Week 1 2009 Season NFL lines

[cocknocker]

Panthers-1
Browns+3
Patriots-10

[rezkoness69]

Panthers-1
Browns+3
Patriots-10

man you've been reppin those pats in week 1 for weeks now, i hope you're right haha. I'm not as confident as you in them I guess. Also, just curious, who you think will be under center for the browns in the season opener? You really like them either way? I still wanna convice you in taking my bears too

[waco66]

Packers -3?

[brooks85]

Pats/bills over 46.5
Bengals -3
vikings -3
SD/Oak under 44

[rezkoness69]

I like that under a lot brooks. Man I can't wait till the NFL, not as much for the betting as the pure entertainment, but the fact that we're making picks for games that are 9 weeks away is saying something too haha

[rossta4i]

The only game I'm playing now is 49'ers +7. The losers of prior super bowls never covered an open season game for the past something like 5 years. I think it started with Oakland losing the super bowl.

[rezkoness69]

I like that stat rossta. You know the public's gonna pound the sht out of Kurt warner and larry fitz's asses. Even better, I saw the cards at -6.5 earlier today in some places. Is it even possible that there can be RLM 8 weeks before week 1? Who knows

[Irish Jet]

1. They let coles go, their #1 wr. That's a big hit. It's all fine & good to release coles if they could replace talent with talent. The jets didn't. There's going to be a hole there. Who's gonna set up? Chansi stuckey? Clowney? Brad smith? Give me a break. These guys are all second rate at best alongside career #2 wr in cotchery.

2. They gave up their entire draft to move up to get sanchez. Another hit. They might have gotten a solid wr in the draft, to replace coles. Instead, a qb who will not be productive early in the year, a rb with potential in the 3rd round, but they've already got jones. Then a guard in the 6th round. They gave up a lot for sanchez who won't be immediately productive, so the team takes a net hit, at least until sanchez proves that he can be a solid nfl starter.

3. They threw in kenyon coleman, brett ratliff, and abram elam in the sanchez deal as well. Trading ratliff makes sense when they're drafting sanchez, but coleman was a major contributor on defense. Elam was solid at safety last year. Worse yet, they couldn't replace talent with talent. With no draft picks or free agency moves, they've basically taken a net loss on defense. Sure, they got sheppard from the eagles, but i'd still have questions about the continuity of the personnel. Rex ryan is solid, though, so the defense should still be solid.

In conclusion, they gave up a ton for sanchez, fine. He my end up having a great career. But week 1 of a rookie qb's career, i'm not expecting much. Going from hof qb brett favre to someone with zero nfl experience is a huge drop off. Don't let last year's heroics of matt ryan fool you, rookie qbs get schooled. I'm not even 100% convinced that sancez will be starting week 1 anyway. Then who've you got clemons? I'm not scared by the nyj qbs, especially against a very capable and severely underrated texans defense.

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hiya!

[Irish Jet]

Yeah, the defense will be fine, I said that above. Yet, don't start thinking they're going to be the Ravens starting week 1. Sure they've got some good talent, but it still remains to be seen how these players fit together in a new scheme under a new coaching staff, etc. It may gel together at some point, but it may not happen week 1. Say what you will about Coleman, but he was a starter for the NYJ at DE for the last two years, same with Elam.

On offense, you can't just say, "We can't pass, so we'll run.". That's not how it works in the NFL. If you can't pass, you'll see 8 in the box all day. Not to mention, the NYJ is not exactly a smash mouth type of team on offense. If they don't have a balanced attack, this team will struggle on offense.

It's fine to be a fan of your team, but there's a lot that remains to be seen on a team that is basically renovating the roster from top to bottom. I'm not sure how anyone can predict anything about this team, besides the basic fact that they'll be nursing along a rookie QB.

[Irish Jet]

You'll have to explain this to me.

The Texans have a lot of momentum coming out of last season, with a lot to prove in a week 1 opener at home. Last year the Texans saw how it was to get behind early in the season and I expect them to come out firing to keep pace in a tough division.

The Jets are reeling after a meltdown last season. Enter a new coach & new regime, new players and a rookie at QB. This team has more questions than answers in week 1.

So, given that the home teams gets the 3, under normal circumstances, the lines suggests that the Texans & Jets are approximately equal in week 1. I think this is simply wrong. I guess that's why they play the game, we'll see what happens when the players play it out for real.

[Irish Jet]

Wrong. 5-1 in 2008, 3-3 in 2007, 3-3 in 2006.


Schaub finished the season at QB. Schaub was 6-5 as a starter, Rosenfels was 2-3. Schaub had a QB rating of 92.7, Rosenfels was 79.5.

Yes, it is funny how you have no clue what you are talking about. Your facts are simply wrong.




Nobody thinks Revis in this way. Brick is a borderline bust. For being picked #4 overall, he hasn't even been to a pro bowl.

It isn't about picking a couple matchups anyway. It's a team game. The Texans are a team, the Jets are a collection of "talent". I'm not even convinced of the quality of talent on the Jets team. Most of them are overrated veterans on the back end of their career. Besides, it takes a QB to win against quality teams in the NFL, entering week 1, the Jets have no proven NFL QB.

[Irish Jet]

Dredging up 2007 is really reaching. But since you mention it, Schaub had a passer rating of 87.2 in his first year as a full time starter on a new team in 2007. That's not bad. Keep whiffing, fanboy.

Credibility?! Do you know what position Revis plays? Hint, it isn't QB! haha. Do you know what kind of expectations there are for high first round draft picks? Watch football? All I do is track the NFL 24/7/365. What information would you like me to digest, specifically? Besides the fact that you are a huge Jets fanboy?

[Irish Jet]

It's just a tiny indication of your predisposition for mistakes.

Enjoy the Favre scapegoating while you can. It won't take long and the Jets fans will have a new QB scapegoat.

He was a backup on the Pro Bowl roster, for the AFC. So, sure, he's roughly a top 10 CB. Saying he's #2 in the league is just plain wrong. He's not even #2 in the AFC, even after a career year for him.

This is priceless. Totally worth it.