Kansas St -4 vs Butler ...early thoughts?!

[uanl]

the line opened at kansas st -4...what are your thoughts?

[KingKolzig]

where are you getting this line from? url?

[uanl]

just check the sbrodds section... they are coming out as we speak..the line for kentucky and wv is out too..

[2daBank]

just waiting for 5dimes or greek to open it so i can ride the k-st train one more time (at least)

[uanl]

im with ya on this one 2dabank!

[KingKolzig]

just waiting for 5Dimes or greek to open it so i can ride the k-st train one more time (at least)

they might be gassed bank. butler looked pretty good on defense, and if clemente-pullen dont have the legs for deep 3's butler could win this thing

[uanl]

they might be gassed bank. butler looked pretty good on defense, and if clemente-pullen dont have the legs for deep 3's butler could win this thing

pullen was still hitting 3s late...i think they should be fine..butler doesnt run n gun, i think k state has the advantage inside as well..

[KingKolzig]

pullen and clemente are really a nasty combo, tough to make a play against even after a 2 o.t. barn burner

[2daBank]

butler isnt wearing anyone down....plus hell they kids they be ok and there size advantage down low will be to much for butler....dont get it twisted cuse was long but not strong and never take advantage of there size like k-st does.....cuse zone was ripe for them getting beat by a team that could exploit it k-st not giving open looks to these shoooters, that ball movement was pretty but not gonna be as easy to just swing the ball all over against this D...that the way i feel about it anyway

[uanl]

i really like their coach..k state is mentally tough, they know kansas (which seemed to be the only team they couldnt beat) is out of the way..k state has their eyes on the prize!

[uanl]

butler isnt wearing anyone down....plus hell they kids they be ok and there size advantage down low will be to much for butler....dont get it twisted cuse was long but not strong and never take advantage of there size like k-st does.....cuse zone was ripe for them getting beat by a team that could exploit it k-st not giving open looks to these shoooters, that ball movement was pretty but not gonna be as easy to just swing the ball all over against this D...that the way i feel about it anyway

im with ya on this...even xavier was having to take 35 footers with the D that kstate was playing, more often than not those 30-35 footers wont go in tho lol xavier was just on fire

[theplagy]

im with ya on this...even xavier was having to take 35 footers with the D that kstate was playing, more often than not those 30-35 footers wont go in tho lol xavier was just on fire

it was ridiculous watching Xavier hanging on. KSU hold for about 28-30 secs and then Xavier shot 3 and BOOM....basket.

they went like 7/11 to end the game or something like that. otherwise KSU -5 would have been money

[princesspolamalu]

Butler has proven to be a strong squad this tourney but IMHO KState is the better overall more talented team. I think they find a way to pull this out. Butler finally goes down and I believe KState will cover....with no Jayhawks in the way State finds a way to get it done.

[DukeJohn]

I have Kansas St winning this match up by 9pts, so I will be on Kansas St -4.5

[uanl]

the line is at -4 and some books have it at -3.5 ..any thoughts as to why its moving down and not up??

[Rbyrne]

Butler gets blown out....doesnt it always end that way for teams like butler

[2daBank]

the line is at -4 and some books have it at -3.5 ..any thoughts as to why its moving down and not up??

early betting is pretty split and few ppl with deep pockets must really like Butler, best explanation i can give you...honestly if they been riding Butler why would they get off? same way i feel about k-st

[uanl]

Butler gets blown out....doesnt it always end that way for teams like butler

i dont know if we can consider butler one of those lucky mid major teams anymore...they have become a xavier type of team... im still with you, i think theres a better chance of k state blowing them out than there is of butler winning....

my book last night took forever to put up the line for this game and i fell asleep, so i figure i wake up today and hopefully im lucky enough to catch it at 5 ..instead it went back to 4 in most books and is at 3.5 in a few...

[2daBank]

Butler gets blown out....doesnt it always end that way for teams like butler

doubt it ends this way...it would be nice but honestly would be surprised if this wasnt a battle....Butler has proven they can play with anyone dont sell them short, im certainly not taking k-st because i look down at butler, more so because i really like k-st

[uanl]

early betting is pretty split and few ppl with deep pockets must really like Butler, best explanation i can give you...honestly if they been riding Butler why would they get off? same way i feel about k-st

good point, i'm not getting off of k state either...and dont worry 2dabank, i wont show up tomorrow night saying i changed my mind and decided to go butler

[adlai]

butler isnt wearing anyone down....plus hell they kids they be ok and there size advantage down low will be to much for butler....dont get it twisted cuse was long but not strong and never take advantage of there size like k-st does.....cuse zone was ripe for them getting beat by a team that could exploit it k-st not giving open looks to these shoooters, that ball movement was pretty but not gonna be as easy to just swing the ball all over against this D...that the way i feel about it anyway

isn't wearing anyone down? that's an interesting comment given they have had a tendency to kill their opponents in the 2nd half all season long. when you force a defense to give their all on every 35 second shot clock, that wears you down. not to mention, they move the ball better than most in the tournament.
i just don't agree with your thoughts. interesting note, Butler has beaten xavier and ohio state this season.
it's going to be a Butler Bulldog victory tomorrow.

[ninja33]

i think k state's athleticism wins it for them. Spread is pretty accurate though, but I think K State turns a close game into a 7 or 8 point win.

anyone else notice the total has dropped 8 points??

[coloradobuff]

ksu here..

[uanl]

i think k state's athleticism wins it for them. Spread is pretty accurate though, but I think K State turns a close game into a 7 or 8 point win.

anyone else notice the total has dropped 8 points??

i havent noticed the drop in the total, i usually dont bet totals...the only total im playin is michigan st and iowas under...

[2daBank]

isn't wearing anyone down? that's an interesting comment given they have had a tendency to kill their opponents in the 2nd half all season long. when you force a defense to give their all on every 35 second shot clock, that wears you down. not to mention, they move the ball better than most in the tournament.
i just don't agree with your thoughts. interesting note, Butler has beaten xavier and ohio state this season.
it's going to be a Butler Bulldog victory tomorrow.

Butler isnt gonna wear k-st down they are deep and have been playing tenacious D for 40 minutes all year, im pretty sure they will be ok.....they beat Ohio st w/o Turner but im not here trying to discredit Butler like some ppl...i have the utmost respect for there coach and team in this case though they are out maned, ohio st even with Turner are not a deep group w/o him they were paper thin....k-st has so many big boys they can throw at you down low and if anyone in this tourney is as mentally tough as Butler it is k-st....where exactly do you see mismatches for butler? guards? no damn way, down low? please, only thing i can see Butler backers hanging there hat on is the altitude and the double ot.....

[ninja33]

i havent noticed the drop in the total, i usually dont bet totals...the only total im playin is michigan st and iowas under...

I'm not a huge fan of them either, but I think they're kind of fun to analyze. If I play them, it's usually with small stakes. Hit the Butler under last night, I still might play this kstate/butler game under too. wish i had seen it last night.

like the mich st under as well.

[adlai]

Butler isnt gonna wear k-st down they are deep and have been playing tenacious D for 40 minutes all year, im pretty sure they will be ok.....they beat Ohio st w/o Turner but im not here trying to discredit Butler like some ppl...i have the utmost respect for there coach and team in this case though they are out maned, ohio st even with Turner are not a deep group w/o him they were paper thin....k-st has so many big boys they can throw at you down low and if anyone in this tourney is as mentally tough as Butler it is k-st....where exactly do you see mismatches for butler? guards? no damn way, down low? please, only thing i can see Butler backers hanging there hat on is the altitude and the double ot.....

I just had to bump this... GO BUTLER! Looks like I had it right 2daBank... lmao...