveRyan
                                  It's actually pretty simple.

                                  When both receivers were down, the GB receiver could not relieve himself of the Seattle receivers grip on the ball.

                                  Simultaneous possession
                                  Touchdown

                                  By the way...all these photos that everyone is posting are no good because they were taken several seconds AFTER both receivers were down. When both receivers were first down, both of them were both struggling for possession of the ball.
                                  Wrong! The Green Bay player had possession first and the Seattle guy put his hands on the ball afterward. That is not simultaneous possession.
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                                  • onlooker
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                                    • 08-10-05
                                    • 36572

                                    #18
                                    When the offensive player catches the defender with the ball in the end zone, that is a TD.

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                                    • PhillyFlyers
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 09-27-11
                                      • 8245

                                      #19
                                      Yet more proof that the NFL is a fixed league.

                                      Officials taking marching orders from NFL executives.

                                      Fukking joke league.
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                                      • KKoz9
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 09-07-06
                                        • 1982

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by SteveRyan
                                        It's actually pretty simple.

                                        When both receivers were down, the GB receiver could not relieve himself of the Seattle receivers grip on the ball.

                                        Simultaneous possession
                                        Touchdown

                                        By the way...all these photos that everyone is posting are no good because they were taken several seconds AFTER both receivers were down. When both receivers were first down, both of them were both struggling for possession of the ball.

                                        Wrong...and wrong...and wrong...
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                                        • SteveRyan
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-15-11
                                          • 1654

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by RonPaul2008
                                          Wrong! The Green Bay player had possession first and the Seattle guy put his hands on the ball afterward. That is not simultaneous possession.
                                          You cant give possession to a receiver while he is still in the air. So this business of "He had it first" does not fly.
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