I hate the NFL......SHIT IS SO FIXED

[k13]

If it is fixed, should be a lot easier to bet on, no?

[PhillyUnionCC]

[Strategic Gamer]

If it is fixed, should be a lot easier to bet on, no?

Most certainly. Key is to recognize it when it happens - game theory at it's best

[Luv2Play2]

" FIX " maybe the wrong word for it,but there is some pretty shady sh$t going on in sports.. ie: ref making a bad call or no call, a review not over ruled, or one let stand that should have been.. down 18 wth 5 ticks on the clock and foul.. doesnt change the outcome of the gm.. but dam sure changes the $$$$ flow..2 outs 0/2 count and an ump calls a ball on an obvious strike next pitch goes into the bleachers.. tm A still wins but the paper changed hands..you make the call.. no way i believe tms/players are bought but im dam sure the KAT in the stripped suit is up to funny business..

[JMon]

Oh... I went 8-1 ATS today..

[815Sox]

I'm not saying I agree with Bradley. But have you never considered that the fixing doesn't have to have anything at all to do with the multi millionaire players...but the much less well paid guys who wear black and white? If you watched the Ravens v Jags on MNF you would know what I mean.

Not trying to argue, but I did watch that game and I do not know what you mean. Its sports, things happen all the time. I am not suggesting that it doesn't happen ever. Because we have examples of when it has, however, time after time after time they get caught. Read an article about the Black Sox Scandal.

The people involved were extremely powerful and had lots of money. They still got caught? Why? Because people talked. The entire White Sox team was not in on it, only some of them. Obviously, you are going to know something is up.

Sit back and think just how hard it would be to rig an NFL game. How would one even start such a conspiracy? Football is a major cash cow and the beneficiaries of it are going to protect it from things that can hurt it (like a betting scandal). Look at what happened to the NBA.

[815Sox]

Most certainly. Key is to recognize it when it happens - game theory at it's best

Can you give some examples of some tells/ways to find out if a game is fixed? Do you hear about this before? Or do you recognize it during the game itself? Serious questions.

[grizzlies1]

I really think you're looking at this from the wrong angle. It wouldn't be hard for a refereeing crew to be bought at all. Whether it's by the bookies, the mob or a random syndicate. They don't even need to affect the result of the game...just make sure it stays under, goes over or let a certain team cover the spread. It is very very easy easy to do for refs esp in Football and Bball. A couple of holding calls will absolutely kill a drive and can be called on pretty much every play if they wish. Bball refs can send a total soaring over, or make sure a team covers by calling a foul every time they go to the basket. See the Texas A&M - St Johns game.

[KnowingNothing]

First thing people go to when they lose is the potential that a game is "fixed".

[Strategic Gamer]

Again - grey area everyone - if you want to be sharp it's key to never be closed minded to the agenda's of all participants that can affect the outcome - always use your common sense and look for signals such as HUGE last minute line movements like Green Bay (somehow not getting the highly publicized record) game and Giants game (lines moving in counter-intuitive direction). Like 815Sox I'm not saying it's necessarily fixed - but considering other variables besides EV's and stats might best be part of your reasoning aresenal. Unfortunately I did not follow my own advice today - but let's face it it this huge movement gave all informed bettors a cause for concern and we may have rationalized some of this away?

A conspiracy? No - but tonnes of factors other than x's & o's can influence the final result. Just sayin'!

[JMon]

Again - grey area everyone - if you want to be sharp it's key to never be closed minded to the agenda's of all participants that can affect the outcome - always use your common sense and look for signals such as HUGE last minute line movements like Green Bay (somehow not getting the highly publicized record) game and Giants game (lines moving in counter-intuitive direction). Like 815Sox I'm not saying it's necessarily fixed - but considering other variables besides EV's and stats might best be part of your reasoning aresenal. Unfortunately I did not follow my own advice today - but let's face it it this huge movement gave all informed bettors a cause for concern and we may have rationalized some of this away?

A conspiracy? No - but tonnes of factors other than x's & o's can influence the final result. Just sayin'!

Easy there bro..the last time I spoke of critical thinking, it lands in "Players Talk" If you want your post to make a difference to do not go over the moderators heads.

[Luv2Play2]

absolutey right

I really think you're looking at this from the wrong angle. It wouldn't be hard for a refereeing crew to be bought at all. Whether it's by the bookies, the mob or a random syndicate. They don't even need to affect the result of the game...just make sure it stays under, goes over or let a certain team cover the spread. It is very very easy easy to do for refs esp in Football and Bball. A couple of holding calls will absolutely kill a drive and can be called on pretty much every play if they wish. Bball refs can send a total soaring over, or make sure a team covers by calling a foul every time they go to the basket. See the Texas A&M - St Johns game.

i have 1 of those fucs here in fla..still waiting for his book..nahhh he'd be a dead man

[broadway6]

nfl is the hardest sport to bet...it's been like that for a long time

[Westcoast0]

bradleysnyder, please dont stop posting plays fella....we need you

chin up

[Strategic Gamer]

Thanks Jmon - although not sure what you mean by 'going over the moderators' heads? I'm new here but certainly don't think I said anything offensive or at all controversial. If so kindly advise - cheers!

[Strategic Gamer]

Easy there bro..the last time I spoke of critical thinking, it lands in "Players Talk" If you want your post to make a difference to do not go over the moderators heads.

Thanks Jmon - although not sure what you mean by 'going over the moderators' heads? I'm new here but certainly don't think I said anything offensive or at all controversial. If so kindly advise - cheers!

[JMon]

Thanks Jmon - although not sure what you mean by 'going over the moderators' heads? I'm new here but certainly don't think I said anything offensive or at all controversial. If so kindly advise - cheers!

Sarcasm, my friend. This forum do not take to intellectual folk!

[DOMINATER]

sorry guys games our altered all the time

[Strategic Gamer]

LOL - understood mate!

[Serbone]

No. Its not fixed. You just made bad picks. Quite the ego you have. I hate it when people suggest sports are fixed or any other BS conspiracy theory. There is a one in a billion chance that the game actually is fixed. When games are fixed 99.999 percent of the time they get caught. We have example after example of this. People talk, plain and simple. Somebody always squeals when these things happen.

The NFL is America's most popular sport and generates billions of dollars. You are trying to tell me that a group of people are somehow rigging the outcomes of these games and getting away with it? Obviously, players have to be in on a fix... and you are willing to suggest that not a single one has ever admitted it? Look at the Black Sox Scandal, those players ended up talking quick.

The people that are fixing the games? Who are they? How much money do they have, how many of them are there? They obviously have to be very powerful because they are somehow coordinating a massive conspiracy and paying players that makes millions of dollars to throw games.

Having this kind of mentality is going to lose most people lots of money. They are unable to admit that they made bad picks, how could they ever be wrong they ask. I knew this game was a LOCK, no way it didn't win they think. Problem is, we learn by making mistakes. If you are unwilling to admit you made one, than you are also unable to adjust and learn from it.

At my sisters wedding, I had a guy tell me to "not to pick teams according to numbers/talent/handicapping but by trying to figure out which team the mob is on". He was dead serious too. Completely convinced that the mob had a hand in every game.

This isn't aimed at the OP personally, but it really drives me nuts. You had a rough day, but don't come on here whining to everybody that you lost but you really didn't lose because somebody cheated. Its like a little kid.

About 1/3 of the games, you picked the right team, they won clear cut and beat the spread by 14+ pts.
About 1/3 of the games, you picked the wrong team, it lost clear cut and lost to the spread by 14+ pts.
About 1/3 of the games, whether you picked the right team or the wrong team, a deflected pass or outrageous holding call or a fumble in the red zone or a dropped pass or a ridiculous pass interference call results in one team getting 7 points late in the game, last score wins, or not, covering the spread or not covering the spread.
LUCK!
That's why bookies keep 10% of the action and laugh their ass off.
Do the math, it is not as simple as 10%. If you go 6-2, compared to 2-6, it is a lot more than 10% difference.

[firehoyt]

Has b-rad (Rollin on dubs) shown back up in his thread?!

[PAULYPOKER]

It's been an odd week. Indy beat Tennessee Kansas beat Green Bay Carolina beat Houston Seattle beat Chicago Washington beat Giants Of the 10 games played so far today, 6 dogs won. Nobody saw most of this coming. I can understand Carolina just because they have put up big points this season, but the rest are pretty flukey. I suppose that the Hanie situation helped Seattle quite a bit though.

Indy beat Tennessee ,no surprise

Kansas beat Green Bay ,shocker

Carolina beat Houston, popped the play-off birth cherry let down

Seattle beat Chicago ,no surprise

Washington beat Giants,no surprise

no rigged games today..........

[Serbone]

If it is fixed, should be a lot easier to bet on, no?

The old joke about the racetrack.
If you TOLD all of the horseplayer bettors at the track that EVERY SINGLE RACE was fixed, the same people would show up every day and try to figure out which horses would win based on the "fix" being on...

[JMon]

Indy beat Tennessee ,no surprise

Kansas beat Green Bay ,shocker

Carolina beat Houston, popped the play-off birth cherry let down

Seattle beat Chicago ,no surprise

Washington beat Giants,no surprise

no rigged games today..........

Funny...I was on right side of everyone of those game today.

[BigDofBA]

It's the NFL. It's the hardest sport to bet on imo. You really have no idea WTF will happen.

I read on another site that the Green Bay game was fixed....the line then dropped three points and they ended up losing straight up.

Either way, it was apparent Green bay didn't care about the game.

[Mikail]

I didn't place a single wager today. It was pretty obvious that things wasn't on the up and up today in the NFL games. It always amazes me how these weekends come where almost all the games make little to know sense. Coincidence? I doubt it!

[BigDofBA]

I didn't place a single wager today. It was pretty obvious that things wasn't on the up and up today in the NFL games. It always amazes me how these weekends come where almost all the games make little to know sense. Coincidence? I doubt it!

Yeah. Colts get first win. Pack get first loss.

Giants and Ravens get blown out.

My Cowboys actually win a game they're supposed to!

[allabout the $$$]

Books are making a KILLING last few weeks. Especially this week. NFL does look fixed this season.

last week the players destroyed the books

[face]

this happened today. i don't know where to post it. not big news.

[k13]

Books make a line like -1 Bal and then laugh at people....

[TodayIsForgotten]

It's been an odd week.

Indy beat Tennessee
Kansas beat Green Bay
Carolina beat Houston
Seattle beat Chicago
Washington beat Giants

Of the 10 games played so far today, 6 dogs won.

Nobody saw most of this coming. I can understand Carolina just because they have put up big points this season, but the rest are pretty flukey. I suppose that the Hanie situation helped Seattle quite a bit though.

3 of those games didn't come with a surprise, honestly. Titans, Hawks and Redskins. Giants, just flat out suck. Didn't Hassleback get injured the week before? I thought that would play into a colts team that was playing some inspired ball of late. And Chicago. No QB. No win.

I can understand the OP, though. Sometimes you just hit a bad streak and it feels like every game is somehow rigged. I'm not sure if games are rigged to the extent where clear winners are chosen. Using probability they can't 100% guarantee a bogus call whether done on purpose or by accident is going to result in an end result to their liking.

[No coincidences]

I love the NFL. My favorite sport to bet on by far.

[No coincidences]

nfl is the hardest sport to bet...it's been like that for a long time

It's a hard sport to cap, because teams are, for all intents and purposes, very close talent-wise. The NFL wants a competitive balance, and for the most part, they get it.

I would disagree that it's the hardest sport to bet. You pretty much let the lines do the talking for you.

[PAULYPOKER]

I love the NFL. My favorite sport to bet on by far.

You and I both know why.............SSSSHHH...........

[No coincidences]

You and I both know why.............SSSSHHH...........