Does anyone else find it funny......

[Dbldown11]

These right wing conservatives always claim they are such god-fearing men and women. They are against Gay marriage cause god hates it....and they are against abortion because god hates it....

But when it comes to say having the wealthy pay higher taxes in order to help the poor they are all up in arms.....Or when it comes to a ban on ASSAULT weapons (which I can't be sure of but I'm pretty sure Jesus would dissaprove of) they are up in arms.

Listen people you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't claim to be god-fearing good people to prove the points you want, and ignore the bible when you have beliefs that go against it.

I myself am not a religious person but I just think it's funny how these conservatives act sometimes...

[daggerkobe]

Yeah they are against gays except when soliciting sex in MN bathrooms and sexually harrassing male interns.

"Do as we say, not as we do" - GOP

[Iamtheman]

These right wing conservatives always claim they are such god-fearing men and women. They are against Gay marriage cause god hates it....and they are against abortion because god hates it....

But when it comes to say having the wealthy pay higher taxes in order to help the poor they are all up in arms.....Or when it comes to a ban on ASSAULT weapons (which I can't be sure of but I'm pretty sure Jesus would dissaprove of) they are up in arms.

Listen people you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't claim to be god-fearing good people to prove the points you want, and ignore the bible when you have beliefs that go against it.

I myself am not a religious person but I just think it's funny how these conservatives act sometimes...

That's not being conservative, the right word for them is hypocrites

[Dbldown11]

you are 100% about that iamtheman

[Rain Man]

The most intriguing aspect of the belief system that supposedly dictates their decision making is the fact that making a case for a god is no easier than making the case for a santa on the plausibility/logic scale. Rather perplexing to say the least.

[Willie Bee]

I don't think any American should have to pay a higher tax rate than any other American, so no, I don't blame anyone for bitching about being taxed at a higher rate.

[Deuce]

Gay Marriage- Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve

Abortion-Kill living human beings? Why because you couldn't pay the .75 to put a hat on your prick? In cases of incest and rape I understand.

Weapons-Come try to take them, you can have one bullet at a time.

[ryanXL977]

yes its hilarious, but most conservatives havent read the bible, if they had they would realize that christ would never ever ever fight a war , judge another man, or harbor ill will towards gays, sick, poor, or whores

these people are morons that mix religion and politics
its bad for both

[Dbldown11]

Thank you Willie Bee and Deuce for proving my points precisely...Espicially you Deuce... Are you that big of an idiot or did you come in here specifically to prove everything I said.

YOU CANT use the bible to back up some beliefs and disregard it for others.....OK so killing "living human beings" is wrong??? Then why is banning ASSAULT weapons wrong? ASSAULT weapons are used to kill people, you dont need assault weapons for protection or hunting.

And Willie Bee that is fine to make that argument, as long as you are not using the bible to back up other political beliefs. But if you are then you're a hypocrit, because the bible would also tell you to help the less fortunate....not hoard your wealth for yourself

[pavyracer]

Gay Marriage- Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve

Abortion-Kill living human beings? Why because you couldn't pay the .75 to put a hat on your prick? In cases of incest and rape I understand.

Weapons-Come try to take them, you can have one bullet at a time.

1. Adam and Eve where not married. Who married them?

2. They also oppose incest pregnancy abortions as well as rape victim abortions.

3. I own several pistols, rifles and hunting shotguns. I never felt threatened because I didn't own an AK-47 or a Browing .30 caliber machine gun.

[Dbldown11]

I don't think any American should have to pay a higher tax rate than any other American, so no, I don't blame anyone for bitching about being taxed at a higher rate.

Oh and by the way wealthy americans currently do pay higher tax rates.....so learn your stuff. Obama's plan calls to raise it slightly more, only because George W. lowered it slightly.

[pavyracer]

I don't think any American should have to pay a higher tax rate than any other American, so no, I don't blame anyone for bitching about being taxed at a higher rate.

I totally agree. Set the tax rate at 40% for everyone regardless of income. With my estimates Exxon Mobil owes 20 billions this year on 50 billion income and I owe 40,000 on 100,000 income.

Sounds fair.

[ryanXL977]

whats funny is poor people like these guys in here seem to think they will be millionaires one day, they dont want to pay high taxes then

keep dreaming boys

[Willie Bee]

Oh and by the way wealthy americans currently do pay higher tax rates.....so learn your stuff. Obama's plan calls to raise it slightly more, only because George W. lowered it slightly.

Learn my stuff?! Are you serious?! Can you not tell from what I said that I favor a flat tax rate, or even do away with the income tax part and just tack a VAT on goods and services?

[Deuce]

whats funny is poor people like these guys in here seem to think they will be millionaires one day, they dont want to pay high taxes then

keep dreaming boys

How do you know my financial situation?

[Dbldown11]

Learn my stuff?! Are you serious?! Can you not tell from what I said that I favor a flat tax rate, or even do away with the income tax part and just tack a VAT on goods and services?

No, I guess my point was in regards to politics, that either way, no matter who wins there wont be a flat tax. I appologize if I misunderstood, but I thought you were implying that with McCain some people would not have a higher tax rate

[Dbldown11]

So Deuce lets say you are a millionare that believes because of the bible and Adam and Eve Gay Marriage is wrong. And you also believe because of the bible that abortion is wrong.

How do you justify sticking up for the Huge desparity between the upper class and middle class in this country, and also stick up for ASSUALT weapons (not guns in general). Please Explain

[ryanXL977]

he hasnt read the bible his whole life
i guarantee it

[Dbldown11]

Ill tell you why.....You use the bible to defend your moral issues, and you use the "constitution" or some completely morphed view of it to defend your other beliefs, while disregarding the bible. You can't have it both ways.

[Willie Bee]

No, I guess my point was in regards to politics, that either way, no matter who wins there wont be a flat tax. I appologize if I misunderstood, but I thought you were implying that with McCain some people would not have a higher tax rate

No, regardless of whether the elephants or donkeys win today, we will not have a flat tax system. In fact, I can promise you that no matter who wins today, the tax code will become even more cumbersome and more over-complicated than it is already. And you can bet that about 100,000 people who directly work for the IRS will always be against a flat tax, as well as literally millions of other tax attorneys and CPA's. By my guesstimations, using a VAT system to collect taxes would ultimately lead to about $15 billion dollars we could spend on something else instead of keeping just the IRS operating.

[Dbldown11]

A flat tax rate just would not work....

[ryanXL977]

im fine with a flat tax rate , no problem for me. not gonna happen, the superrich will always write everything off then get bailed out

[ryanXL977]

honestly if peopel are still defending this shit after 8 years, whats the point of debate
america has ahd the debate
its done

[Willie Bee]

A flat tax rate just would not work....

Why? Does it make too much sense? Because it's too fair for you and I to both pay the same percentage of our income? Is it 'fair' for you and I to go into a restaurant and be charged different amounts for the same meal just because one of us makes more money than the other one? Please, entertain me with details why it wouldn't work?

[Dbldown11]

It wouldnt work because there wouldnt be enough money to pay for all the shit our government spends money on. What flat rate would you use??? You would have to lower the tax rate for the rich which would significantly reduce the amount of tax revenue....then what do you do?

And a tax rate is not the same as going out to buy a meal. The fact is that if the very wealthy pay a higher rate, they arent "hurting" financially. They are simply giving more to our country because they have more to give. We need this tax revenue to support our country. someone has to pay more, otherwise there isnt enough money (which there already isnt cause of bush). We cant charge middle class more because then they wont have any disposable income to spend which will hurt the economy greatly.

[Dbldown11]

Charging the wealthy a higher rate, produces more tax revenue, and still leaves them with more than enough disposable income

[daggerkobe]

How do u differentiate between reg abortion and rape anyways?

Would McCoot require that they file a rape report? What if a girl has a 1 night stand and gets pregnant.... And the only way to get abortion is falsely accuse the guy with rape? So the innocent guy does 30 years in prison just so the slut can get an abortion.

I love how neo-nitwits are against teaching safe sex and birth control such as morning after pills in schools when this would contribute to lowering abortions dramatically.

But these are the same morons that think shipping our jobs overseas will help solve unemployment and joblessness.

Clinton = 22 million jobs created.... lower unemployment and less people on welfare. Get it now?????

[ryanXL977]

if we didnt invade iraq our country would be doing a ton better

[Deuce]

How do u differentiate between reg abortion and rape anyways?

Would McCoot require that they file a rape report? What if a girl has a 1 night stand and gets pregnant.... And the only way to get abortion is falsely accuse the guy with rape? So the innocent guy does 30 years in prison just so the slut can get an abortion.

I love how neo-nitwits are against teaching safe sex and birth control such as morning after pills in schools when this would contribute to lowering abortions dramatically.

But these are the same morons that think shipping our jobs overseas will help solve unemployment and joblessness.

Clinton = 22 million jobs created.... lower unemployment and less people on welfare. Get it now?????

1. Put a hat on your fukking prick. All else fails, morning after pill.

2. Clinton was in office during the dot com boom which resulted in a fukk ton more jobs. Welfare was as strong as ever.

[Dbldown11]

Deuce please start using your brain....Even if just for a minute.....He said that the same people that are anti-abortion are in many cases the same people that are against teaching birth-control and safe sex in schools.

Once again an example of crazy right wing conservatives trying to have their cake and eat it too.

[juzgotlucky]

i know someone who's reading a bible a lot but secretly spreading gossip over others people's life. they are totally hypocrites. Always looking at other peoples flaws in life but cannot correct their own!

[daggerkobe]

how would they know about birth control and morning after pills when they aren't taught about it????? Plus the religious wackos call the morning after pills, abortion pills, which is not true. And these kids are taught that sex is a sin so when they do have sex, birth control is the last thing on their minds.

Let's see if u know what the hell ur talking about..... how many of the 22 million jobs were from dot-com?

[Willie Bee]

It wouldnt work because there wouldnt be enough money to pay for all the shit our government spends money on. What flat rate would you use??? You would have to lower the tax rate for the rich which would significantly reduce the amount of tax revenue....then what do you do?

And a tax rate is not the same as going out to buy a meal. The fact is that if the very wealthy pay a higher rate, they arent "hurting" financially.

First off, let me know how you feel about this when you're paying the highest rate going.

Secondly, I'm not sure about what the optimum rate would be. Maybe 24%, maybe 27%. Could still exempt households with earnings under X, and by taking away the loopholes -- for both individuals and corporations -- many studies suggest we wind up with even greater revenue, not less.

[Dbldown11]

well I dont understand how those studies figured that, but I find that hard to believe.

And secondly Willie I hope that someday I am paying the highest tax rate, because I would still have more money at that point than I do now.

[Deuce]

how would they know about birth control and morning after pills when they aren't taught about it????? Plus the religious wackos call the morning after pills, abortion pills, which is not true. And these kids are taught that sex is a sin so when they do have sex, birth control is the last thing on their minds.

Let's see if u know what the hell ur talking about..... how many of the 22 million jobs were from dot-com?

1. I was never taught how to use a condom, what my options were, where to find morning after pills, etc. I know how to use them, I know where they are located, I know what happens when you don't use them. I am not against teaching kids about them at all. I am realistic. They are going to do it just teach them. Simple.

2. He created millions of them. I know for a fact it was over 10 million because in 2000-2001 10 million were lost in the dot com "bust".