Jaguars Player Rips Brady : "He Ain't All That"

matskralc · 01-13-08, 12:38 PM

Well, he's right that throwing a bunch of underneaths and check-downs isn't all that impressive. However, we know full well that Brady is good enough to play a different type of passing game if New England wanted to.

The Patriots' brilliance is that they are always willing to adapt. If the Jags wanted to take away Moss, then fine: they would kill you with the dinkanddunk game. What's impressive is that the Patriots were perfectly willing to do that.

chandler1981 · 01-13-08, 12:51 PM

The dumb ass prob didnt even realize their Defense was giving them 10 yds cushion because of Brady's ability to eat them alive. If Jacks. would have played a physical man D, Brady would have beat them bady on the deep ball. Tell Nelson to go watch some film!

SPECULATOR 13 · 01-13-08, 01:08 PM

CRAZY.,

What he said is what everybody in the NFL thinks off camera,Brady is a Sports media assholes invention.Remember NE 1st SB?
Tye Law intercepted 2 KEY passes on top of covering Holt like a second skin.One interception was return for a TD(only twice in SB history) and the other one gave NE the ball for the 46 yr game winning Field by Vitineri (whom had 4 big ones during that game).Richard Seymour made M.Faulk disappear by completely shutting down the running game.
BUT GUEST WHAT THE SPORTS MEDIA ASSHOLES GAVE THE MVP TO BRADY!!![14-23=123YRDS,0TD] !!!
Tell me whatever you want crazy.?
Yesterday Brady was standing there all f*cking game long holding is dick hand with absolutly no pressure,whom ever is Jax DEF. coordinator should get is f*cking ass fired on the mother-F*cking spot Monday morning.
The white media assholes would have you believed that Randi Moss was a canadian football league reject that was living on a street smoking crack until he got save by Brady .Do you remember what Moss did in his rookie year for Jeff Gorge in Minnesota!

So i congratulate that player for saying what all the other players think in private,off camera.

ShamsWoof10 · 01-13-08, 01:23 PM

I agree Brady definately isn't all that.... but his OLine is... his recievers are..and his coach is...

Wrigley · 01-13-08, 02:02 PM

The Pats sure did well under Bledsoe how many SB would they have won without Brady?

Louisvillekid1 · 01-13-08, 02:24 PM

Uncalled for, prob said out of frustration

Sportsgirl · 01-13-08, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Louisvillekid1

Uncalled for, prob said out of frustration

Yeah, he probably just forgot about Brady's 50 TDs this season and his almost 5,000 yards he threw for.

swede96 · 01-14-08, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by SPECULATOR 13

CRAZY.,

What he said is what everybody in the NFL thinks off camera,Brady is a Sports media assholes invention.Remember NE 1st SB?
Tye Law intercepted 2 KEY passes on top of covering Holt like a second skin.One interception was return for a TD(only twice in SB history) and the other one gave NE the ball for the 46 yr game winning Field by Vitineri (whom had 4 big ones during that game).Richard Seymour made M.Faulk disappear by completely shutting down the running game.
BUT GUEST WHAT THE SPORTS MEDIA ASSHOLES GAVE THE MVP TO BRADY!!![14-23=123YRDS,0TD] !!!
Tell me whatever you want crazy.?
Yesterday Brady was standing there all f*cking game long holding is dick hand with absolutly no pressure,whom ever is Jax DEF. coordinator should get is f*cking ass fired on the mother-F*cking spot Monday morning.
The white media assholes would have you believed that Randi Moss was a canadian football league reject that was living on a street smoking crack until he got save by Brady .Do you remember what Moss did in his rookie year for Jeff Gorge in Minnesota!

So i congratulate that player for saying what all the other players think in private,off camera.

I may have respected your post and your opinion a tiny bit if you hadn'yt pulled the damn race card. Is that what all the jealous people have really resorted to? Sad.

SBR Lou · 01-14-08, 12:58 PM

I love the perception that Brady's offensive line is somehow the best in history. That's honestly not true!

He has two outright studs on it in Mankins and Coppen, the rest of the line is good but has vulnerabilities. He is not working with a line as good as Peyton Manning's. There are several occasions where he makes his line look better!

Yes sometimes he's going against a weak ass D-line and he's able to stand there relatively free, but against a better defensive unit it's his quick release and ability to anticipate pressure that make his line look even better. It's a real good line, with a couple of GREAT guys on it, but the entire line is not just amazingly talented or anywhere near the best in "history".

Mr Handicapable · 01-14-08, 02:50 PM

First of all...I'm 42...a huge Colts fan and I HATE the Patriots! I've seen most of the greats of the modern era and Brady is already the best thats ever played the game! Moss is the most talented WR to ever play (when he feels like it) so you put the 2 together and you get what we have this year! Maybe in his first Super Bowl...Brady's numbers were ordinary but managing the game and the team to victory is what he does better than anyone! Montana is the only QB truly to be in his league and Brady gets the edge with arm strength, height, and durability! Brady is the Michael Jordan of the NFL so even the guys like me that are rooting against him every week should atleast appreciate greatness!

The Seer · 01-14-08, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

First of all...I'm 42...a huge Colts fan and I HATE the Patriots! I've seen most of the greats of the modern era and Brady is already the best thats ever played the game! Moss is the most talented WR to ever play (when he feels like it) so you put the 2 together and you get what we have this year! Maybe in his first Super Bowl...Brady's numbers were ordinary but managing the game and the team to victory is what he does better than anyone! Montana is the only QB truly to be in his league and Brady gets the edge with arm strength, height, and durability! Brady is the Michael Jordan of the NFL so even the guys like me that are rooting against him every week should atleast appreciate greatness!

Plus, he plays behind the best O line I've ever seen. The guy doesn't get touched.

The Seer · 01-14-08, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by crazyl

I love the perception that Brady's offensive line is somehow the best in history. That's honestly not true!

He has two outright studs on it in Mankins and Coppen, the rest of the line is good but has vulnerabilities. He is not working with a line as good as Peyton Manning's. There are several occasions where he makes his line look better!

Yes sometimes he's going against a weak ass D-line and he's able to stand there relatively free, but against a better defensive unit it's his quick release and ability to anticipate pressure that make his line look even better. It's a real good line, with a couple of GREAT guys on it, but the entire line is not just amazingly talented or anywhere near the best in "history".

I don't agree. That O-line is extremely good as a unit. There might be better individuals, but there is no better group.

Mr Handicapable · 01-14-08, 03:06 PM

Another stat I heard last week....Belechik's career record is 42-58 without Brady! Tony Dungy turned Tampa into a winner with sorry Trent Dilfer and was a play away from the Super Bowl w/Shaun King...lol! The horse wins the race not the jockey...Brady makes BeleCheat!!

The Seer · 01-14-08, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by SPECULATOR 13

CRAZY.,

What he said is what everybody in the NFL thinks off camera,Brady is a Sports media assholes invention.Remember NE 1st SB?
Tye Law intercepted 2 KEY passes on top of covering Holt like a second skin.One interception was return for a TD(only twice in SB history) and the other one gave NE the ball for the 46 yr game winning Field by Vitineri (whom had 4 big ones during that game).Richard Seymour made M.Faulk disappear by completely shutting down the running game.
BUT GUEST WHAT THE SPORTS MEDIA ASSHOLES GAVE THE MVP TO BRADY!!![14-23=123YRDS,0TD] !!!
Tell me whatever you want crazy.?
Yesterday Brady was standing there all f*cking game long holding is dick hand with absolutly no pressure,whom ever is Jax DEF. coordinator should get is f*cking ass fired on the mother-F*cking spot Monday morning.
The white media assholes would have you believed that Randi Moss was a canadian football league reject that was living on a street smoking crack until he got save by Brady .Do you remember what Moss did in his rookie year for Jeff Gorge in Minnesota!

So i congratulate that player for saying what all the other players think in private,off camera.

It's the nature of the position. He gets all of the crdit for winning but he gets credit for losing too.

The Seer · 01-14-08, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by matskralc

Well, he's right that throwing a bunch of underneaths and check-downs isn't all that impressive. However, we know full well that Brady is good enough to play a different type of passing game if New England wanted to.

The Patriots' brilliance is that they are always willing to adapt. If the Jags wanted to take away Moss, then fine: they would kill you with the dinkanddunk game. What's impressive is that the Patriots were perfectly willing to do that.

This is right on.

swede96 · 01-14-08, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

First of all...I'm 42...a huge Colts fan and I HATE the Patriots! I've seen most of the greats of the modern era and Brady is already the best thats ever played the game! Moss is the most talented WR to ever play (when he feels like it) so you put the 2 together and you get what we have this year! Maybe in his first Super Bowl...Brady's numbers were ordinary but managing the game and the team to victory is what he does better than anyone! Montana is the only QB truly to be in his league and Brady gets the edge with arm strength, height, and durability! Brady is the Michael Jordan of the NFL so even the guys like me that are rooting against him every week should atleast appreciate greatness!

Thank you! That's all I'm trying to say, but since I am a Pats fan it always comes off as pimping my team instead of true appreciation of a great player.

pokernut9999 · 01-14-08, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

Another stat I heard last week....Belechik's career record is 42-58 without Brady! Tony Dungy turned Tampa into a winner with sorry Trent Dilfer and was a play away from the Super Bowl w/Shaun King...lol! The horse wins the race not the jockey...Brady makes BeleCheat!!

I believe that was his record when he was rebuilding the Cleveland Browns. He took over a 3-13 team and 4 years later they led the league in defense and eliminated the Patriots from the playoffs that year.

The most interesting fact is that Bill Parcells never won a Superbowl without him.

swede96 · 01-14-08, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Mr Handicapable

Another stat I heard last week....Belechik's career record is 42-58 without Brady! Tony Dungy turned Tampa into a winner with sorry Trent Dilfer and was a play away from the Super Bowl w/Shaun King...lol! The horse wins the race not the jockey...Brady makes BeleCheat!!

Why is it so hard to understand that this team is great for MANY reasons? QB, coach, O line, D line, recievers...all come together to form a near-perfect team. Everyone on that team deserves credit.

RageWizard · 01-14-08, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by swede96

Why is it so hard to understand that this team is great for MANY reasons? QB, coach, O line, D line, recievers...all come together to form a near-perfect team. Everyone on that team deserves credit.

As a Miami fan I hate to admit it but it is true. In all likelyhood they are going to win the superbowl and tie the undefeated record, which will mean they actual beat the undefeated record because of the greater number of games. I blame the front office of the dolphins for letting all the good players from Miami to go to the Patriots. It's like the Patriots have the college draft and then get to pick Miami's pocket for players.

Dark Horse · 01-14-08, 03:32 PM

Pats should enjoy their success because that pretty smile is about to be wiped off Brady's face.

They always out-motivate strong opponents. Not this time, baby.

Mr Handicapable · 01-14-08, 03:37 PM

You think the Bucs were good before Dungy got there? I'm not saying Belechik isn't a good coach but Brady makes him look good! Joe Gibbs was the man back in the day...3 rings with 3 different QBs!! How many has Phil Jackson won w/o Jordan or Shaq....yet he's considered a genius too??

Mr Handicapable · 01-14-08, 03:59 PM

I don't really agree that the Pats are a monster team across the board either!! The defense is older than Joan Rivers...made AJ Feeley look like Joe Montana and David Garrard look like Warren Moon! Samuel is about the only stud thats in his prime on the defense but Brady/Moss/Welker/strong O-Line are about as good as you can get in the salary cap era

WestsidePete · 01-14-08, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by crazyl

"He ain't all that … He's all right," Nelson said.

"It was a check down game," Nelson said, suggesting that most of Brady's completions were short and underneath the pass coverage. "Anybody can go 26-of-28 in a dump-down game."

Wow.

26 of 28 come out to be a completion of 92.85% and that last one was dropped on his very last pass attempt...I wonder how many times this comp% has happened in the playoffs...first one over 90%...what a f*ckin stupid comment...

Sportsgirl · 01-14-08, 05:58 PM

And I thought Anthony Smith would end up being the biggest idiot of the season. He has been overtaken.

dwaechte · 01-14-08, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by SPECULATOR 13

CRAZY.,

What he said is what everybody in the NFL thinks off camera,Brady is a Sports media assholes invention.Remember NE 1st SB?
Tye Law intercepted 2 KEY passes on top of covering Holt like a second skin.One interception was return for a TD(only twice in SB history) and the other one gave NE the ball for the 46 yr game winning Field by Vitineri (whom had 4 big ones during that game).Richard Seymour made M.Faulk disappear by completely shutting down the running game.
BUT GUEST WHAT THE SPORTS MEDIA ASSHOLES GAVE THE MVP TO BRADY!!![14-23=123YRDS,0TD] !!!
Tell me whatever you want crazy.?
Yesterday Brady was standing there all f*cking game long holding is dick hand with absolutly no pressure,whom ever is Jax DEF. coordinator should get is f*cking ass fired on the mother-F*cking spot Monday morning.
The white media assholes would have you believed that Randi Moss was a canadian football league reject that was living on a street smoking crack until he got save by Brady .Do you remember what Moss did in his rookie year for Jeff Gorge in Minnesota!

So i congratulate that player for saying what all the other players think in private,off camera.

This has to be the worst post of the month right?

pokernut9999 · 01-14-08, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by WestsidePete

26 of 28 come out to be a completion of 92.85% and that last one was dropped on his very last pass attempt...I wonder how many times this comp% has happened in the playoffs...what a f*ckin stupid comment...

He set records for completion % and most complete passes in a row for playoffs.

WestsidePete · 01-14-08, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

He set records for completion % and most complete passes in a row for playoffs.

opposing players must really be hating Brady to come up with excuses why he does well...

harsh506 · 01-14-08, 06:32 PM

Why is it that all the random safeties that have done nothing in the league yet keep taking shots at brady. First Anthony Smith says shit, and Brady shits all over him. Now Reggie Nelson, who isn't bad, but hasn't really done anything in the league says stuff. Notice how no1 on the Jags have come out and backed him up. They know better. It actually could have meant somthing if they had won or had it come from Fred Taylor. Its one thing if som1 like John Lynch, Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu says somthin like this and its another when players who talk even though their teams r out of the playoffs say it.

What I would say to Reggie Nelson: You should have learned to stop the short pass the first 20 times the Pats did it

TexansFan · 01-14-08, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by ShamsWoof10

I agree Brady definately isn't all that.... but his OLine is... his recievers are..and his coach is...

I'd say Brady is pretty damn good.

He already has 3 superbowl rings , 2 Superbowl MVPs , a 2007NFL MVP award , and the Highest winning % ever of any starting QB in the HISTORY of the NFL.

Junkyard Dog · 01-14-08, 09:48 PM

im no brady or pats fan, but a rookie should notbe talking smack about him

stump · 01-15-08, 12:37 AM

He is so acurate, just like Montana was in his prime. Every ball is right in stride or only where his receiver can catch it. Whether youlike Brady or not, you have got to appreciate how good he is.
Secondly, can't these guys lose with some class, this moron and then Wade Phillips saying the better team did not win. Shut the hell up and play ball, the giants deserved to win that game, not the cowboys

Razz · 01-15-08, 01:30 AM

I enjoyed this line by ESPN.com's DJ Gallo:

"Ridiculous statement, right? Maybe not. Before you rip Nelson, realize he might know what he's talking about. He's a rookie out of Florida, after all. Florida alums know a thing or two about overrated quarterbacks who put up hollow numbers."

Seattle Slew · 01-15-08, 01:34 AM

Kinda like Isiah Thomas' statement about Larry Bird in 1987. "If he were black, he'd just be another good guy."

swede96 · 01-15-08, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Sportsgirl

And I thought Anthony Smith would end up being the biggest idiot of the season. He has been overtaken.

Right?! Sheesh...they never learn.