tcu -1.5 over utah, i just grabbed this

[hoopster42]

posted CFB ATS: 6 - 3 - 1

i think its goin back up to -2, so i grabbed it now, was hoping for -1 or less but i dont think its getting there

tcu uses the 4-2-5 defense which matches up well with the spread offense as long as the defense has talent

last couple of tcu defenses that played utah were not as good as this one

tcu runs the ball and plays great d which really helps on the road, so while the game is in salt lake, they have the type of schemes that travel well

cant see utah offense doing a whole lot tonight against this team that has put it all together this season

TCU -1.5 is the play

[hoopster42]

utah backers, please come in and talk your smack now

please give reasons to support your pick

[I.R.B]

Thats a loser...

[hoopster42]

Thats a loser...

give your reasoning please, otherwise its just a coinflip on your part and you said tails

why is the pick a loser, explain yourself

[Rixsaw]

If TCU win this game it would not be within a field goal. I believe they will win this game by 2 TDs.

I'm also leaning on the over. However, Utah haven't played against a stout D like TCU. Seeing what TCU did to BYU, I don't see Utah scoring more than 14 pts.

[CaneDawg]

Utah will be ready

Had a look ahead game last week....which they used to lose in previous years

Faced the same Defense that TCU plays last week and struggled

They will make adjustments

TCU is tough but I like home dogs on Thursday night TV....see USC/Oregon ST

Good Luck Guys

[teaserpleaser]

I understand the home dog thing its for real, alot of upsets...but I have to go with TCU speed, very good defense and an offense that is rolling pretty good right now. Brian Johnson will turn the ball over when in the face of pressure I've watched him before the knee injury and after he doesnt have the same mobility If hes sacked under 5 times tonight its a win for the Utah o-line.

[bmw530i]

TCU should be giving Utah +3.5 here ...in my opinion from what I have seen from both teams this year. Lmmfao...Utah barely got by New Mexico 13-10, 4 times this year the Utes have won by a touchdown or less...I know stats blah blah...The talking will be done on the field...

[Dbldown11]

Utah faced the same defense last week against New Mexico?????

what an unintelligent statement...If you think new Mexico's D is anywhere near the caliber of TCU's you're a crack head.

Utah struggled against the New Mexico D and will struggle waaaayyy more against this TCU team....

Of all the "BCS Busters" out there this year, TCU is the one that is for real, them and perhaps Boise St.

[hoopster42]

Utah faced the same defense last week against New Mexico?????

what an unintelligent statement...If you think new Mexico's D is anywhere near the caliber of TCU's you're a crack head.

i think he meant the same 4-2-5 alignment, tcu is obviously better than new mexico, but winning down there is always tough and they did out do them by 100 yds, but only putting up 13 pts is a little disappointing, maybe they were looking ahead

[hoopster42]

4 times this year the Utes have won by a touchdown or less

i am on tcu but this is not a fair statement when you look at the teams this happened against, other than crappy michigan in game 1, utah won by 7 at air force, and afa is good these last 2 yrs under the new coach, utah beat oregon state by 3 and those beavers beat usc, so oregon st is pretty good, and at new mexico is not a fun place to play at for anyone, tcu got to play new mex in game 1 but new mex has improved since then, tcu had the bad game in colorado state, still i think tcu is better but look at who utah played before dogging them like that, they are a very good team, i just think this particular matchup favors tcu

[Dbldown11]

either way TCU is far and above Utah IMO. Utah also struggles against Michigan, Air Force, they gave up 21 to Weber St., TCU will put up points against Utah, and Utah won't score as easily as they have all year.

TCU has dominated every game this year with the exception of Oklahoma, and a confusing game against Colorado St. where their offense didnt show up

[hoopster42]

i agree with you, doubledown. 2 very good teams but the matchup favors tcu, we'll find out later on today

[strictlywinners]

I have Utah pretty huge, I'm not going to talk shit or say your a loser and I'm a winner. I feel Utah will be ready though, don't be surprised to see a couple trick plays, reverses reverse passes etc. The reason why Utah struggled last week is that they didn't want to show TCU all the plays they had. Tonight Utah opens up the bag of tricks and wins by 2 TD's.

[bmw530i]

Strictly you puttin large cash on this game???
Dude wait for Saturday to unload....the ducketts

[hoopster42]

The reason why Utah struggled last week is that they didn't want to show TCU all the plays they had.

that logic only works early in the season. utah has played 9 games. throw out last game and tcu has 8 games of utah on film so nothing utah does will surprise them.
utah struggled last wk to score pts because new mex has a good home field advantage and they use the 4-2-5 defense which gives the spread offense that utah runs lots of problems, and also, trick plays dont usually work against fast defenses who can recover when their db's are beaten deep

[strictlywinners]

I went 12k on Utah, don't ask me why it wasn't that strong a play for me value only +21 right now, usually I reserve the 10k plus bets for values of 30+ but I just have a feeling on this one. No one is giving Utah a chance, all of the numbers say Utah will get crushed, but yet the line opened at +1.5. All I can say is Utah will be prepared for this game.

[hoopster42]

All I can say is Utah will be prepared for this game.

a lot like byu was a few wks ago when they played tcu

[strictlywinners]

that logic only works early in the season. utah has played 9 games. throw out last game and tcu has 8 games of utah on film so nothing utah does will surprise them.
utah struggled last wk to score pts because new mex has a good home field advantage and they use the 4-2-5 defense which gives the spread offense that utah runs lots of problems, and also, trick plays dont usually work against fast defenses who can recover when their db's are beaten deep

Ok quick question for you, do you believe that this TCU game is Utah's biggest game of the season? I certainly do! That being said you don't think that the Utes offensive coordinator has drawn up a couple special plays to use against that defense, that they didn't want to show last week because they knew TCU would be watching. Again I do. Anything can happen but this is part of my reasoning for being on Utah.

[kendog819]

Just letting everyone know about the Reverse Line Movement in this game. 79% of the public on TCU. Line moved from TCU -2.5 at open to -1.5 currently. With this being a nationally televised game, my money will be on Utah with the RLM telling me to take them.

[manofmyth]

TCU @ Utah +1/2/43
okay, tcu on the road averages over 30pts/game, and have the top ranked run D in CFB. utah can run the ball well, but going against the top ranked run D, it'll be tough, forcing utah to pass early in downs, or throw screens for RB and WR. There will be a lot of reverses, odd formations, but i beleive TCU's D is smart enough to counter what utah will throw at them, case in point the BYU game. they held BYU to 23yds rush for the entire GAME!! got to the QB 7 times for sacks and held BYU to 7pts, ever since that loss, BYU has not looked the same. The game will come down to Utah's passing attack against TCU secondary and d-line. if TCU's d-line can get to the QB, it'll be a long night for the Utah offense, points will only come from Utah's D forcing a turnover, getting calls their way, or long plays down the field. either way, Utah will have a hard time sustaining drives on TCU's tough D. The flip side of that, is TCU running game against Utah's front 7. They are evenly matched up as far as weight and height, but you have to give the edge to TCU here, they stick to the run. The thing about the BYU game that i noticed was TCU's team speed, they looked FAST!! I mean like SEC kinda fast. They attack on offense with speed, and attack on defense with speed. Have been reading a paper in Utah saying how Utah has speed as well, then on the bottom of the page was a blog comment from someone in Utah laughing at how they said Utah is fast maybe faster than TCU. The comment was how can they be fast when the DB's have been chasing WR and RB all year long. Granted there is a couple guys who Utah has on D that run sub 4.4 speed, but that's only good when you get beat and have to chase someone down. TCU's lone loss came on the road @ Oklahoma. 35-10, that's not bad considering the points Oklahoma is putting up on everyone else. In that game they held Oklahoma to 25yds rushing!!!!! While TCU ran the ball for over 100 yds, at Oklahoma. that's tough right there, to go into Norman, Oklahoma and shut down their running game. So I looked at Oklahoma's schedule this year and see how they fared running the ball at home, in all their home games and the Texas game played in a neutral site, Oklahoma averaged over 165 yds rushing!!!!!! So, for TCU to go on the road and shut down a rushing attack like that is impressive, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that at Utah tonight. Then that leaves the scoring. I initially on first look would say points will be hard to come by. But, with TCU only have 2 games left, this one and a game at home versus Air Force in 2 weeks. I think they will score and score a lot, they need an impressive win, which they can do with a big number tonight. Same can be said with Utah, but TCU needs this game more than Utah. TCU is off next week. If they play good, they'll move up the rankings since 2 top 10 teams will be playing each other (Ok St @ Texas Tech). If TCU wins by a lot, they should move up and hope they don't get passed up like Penn St did last week. So, with 43pt as the O/U, i'd take the over small. I know Utah has a great kicker, but that effectiveness will only play into consideration if Utah can get good field position and sustain drives to give Sakoda a chance, which IMO they can't. Another note, coaching is big in these situations, as I posted earlier in the year about Boise St's HC Peterson, he knew what the importance was of the game @ SJSU. Peterson has been in the situation before with the BCS and winning when winning counts. TCU HC Patterson has been down this road before in 2005 with TCU beating Oklahoma, running the table, and being left out of the BCS, rules were different back then. Now Patterson has a chance to get into the BCS with a big win here. There are a lot of seniors on TCU's team that were there in 2005 when they got snubbed, so this game is big for them and the university. The Utah coach is in unchartered water, never been in this type of BCS atmosphere, hasn't had the media spotlight, it's a short week for his team. And Utah hasn't faced a D like this all year.

TCU half -1 2 units
TCU game -2 2 units
Over 43 .5 unit

[Beat up the book]

I went 12k on Utah, don't ask me why it wasn't that strong a play for me value only +21 right now, usually I reserve the 10k plus bets for values of 30+ but I just have a feeling on this one. No one is giving Utah a chance, all of the numbers say Utah will get crushed, but yet the line opened at +1.5. All I can say is Utah will be prepared for this game.

Hope their prepared to lose!

[Rixsaw]

Manofmyth

[strictlywinners]

ManofMyth write-up very good, I'm still happy with Utah, we will just have to wait and see what happens.

[mmike032]

i'm on TCU also but the RLM has got me worried. I've been burnt by it already a few times tis year. That being said the game is played on the field and not in the line movement so theres bound to be a RLM game that doesnt pan out the way its all betters believe it will

[manofmyth]

thanks rixsaw.

strictly......how you doing buddy, hate that we're on opposite sides, i know when you drop that kinda loot you do it for a reason. should be a great game

[laxdjock]

I think TCU wins by at least 7 (I capped it at -5, -6). I'm 2 units on TCU -2, and I think I'm going to double down on it....not sure I can do a parlay with the over, as I don't think 5Dimes does that.

[BigD]

Just letting everyone know about the Reverse Line Movement in this game. 79% of the public on TCU. Line moved from TCU -2.5 at open to -1.5 currently. With this being a nationally televised game, my money will be on Utah with the RLM telling me to take them.

Game not on national tv only CBS college tv

[manofmyth]

you can watch this game and the Cle/Den game on channelsurfing.net

[sportsguy04]

Cant believe this game isnt on espn. Is the NFL game only on the NFL network tonight?

[BigD]

Cant believe this game isnt on espn. Is the NFL game only on the NFL network tonight?

Yep NFL network

[sportsguy04]

Looks like Ill be having to get updates on espn.com again.. Unless I try that channelsurfing thing everyones been talking about.

[CaneDawg]

Utah faced the same defense last week against New Mexico?????

what an unintelligent statement...If you think new Mexico's D is anywhere near the caliber of TCU's you're a crack head.

Utah struggled against the New Mexico D and will struggle waaaayyy more against this TCU team....

Of all the "BCS Busters" out there this year, TCU is the one that is for real, them and perhaps Boise St.

i meant the same scheme. i in no way meant New Mexico's defense is close to TCU's. i am simply stating this is the secon straight week they face the same scheme.

I agree Utah will have its hands full but I think they win a close one.

For the record I do not smoke crack...I do like cold beverages.

Should be a good game.

[laxdjock]

I doubled down to 4 units (-1 and -2), TCU is my big play of the week.

GL all!

[kendog819]

i took a 3 team teaser with Utah + 10.5, Va Tech + 6.5 and Denver + 12