Big East Irony

HoulihansTX · 03-22-10, 05:18 PM

The way WV looks on offense I doubt it. They are going to have to slow down Washington's pace, or they could lose, by simply not being able to keep up scoring wise.

New Mex tried to run & gun with Washington, and got shown the door. I really dont understand what Steve Alford was trying to do with that strategy. WV is just so inept when it comes to scoring in their first shoot, they need a lot of 2nd chance points to score many points.

onthewhat · 03-22-10, 05:39 PM

Why is everyone overlooking Kentucky?

hhsilver · 03-22-10, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by onthewhat

Why is everyone overlooking Kentucky?

Because they know you will give them more hometown coverage than anyone cares to read.

Chi_archie · 03-22-10, 06:00 PM

I look forward to just about any championship matchup now

pavyracer · 03-22-10, 06:07 PM

Final will be West Virginia - Ohio St

HoulihansTX · 03-22-10, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Final will be West Virginia - Ohio St

You are crazy/insane/delirious/not serious

Chi_archie · 03-22-10, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

You are crazy/insane/delirious/not serious

not sure how anyone can say that about someone's predictions in a sport/tourney which no one seems to be able to get a handle on 90% of the time...

who predicted UNI to upset Kansas?

how say Cornell, UNI, Xavier (3rd straight year), Washington ect to be in the sweet 16.

OSU, WVU would be a solid matchup...

LT Profits · 03-22-10, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

The way WV looks on offense I doubt it. They are going to have to slow down Washington's pace, or they could lose, by simply not being able to keep up scoring wise.

New Mex tried to run & gun with Washington, and got shown the door. I really dont understand what Steve Alford was trying to do with that strategy. WV is just so inept when it comes to scoring in their first shoot, they need a lot of 2nd chance points to score many points.

That is EXACTLY what I expect them to do, play at their own deliberate pace to frustrate both Washington and Kentucky. Also, Mountaineers may be best rebounding team remaining in the tourney, so yes, I expect a lot of second chance points, That is nothing new, they have been doing that all year.

HoulihansTX · 03-22-10, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

not sure how anyone can say that about someone's predictions in a sport/tourney which no one seems to be able to get a handle on 90% of the time... who predicted UNI to upset Kansas? how say Cornell, UNI, Xavier (3rd straight year), Washington ect to be in the sweet 16. OSU, WVU would be a solid matchup...

If people were to pick the winners round by round, and not have to fill-out complete brackets B4 tourny starts. The percentages would be very different.

He has seen both play, and is making his decision right now. Not B4 tourny, which I guess his prediction would have been different.

capri5421 · 03-22-10, 06:24 PM

Syracuse will beat Butler by DD, West Virginia will beat Washington by DD. When I hear people say the Big East is overrated, it's sad because the people saying it are wagering there hard earned money. In my opinion they know nothing about the big east or college basketball. For starter's the person who started this thread wagerd his hard earned money on Pittsburgh saturday. You tell me.

jjgold · 03-22-10, 06:25 PM

Would shut us all up if they met in finals

I doubt it though.

LT Profits · 03-22-10, 06:29 PM

Courtesy of Pomeroy:

7 West Virginia (29-6)

Scouting Report
Stats include games through Sunday, March 21
against D-I teams only
Category Offense Defense D-I Avg
Adj. Efficiency: 117.4 [12] 89.4 [22] 100.8
Adj. Tempo: 63.3 [314] 67.3

Four Factors
Effective FG%: 49.1 [153] 46.8 [82] 48.9
Turnover %: 18.1 [56] 20.6 [160] 20.4
Off. Reb. %: 41.8 [2] 31.0 [94] 32.7

They are second in the country in offensive rebounding percentage, which helps make them 12th in offensive PPP despite being a mediocre shooting team.

LT Profits · 03-22-10, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by capri5421

Syracuse will beat Butler by DD, West Virginia will beat Washington by DD. When I hear people say the Big East is overrated, it's sad because the people saying it are wagering there hard earned money. In my opinion they know nothing about the big east or college basketball. For starter's the person who started this thread wagerd his hard earned money on Pittsburgh saturday. You tell me.

Big East is definitely overrated, the only two teams worth a damn are the ones still standing.

And I bet you my CBB record this year is much better than yours.

capri5421 · 03-22-10, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Big East is definitely overrated, the only two teams worth a damn are the ones still standing.

And I bet you my CBB record this year is much better than yours.

You are like the best in here, Good luck.

LT Profits · 03-22-10, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Would shut us all up if they met in finals

I doubt it though.

It really wouldn't change much if Cuse and West Va met in finals, it would only validate what I have been saying all along: that the Big East has one great team (Syracuse) and one other team can do damage in the tourney with the right matchups (West Va) and around 10 good but not great teams that take turns beating each other. I first posted that about two months ago, so I am obviously not surprised by what has transpired in the tourney so far. It's not like I am calling the Big East overrated AFTER the fact.

HoulihansTX · 03-22-10, 06:42 PM

They get so many rebounds, b/c they brick so many shots. HAHA

But really they have tremendous length/size at 4 of 5 positions at all times. The start a PG, and the rest are PF, or SF.

Washington, will have to push the pace in order to keep WV from being able to set up their defense.

Washington's shotty defense probably wont be a factor, since WV's offense is avg at best. I think it will go down to the wire.

I thought Mizzou had no chance against WV, b/c they lacked size. Nevertheless they had a great gameplan, and keep the pace fast in order to try and get easy buckets. Also they pressured WV in the full court, Mizzou's MO, exposing WV lackluster guard play.

Fast pace game = Advantage Washington

Grinding pace = Advantage WV

SargeantHooker · 03-22-10, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by hhsilver

Because they know you will give them more hometown coverage than anyone cares to read.

classic!!!! On a serious note, I don't see why people keep questioning this conference. Did anyone see the way WVU shot free throws on Sunday? The one glaring flaw on this squad and they were outstanding. I don't see this team losing this weekend, but as a disclamer I have had WVU +2000 to win it all with my local since November & I have definately been wrong before. Best of luck to all this weekend.

LT Profits · 03-22-10, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

They get so many rebounds, b/c they brick so many shots. HAHA

LOL.

That is only partly true however. It would be entirely true if I was talking about total gross offensive rebounds, but I am talking about an offensive rebounding PERCENTAGE of over 40%, meaning they get their own rebounds on over 40% of their missed shots. That is a relative number that is not contingent of being a good or bad shooting team.

SargeantHooker · 03-22-10, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

They get so many rebounds, b/c they brick so many shots. HAHA

But really they have tremendous length/size at 4 of 5 positions at all times. The start a PG, and the rest are PF, or SF.

Washington, will have to push the pace in order to keep WV from being able to set up theirdefens.

Washington's shotty defenseprobably wont be a factor, since WV's offense is avg. at best. I think it will go down to the wire.

I thought Mizzou had no chance.
against WV, b/c they lacked
size. Nevertheless they had a
great gameplan, and keep the
pace fast in order to try and get
easy buckets. Also they
pressured WV in the full court,
Mizzou's MO, exposing WV
lackluster guard play.
Fast pace game = Advantage Washington
Grinding pace = Advantage WV

Great analysis Houls. While Washington is coming into their own, they are very streaky (much like West Virginia.) the length & athelticism of WVU is what will prevail here IMHO. I have been a follower of Washington & Cal all year because everyone blows off the PAC-10 & am impressed with the late season push, but just feel wvu is too much. I won't be playing it, because I have now idea if they can cover the number. Just think think they advance

capri5421 · 03-22-10, 07:06 PM

How many Big East players from 2009 are playin Pro Basketball this year, shouldn't this basketball season be a rebuilding yr. in the Big East. Eight Big East team's were sent to this year's Tourny. RELOAD. OVERRATED I DON'T THINK SO.

Also wait till next season, Rick Pitino will be in Queens, NY. Coaching.

LT Profits · 03-22-10, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by capri5421

How many Big East players from 2009 are playin Pro Basketball this year, shouldn't this basketball season be a rebuilding yr. in the Big East. Eight Big East team's were sent to this year's Tourny. RELOAD. OVERRATED I DON'T THINK SO.

Also wait till next season, Rick Pitino will be in Queens, NY. Coaching.

Yes, but look at how the six mid-level teams did. You make a great point that the league was rebuilding after an extraordinary year in 2009, but yet the league was PERCEIVED to be as good this year as last year, especially by getting eight teams in, and that is where the overrated comes in.

capri5421 · 03-22-10, 07:20 PM

" but yet the league was perceived to be as good this year as last year" great point, I don't believe they will ever have A year as last year.

jayroy25 · 03-22-10, 07:21 PM

Syracuse will win and will get to the final easily

HoulihansTX · 03-22-10, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by capri5421

" but yet the league was perceived to be as good this year as last year" great point, I don't believe they will ever have A year as last year.

Not until UConn picks it back up.

Conferences are never very strong unless their perennial powers are still the best in their own league.

See UNC(CBB), and USC (CFB)

Yi · 03-22-10, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Final will be West Virginia - Ohio St

Thats what I have too

TheAccountant · 03-22-10, 08:28 PM

I think the BE is still a good conference, but the only way you could make a valid conference for them as a premier conference is with Cuse and WVU both making a serious run towards winning the whole thing. Most BE teams have come up absolutely dismal, and the excuse about beating up on each other all season seems overused. I'm sick of hearing about these great teams beating up on each other.

WVU has potential to go all the way - I think they are nearly as athletic, if not as athletic, as Kentucky. You just don't know which WVU team is going to show up - the crazy athletic, hard nosed, rebounding squad or the out of control, looks like they have never heard of an offensive set WVU.

It will certainly be interesting.

3PtShooter · 03-22-10, 09:10 PM

ESPN hype has over rated the big east,,but they have good teams that could win it all

Mac4Lyfe · 03-22-10, 09:21 PM

Big Least... 3 titles in last 24 years while ACC has 7, SEC has 5. Big10 has the same amount as the Little East.

They get dam near 1/4 of the entire field in the dance but don't do shit once they get there. I don't expect them to cut down the nets this year either. Over Rated...

TPowell · 03-22-10, 10:32 PM

LT you can't fault teams like UL and G-Town who ran into guys shooting the ball at an unreal rate from outside. If Kansas or UK played Ohio that night, they would have been beat as well. Reynolds played much better during the BE year as well for Nova.

Chi_archie · 03-22-10, 11:20 PM

just like Memphis was over-rated hugely all of last year by LT. when it counted they both (big east 10, memphis) sucked...

but if they get 2 teams in the final 4 I think you can make the case that they still had an impressive season

hhsilver · 03-23-10, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

........
They get dam near 1/4 of the entire field in the dance but don't do shit once they get there. ...

8 is nearly 1/4 of 64 ? ????

Bigcheez · 03-23-10, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by capri5421

Syracuse will beat Butler by DD, West Virginia will beat Washington by DD. When I hear people say the Big East is overrated, it's sad because the people saying it are wagering there hard earned money. In my opinion they know nothing about the big east or college basketball. For starter's the person who started this thread wagerd his hard earned money on Pittsburgh saturday. You tell me.

I hope they both win by DD.

RJ89 · 03-23-10, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by TPowell

LT you can't fault teams like UL and G-Town who ran into guys shooting the ball at an unreal rate from outside. If Kansas or UK played Ohio that night, they would have been beat as well. Reynolds played much better during the BE year as well for Nova.

Yeah, but part of why G-town lost is they got way outrebounded by Ohio and Kansas and UK are much better rebounding teams. But it is hard to beat anyone when they make 14 3's in one game, and it was annoying that no one on TV even mentioned that.

I think the Big East was at least a little overrated in that many people said that it was the best conference, when I think it's pretty clear that over the course of the year the Big 12 was the best. I would say the Big East, Big Ten, and ACC all had a decent claim for 2nd.

iceminers26 · 03-23-10, 01:04 AM

kansas state vs baylor

its going to be a good championship game