You can be a Gambler, you can be a cheerleader, but you cant be both ...

[SportsPedagogy]

Iv seen alot of people citing their reasons why the Heat will win, and why the Bulls will win. Nobody predicted the Bulls to win by 21, and nobody seems to be making adjustments to their mentality. I get that its a best of 7 series, but moving forward, the Heat bench is getting any better, Wade and Lebrons legs arent getting any fresher and Spolstra isnt going to be out coaching Thibs any time soon.

The thing that worries me the most for these Heat, is that alot of their points in the game from stupid plays by the Bulls. Bad inbounds passes and bad passes in general lead to fastbreak scores or 2 on 1s, especially in the first half. Meanwhile, Chicago set up their offense and executed. Now the Heat are stuck between a rock and a hard place. ... do they keep overplaying their stars and risk them Fatiguing the way Wade did in the 4th each game, or do they play their bench players and get risk them getting exposed and leading to long runs for the Bulls.

Im not saying this season is over, but this is what the Bulls do, they play great Defense, they rebound their butts off and they out hustle then guys across from them. The only thing the Heat can hope the Bulls dont keep consistent at is their shooting. The Bulls shooting has been inconsistent thru out the playoffs but has been very well in games 5 and 6 vs Atlanta and now Game 1 vs Miami. If the Heat can get the Bulls to lose faith in their new found offense, then they have a chance.

My point is, for everybody who is backing Miami with the same confidence they were before game 1, you need to really thing about wither you wanna be a gambler or just a cheerleader, cause mixing the two is not a good combination.

[politicin]

Couldn't agree more. I think it's time reality sinks in. Heat aren't beating the Bulls running a load of isos. The Bulls will continue to make them look stupid with elite playmaking and top notch D. If you're not saying the season is over, I will. The season is over. You see the 08 series against the Celtics? What makes you think a team that gave the championship Celtics in 08 a 7 game sweat and produced one of the greatest series of all time is going to lose to the Heat this year? The Bulls are 3 years better than they were in 08 and are peaking as a team. The Heat beating the Celtics of 2011 with the injuries and trade of Perkins really gave you that confidence? Seems pretty naive to me. The Bulls are far and away the better team this year and are in their prime with a new coach, a highly evolved 1 guard and the addition of Boozer. Anybody thinking otherwise is just that, a CHEERLEADER.

[Thunderman]

Solid post. That was probably the best defensive performance I can recall seeing in the NBA. LB and DW couldn't get any room, great rotations by the Bulls.

[JOHON8]

This forum is full of squares taking a team based on emotional reasons.

If you know basketball you know the Bulls dominate the Heat on the court, they are fukking 4-0 against them right now and these squares still don't get it even when theres a ton of smart guys on here warning them. This is why SBR is so dull, no one really cares about making money it's a place where they come to figure out what team to back emotionally then sit back and cheer for them.

[Bradyd]

I guess almost everybody in here are cheerleaders. Because 3 out of the 4 above post (including the op) have nothing to do with gambling, just cheering on the Bulls... But then again, I do remember see similar post after game 1's when Atl beat Chicago, Memphis beating OKC, and the Hornets beating the Lakers...

[SportsPedagogy]

I guess almost everybody in here are cheerleaders. Because 3 out of the 4 above post (including the op) have nothing to do with gambling, just cheering on the Bulls... But then again, I do remember see similar post after game 1's when Atl beat Chicago, Memphis beating OKC, and the Hornets beating the Lakers...

those are 3 scenarios ... what about the Grizz beating the Spurs ... Mavs beating Lakers ? Atlanta beating Orlando ?

All 6 of those scenarios are irrelevant however. Were talking about X's and O's, were talking about strengths and weakness and matchups. The Bulls match up very well against the heat. Wade, James and Bosh are good enough to pull out some wins, but i dont see how they can sustain the level of play required to win this series. The Bulls can never get tired cause there is always a fresh body ready to come in and play at a high level. I wont go as far as the others to say this series is over, but the Bulls are the realistic Fav to win. The Heat were -200 because the public thinks they are destined to win it.

[Bradyd]

those are 3 scenarios ... what about the Grizz beating the Spurs ... Mavs beating Lakers ? Atlanta beating Orlando ?

All 6 of those scenarios are irrelevant however. Were talking about X's and O's, were talking about strengths and weakness and matchups. The Bulls match up very well against the heat. Wade, James and Bosh are good enough to pull out some wins, but i dont see how they can sustain the level of play required to win this series. The Bulls can never get tired cause there is always a fresh body ready to come in and play at a high level. I wont go as far as the others to say this series is over, but the Bulls are the realistic Fav to win. The Heat were -200 because the public thinks they are destined to win it.

You just proved my point. Everyone automatically thinks that whoever wins the first game wins the series because its happens frequently, as in the games you just mentioned. That's all people see sometimes, and I wanted to show examples that it's not always the case.

The series price is one thing, but as for individuals games (which most gamblers gamble on) this thread offers nothing. (It only states that after 1 game, the Bulls will probably win the series.. See previous paragraph) Are you telling people to blindly bet on the Bulls? If so, than what gambler makes such direct conclusions without seeing lines first? If not, than what's the point of saying how the Heat can't "sustain that level of play" required to win?

This thread only states in general "why the bulls will probably win". There are no mention of lines, who will cover the spread and why, analysis for game 2, or anything..

[SportsPedagogy]

My thread wasnt about the spreads or game 2. My thread is pretty much the title ... It was just pointing out that the Bulls exploited all the mismatches that they have. Won just about every aspect of the game, yet Heat backers didnt even flinch. I could see if the Heat were able to execute their offense and then lost a close game. If you wan game 2, Heat lead at half, bulls tie in 3rd, pull away in 4th.. win by about 7

[politicin]

I would still like somebody to answer my post. How in the hell can you justify taking an incomplete Heat team against the Bulls. You saw the Bulls take the 08 champion Celtics to hell and back again in that 7 game series. The Bulls are now 3 years better and close to their peak as a team. They now have an EXCELLENT coach who was the defensive mastermind behind the Celtic's championship season. They now have an extremely almost beyond belief evolution of a point guard and an excellent addition in Boozer. What, other than being starstruck little girls, lead any of you to take the Heat here? A win against a beat up Celtics team with a one armed point guard? Anybody that knows 2nd grade math can add this one up. The Heat have no size, no depth, and an average point guard. Simple mathematics to me.

[Dexter]

I would still like somebody to answer my post. How in the hell can you justify taking an incomplete Heat team against the Bulls. You saw the Bulls take the 08 champion Celtics to hell and back again in that 7 game series. The Bulls are now 3 years better and close to their peak as a team. They now have an EXCELLENT coach who was the defensive mastermind behind the Celtic's championship season. They now have an extremely almost beyond belief evolution of a point guard and an excellent addition in Boozer. What, other than being starstruck little girls, lead any of you to take the Heat here? A win against a beat up Celtics team with a one armed point guard? Anybody that knows 2nd grade math can add this one up. The Heat have no size, no depth, and an average point guard. Simple mathematics to me.

sploresta is a genius!!

[jashtonrich]

well since the lakers are out i'm cheering for the bulls i think that's the only way i can feel ok about La not being in the finals for the fourth straight yr

[$Burm$]

I would still like somebody to answer my post. How in the hell can you justify taking an incomplete Heat team against the Bulls. You saw the Bulls take the 08 champion Celtics to hell and back again in that 7 game series. The Bulls are now 3 years better and close to their peak as a team. They now have an EXCELLENT coach who was the defensive mastermind behind the Celtic's championship season. They now have an extremely almost beyond belief evolution of a point guard and an excellent addition in Boozer. What, other than being starstruck little girls, lead any of you to take the Heat here? A win against a beat up Celtics team with a one armed point guard? Anybody that knows 2nd grade math can add this one up. The Heat have no size, no depth, and an average point guard. Simple mathematics to me.

I'm still waiting for you to accept my challenge. I'm really curious as to how good you are, because you talk yourself up like you are a god of gambling. Maybe you are, but the only way we'll find out is if you do a challenge because you dont seem to post any plays!

[politicin]

I would never invest my time in a long term challenge with you. I bet money. If you want to bet 450 points on one wager involving this series I'm all for it. I wouldn't waste any time locking in plays for points on a daily basis . Looks like you actually dodged my challenge in order to come with your own ridiculous challenge because you don't have the balls to drop 450 on one wager. Dodgy much? Refute one point I made in regards to the series, or continue to piggy back me around the forum.

As far as my plays go I'm something like 70 percent over the course of plays I've posted on this forum. Go look for them, I will not link you.

Bye.

[$Burm$]

You act like I don't bet for real money either. THe challenge is just for fun. You attack so many people on this site and yet don't bring anything to the forum. I'll be done with you and act like i'm some big "hot shot" as well.


Bye.

[politicin]

cool story bro

go look me up and my record guy

this forum is for discussion purposes

if you think there's actually anything to be learned from 90 percent of these bozos you're even more clueless than i previously assumed

no sharp is on miami at -190

hilarious how you continue to dodge my offer @ 450 points on this series... dodgy dodgy dodgy

[$Burm$]

cool story bro

go look me up and my record guy

this forum is for discussion purposes

if you think there's actually anything to be learned from 90 percent of these bozos you're even more clueless than i previously assumed

no sharp is on miami at -190

hilarious how you continue to dodge my offer @ 450 points on this series... dodgy dodgy dodgy

once again, i'm not on the Miami series bet because I realize there's no value on it. Although I still think the Heat can win the series. I DID NOT BET THE HEAT, and I bet the Bulls in the first game and won, so you can keep acting like your the shit and saying that I did when I didn't..it's all cool

[$Burm$]

BTW buddy, have you figured out how how a playoff structure works yet, I'm surprised a sharp like yourself doesn't know that yet

[politicin]

Yep you bet the Bulls. Post a real money screen shot?

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/1037034-politicin-playoffs.html

hmm something like 17-7 on the toughest playoff opening in years

http://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/929227-politicin-w-real-hip-hop-real-picks.html

hmmm something like 12-6

http://forum.sbrforum.com/baseball-handicapping/1060029-fade-everything-obamaismyuncle-plays-thread.html

hmmmm 6-0?

the fact of the matter is i don't waste my time posting plays on this forum because i gain nothing from it other than unwarranted discussion with a bunch of mules who couldn't cap a bottle of soda

as far as the playoff structure... do you know how a game of basketball works? the fact you even entertained the idea of miami winning the next 4 out of 5 games is absurdity

they have no center, no bench, no coach... get a clue guy... keep dodging my bet...

this will be the last post i make in your direction, keep piggy backing me around the forum sweetie... PM me when you want to wager actual cash

[$Burm$]

I don't have any screenshots for you. I bet with a bookie. And I'm not going to risk a real cash wager with someone on this site. I would not trust one person to hold money on this site for a wager. Why must I be showing screenshots and yet everyone must just believe what you post? I'm not saying I don't believe that you bet those games, I do. But your just an all around asshole. The fact that you just called me sweetie is making me wonder your sexuality....

[$Burm$]

btw wat happened to you? you seemed like an actual good positive person in those threads, not your just an asshole

[LordVodka]

The Heat was just crap in game 1. How many second chance points did the Bulls get? How many 3 pointers did the Bulls get. I don't know who wins next game but I really think it'll be closer than game 1.

[Thehusker]

I am pretty sure Vegas loves the fact the largest gambling City in the USA thinks a series is over after one game hence the -190 series Mia to -115 bulls in one game. Hedge your bets all you want chicago in the NBA finals is a lose for the NBA around the world. Lebron and evil empire strike back in game 2 and watch lbj23 become the official darth vader of the league...Miami no question wins this series ala Tim donaghy rules

[Bradyd]

My thread wasnt about the spreads or game 2. My thread is pretty much the title ... It was just pointing out that the Bulls exploited all the mismatches that they have. Won just about every aspect of the game, yet Heat backers didnt even flinch. I could see if the Heat were able to execute their offense and then lost a close game. If you wan game 2, Heat lead at half, bulls tie in 3rd, pull away in 4th.. win by about 7

I read the title and the posts contradict it. The only thing this one-sided thread does it bash anybody who wagers on Miami, paints a beautiful picture of how flawless the Bulls were in Game 1, and provides a belief that you are only a gambler if they agree with your pick on the Bulls... The only difference between this thread and others is that the title most people pick is "<insert username> Playoff Thread"...

[politicin]

right... or they just go with "Anybody who thinks the Heat will lose the series v the bulls should stop gambling."

[Bradyd]

I would still like somebody to answer my post. How in the hell can you justify taking an incomplete Heat team against the Bulls. You saw the Bulls take the 08 champion Celtics to hell and back again in that 7 game series. The Bulls are now 3 years better and close to their peak as a team. They now have an EXCELLENT coach who was the defensive mastermind behind the Celtic's championship season. They now have an extremely almost beyond belief evolution of a point guard and an excellent addition in Boozer. What, other than being starstruck little girls, lead any of you to take the Heat here? A win against a beat up Celtics team with a one armed point guard? Anybody that knows 2nd grade math can add this one up. The Heat have no size, no depth, and an average point guard. Simple mathematics to me.

I know you are not bragging about a different Bulls team taking a Boston team without it second best player to 7 games??? And then turn around and bash the Heat for beating a Celtics team with an "one-armed pg"?? Are you serious??

[suicidekings]

You just proved my point. Everyone automatically thinks that whoever wins the first game wins the series because its happens frequently, as in the games you just mentioned. That's all people see sometimes, and I wanted to show examples that it's not always the case.

The series price is one thing, but as for individuals games (which most gamblers gamble on) this thread offers nothing. (It only states that after 1 game, the Bulls will probably win the series.. See previous paragraph) Are you telling people to blindly bet on the Bulls? If so, than what gambler makes such direct conclusions without seeing lines first? If not, than what's the point of saying how the Heat can't "sustain that level of play" required to win?

This thread only states in general "why the bulls will probably win". There are no mention of lines, who will cover the spread and why, analysis for game 2, or anything..

Re: Game 2

Even the most confident Heat supporter should be a bit concerned with how Game 1 played out. The Heat made a lot of mistakes in how they went about the game and most of that is correctable for Game 2 and beyond (How they defend Rose, defensive pairings, etc). But, outside of those strategic errors, there are matchup issues (specifically between the CHI/MIA bigs, and depth of the respective benches) that will likely be ongoing problems for the entire series.

If this game had ended in a tight finish I wouldn't think it was a big issue, but the Heat got dominated, and even knowing well in advance that they would likely be facing the Bulls for the ECF, there didn't really seem to be much of a gameplan set to neutralize the strengths of the Bulls. I kind of doubt that they'll discover the magic formula by Wednesday when their first offering in Game 1 was so unsuccessful and had a long time to prepare for it.

Obviously when the series moves to Miami it's a different discussion with different spreads, etc, but if there isn't a substantial improvement in Miami's approach in Game 2, then it would be really hard to take Miami to cover the -5 that they'll probably be in Game 3. Personally, I don't think the Heat are capable of adapting their strategy enough for them to win Game 2. I think they'll play a lot better, but if they fall behind by a lot again, they'll rest Lebron/Wade and put their energy into winning Game 3. I can foresee the Bulls 2H being a very high value play in Game 2 for anyone that wants to wait and see on how the game starts, but CHI -1.5 seems like a very strong play again for Game 2.

[politicin]

I know you are not bragging about a different Bulls team taking a Boston team without it second best player to 7 games??? And then turn around and bash the Heat for beating a Celtics team with an "one-armed pg"?? Are you serious??

And this is why I can't take ANY of you guys seriously. The importance of Rondo to this series against Miami isn't even comparable. Rondo is their most important player against an average PG over in Miami. Seriously the fact I have to tell you that is absurd.

[chantrain]

the Heat are just a crap team, anybody who knows basketball and isn't a blind homer can see that. They rely entirely on the play of their 3 stars, but meanwhile their bench sucks horribly and their coach is a doofus.

[Tallcash21]

Anyone wanna comment on what Ive said leading up to the game.....And no I dont think the series is automatically over because of game one. I however did pick the Bulls in 5 games because of what you seen last night. Great team D and rebounding vs NO DEPTH. I dont care what you say Wade and Lebron were tired last night. Bulls were all over the floor and on the floor at all times. Bulls were challenging shots above the rim from all positions like they havent played before...esp against the Cs. Bulls were dunking on top of them from and on any position...like they havent played before esp against the Cs. Heat are a year or two away because of the pieces they have around the big 3. And in all actuality in my opinion its gonna be hard for that Heat team because the big 3 are all so similar. When Boston formed their "big 3" it was good cuz you had Paul who can get his shot and drive at any time...you got a spot up shooter to spread the D and you got a DEFENSIVE and versitile presence in the paint. None of the Heat big 3 can shoot like that....period. Bosh is not a presence hes just a solid player. And Wade and Lebron are extremely similar in their games and how to guard them. Put em both on the same floor and the Bulls can make that floor small and hard to score on for anyone. Good luck

[SportsPedagogy]

I read the title and the posts contradict it. The only thing this one-sided thread does it bash anybody who wagers on Miami, paints a beautiful picture of how flawless the Bulls were in Game 1, and provides a belief that you are only a gambler if they agree with your pick on the Bulls... The only difference between this thread and others is that the title most people pick is "<insert username> Playoff Thread"...

You seem to be getting all worked up over this, its hard to tell cause you cant tell somebodys tone thru text. Ill try an elaborate once more.

Im not saying this series is over. Its not over till its over. There are people guaranteeing each team will win and claiming if you font bet the same side as them, then you are a square who shoudnt gamble. This is coming from Heat and Bull fans alike. My comment is that, if you are still screaming that the Heat are guaranteed to win this, you are just a cheerleader. They matched up horribly vs the Bulls yesterday, the only thing you can go on right now about the Heat winning the series is a "Gut Feeling". If somebody wants to break down this game and point out some advantages the Heat have that can carry them thru this series, i would love to read it. MAybe i am missing something, till then, i think its the Bulls series to lose. But nothing is guaranteed.

[Bradyd]

Re: Game 2

Even the most confident Heat supporter should be a bit concerned with how Game 1 played out. The Heat made a lot of mistakes in how they went about the game and most of that is correctable for Game 2 and beyond (How they defend Rose, defensive pairings, etc). But, outside of those strategic errors, there are matchup issues (specifically between the CHI/MIA bigs, and depth of the respective benches) that will likely be ongoing problems for the entire series.

If this game had ended in a tight finish I wouldn't think it was a big issue, but the Heat got dominated, and even knowing well in advance that they would likely be facing the Bulls for the ECF, there didn't really seem to be much of a gameplan set to neutralize the strengths of the Bulls. I kind of doubt that they'll discover the magic formula by Wednesday when their first offering in Game 1 was so unsuccessful and had a long time to prepare for it.

Obviously when the series moves to Miami it's a different discussion with different spreads, etc, but if there isn't a substantial improvement in Miami's approach in Game 2, then it would be really hard to take Miami to cover the -5 that they'll probably be in Game 3. Personally, I don't think the Heat are capable of adapting their strategy enough for them to win Game 2. I think they'll play a lot better, but if they fall behind by a lot again, they'll rest Lebron/Wade and put their energy into winning Game 3. I can foresee the Bulls 2H being a very high value play in Game 2 for anyone that wants to wait and see on how the game starts, but CHI -1.5 seems like a very strong play again for Game 2.

Ok now this turns into gambling. I do disagree on somethings but def some valuable information in regards to wagering. I might have to take a look at Chicago 2nd half. I think the fact that Miami lost by 20 raised some eyebrows. To me it look like Miami didn't care enough to fight back, not because they couldn't. Chicago was ready, they were not. I def expect a closer game, but I may lay off this game also..

[Bradyd]

And this is why I can't take ANY of you guys seriously. The importance of Rondo to this serious against Miami isn't even comparable. Rondo is their most important player against an average PG over in Miami. Seriously the fact I have to tell you that is absurd.

And this is why many people can't take you seriously.

1. You promote the fact that a different Bulls team took the Kg-less Celtics to 7 but turn around and mock Miami for beating the injured-Rondo Celtics in 5. You can't even see how contradictory those statements are!!!

2. The fact that you believe rondo hurting this year and losing KG in 2009 are not comparable is very absurd..

[Bradyd]

You seem to be getting all worked up over this, its hard to tell cause you cant tell somebodys tone thru text. Ill try an elaborate once more.

Im not saying this series is over. Its not over till its over. There are people guaranteeing each team will win and claiming if you font bet the same side as them, then you are a square who shoudnt gamble. This is coming from Heat and Bull fans alike. My comment is that, if you are still screaming that the Heat are guaranteed to win this, you are just a cheerleader. They matched up horribly vs the Bulls yesterday, the only thing you can go on right now about the Heat winning the series is a "Gut Feeling". If somebody wants to break down this game and point out some advantages the Heat have that can carry them thru this series, i would love to read it. MAybe i am missing something, till then, i think its the Bulls series to lose. But nothing is guaranteed.

I'm not getting worked up.. I just found it very interesting that a anti- Miami thread about not mixing cheerleading & gambling, tries to mix the two with the Bulls.. How ironic...

[NBA_Brosuf]

It is ok to choke in other people's house and that's ok. You still have 2 games at your house to mark a point.

I think this game 2 here is a good deciding game. If Chicago wins game 2, favor on Chicago to take it. If heat wins game 2, Heat is still in it.

It is till too early to count our cash. It just like how someone already yelled out "ship it" when we are just in the 1st quarter. I'm still laughing at that okc/menpiss game 7 on the over. LOL

[SportsPedagogy]

I'm not getting worked up.. I just found it very interesting that a anti- Miami thread about not mixing cheerleading & gambling, tries to mix the two with the Bulls.. How ironic...

i dont think we are on the same page here. Your insinuating i am cheer leading with this thread ? Iv stated numerous reasons why the Bulls have a positive match up vs the Heat. Iv stated how this series can wear down the big 3 while the Bulls bench will always keep fresh bodies out there. This is logic, not mindless cheerleading. I get the feeling your backing Miami on this series ? We are talking the series right now, ill do the games on game day, but in the mean time, im talking about the series. So, if you do think Miami will win this series, thats fine. All i am saying is that Chicago routed Miami last night, and i was curious as to what others thought. Upon reading some Miami backing threads, all i found was a bunch of "Thats why we play best of 7" "All we have to do is win on the road" "Spolstra is a genius" "If you think Bulls will win your a square" and so on. Nothing to back up these ideas. Iv stated before, im here to bet against Vegas, not argue over which team is More Awesome. All i simply did was point out my view.