CK/wangichu's Think Tank

[sweetjones55]

I expect lackluster effort from Lakers, and Kobe ball-hogging. Denver playing with desperation is hard to bet against.

Watching this series it seems that if Denver had home court advantage throughout the series they would win the series.

The only thing that should concern Denver backers is Carmelo's health. He went from dropping 30 a game and shooting a great % to all of a sudden struggling in four straight games. He is 2 for 20 on his 3pt FG's. That is not Carmelo.

All of these LA backers are banking on Odom to come out and play well tonight. I think that the added emphasis on Odom by the Nuggets will counter effectively. Odom has struggled big time on the road in the playoffs last 5 games averaging 7 ppg. Derek Fishers game also doesn't travel well as he is averaging 3ppg in his last 4 road games.

Look for JR Smith to have a huge impact on this game. He is horrible on the road but at home he is money averaging almost 18 ppg. Suprisingly, he has also been dishing out the ball nicely lately.

[repski]

Continue to take Cleveland moneyline until the series is over. All of that good Orlando money is about to come back to the books now. However, fade them in game 1 of the finals against the Lakers if the Lakers win it tonight in 6.

After Cleveland burned our $$ in the 1st half yesterday...

they are soft....and have not been able to hold leads
I'll be grabbing the popcorn b4 Clevland gets any more of my $$...

[cocknocker]

Lakers close it out tonight on the road in Jordan era fashion. Houlihans, while you're at it you can let us know what team caused the blemish on Denvers' home 11-1 court dominance in the late season and playoffs. So in reality, Denver is only .500 against the Lakers at home and that would be straight up. Those gaudy stats about Denver at home in the playoffs don't pertain to this game or this series. F*ck all of those other teams. The Lakers have already shown in THIS series that they can win in Denver. Kobe is always at the root of f*cking off your money. We already know that he wants to close it out tonight. Denver has already gone as far as they could go.

[sweetjones55]

Lakers close it out tonight on the road in Jordan era fashion. Houlihans, while you're at it you can let us know what team caused the blemish on Denvers' home 11-1 court dominance in the late season and playoffs. So in reality, Denver is only .500 against the Lakers at home and that would be straight up. Those gaudy stats about Denver at home in the playoffs don't pertain to this game or this series. F*ck all of those other teams. The Lakers have already shown in THIS series that they can win in Denver. Kobe is always at the root of f*cking off your money. We already know that he wants to close it out tonight. Denver has already gone as far as they could go.

Chauncey, Carmelo, Kenyon, and JR Smith all shot a combined 30% in that game and the Nuggets still won 3 out of the 4 quarters and led throughtout the whole game. I would assume a blowout if you told me that those 4 players all shoot 30% collectively.

[cocknocker]

After Cleveland burned our $$ in the 1st half yesterday...

they are soft....and have not been able to hold leads
I'll be grabbing the popcorn b4 Clevland gets any more of my $$...

Look man. They weren't soft when they had the best defense this year and were one of the best cover teams in the NBA. They weren't soft when they covered every playoff game by double digits pror to this series either. So what you took a loss yesterday. Shake it off and keep on thinking with your mind instead of your emotions. Cleveland was the right call yesterday in the 1st half, they just let up off of the gas. What can you do? Shit happens. After all, you certainly weren't calling Cleveland soft when the 1st quarter was over. Cleveland isn't soft. They just have been tested that's all. Orlando keeps on coming all game long, and they never quit. But t show you that I'm sympathetic to your condition, I wil help you out a bit since your blood pressure seems a bit high.

Put down the popcorn and grab your stones and give them a squeeze. Take a shot of Everclear straight and then take Cleveland moneyline. That is all that I can prescribe for you at this time. This series is in the bag. Orlando had their chance and now it's ova!

Orlando does not shoot free throws very well. With the thought of the monumental task of eliminating the Cavs in the back of their minds, I think that we will see a collapse of epic proportions from the line in this game by the Magic. We haven't seen the desperate LeBron in a while. Detroit remembers what a desperate LeBron did to them. Orlando will find out too. It will be a dazzling display. Do the right thing

[HoulihansTX]

Lakers close it out tonight on the road in Jordan era fashion. Houlihans, while you're at it you can let us know what team caused the blemish on Denvers' home 11-1 court dominance in the late season and playoffs. So in reality, Denver is only .500 against the Lakers at home and that would be straight up. Those gaudy stats about Denver at home in the playoffs don't pertain to this game or this series. F*ck all of those other teams. The Lakers have already shown in THIS series that they can win in Denver. Kobe is always at the root of f*cking off your money. We already know that he wants to close it out tonight. Denver has already gone as far as they could go.

I don't think the Lakers feel any pressure to finish them off tonight. Lakers are comfortable at home, and they know for better or worse they have one more game guaranteed to them. Denvers best game at home trumps the Lakers road trip squad(or minus their bench, and Lamar Odom). Lakers had this chance in game 5 and they squandered it. I agree betting against Kobe is taking a huge chance, but Denver backed into a corner is as dangerous as anyone.

I saw Lebron win a game by himself last nite, nevertheless I think Denver has 3 scorers, who through teamwork, can have the same effect.

[sweetjones55]

I am with you on Cleveland. All they needed was SOMEONE to hit a shot other than King James and wahlah a 10 point victory. Mo Williams finally showed up after 4 straight games of 33% shooting.

[cocknocker]

Chauncey, Carmelo, Kenyon, and JR Smith all shot a combined 30% in that game and the Nuggets still won 3 out of the 4 quarters and led throughtout the whole game. I would assume a blowout if you told me that those 4 players all shoot 30% collectively.

Why did the guys you speak of shoot under 35% collectively? It's called defense. The Lakers play it only when they want to. Stop making excuses for the loss. When the Lakers lost those games against Houston, it wasn't because they were cold from the field. It was because they were being defended well. No excuses. Denver sdoesn't get one either. They are playing a superior team. Denver is close but not ready.

You got a 50/50 shot. It's your call, your money. I've already made up my mind and I am through talking about it now.

[shoebox]

Look man. They weren't soft when they had the best defense this year and were one of the best cover teams in the NBA. They weren't soft when they covered every playoff game by double digits pror to this series either. So what you took a loss yesterday. Shake it off and keep on thinking with your mind instead of your emotions. Cleveland was the right call yesterday in the 1st half, they just let up off of the gas. What can you do? Shit happens. After all, you certainly weren't calling Cleveland soft when the 1st quarter was over. Cleveland isn't soft. They just have been tested that's all. Orlando keeps on coming all game long, and they never quit. But t show you that I'm sympathetic to your condition, I wil help you out a bit since your blood pressure seems a bit high.

Put down the popcorn and grab your stones and give them a squeeze. Take a shot of Everclear straight and then take Cleveland moneyline. That is all that I can prescribe for you at this time. This series is in the bag. Orlando had their chance and now it's ova!

Orlando does not shoot free throws very well. With the thought of the monumental task of eliminating the Cavs in the back of their minds, I think that we will see a collapse of epic proportions from the line in this game by the Magic. We haven't seen the desperate LeBron in a while. Detroit remembers what a desperate LeBron did to them. Orlando will find out too. It will be a dazzling display. Do the right thing

Damn brother I feel like climbing a mountain right now, good shit holmes!!!

[sweetjones55]

Why did the guys you speak of shoot under 35% collectively? It's called defense. The Lakers play it only when they want to. Stop making excuses for the loss. When the Lakers lost those games against Houston, it wasn't because they were cold from the field. It was because they were being defended well. No excuses. Denver sdoesn't get one either. They are playing a superior team. Denver is close but not ready.

You got a 50/50 shot. It's your call, your money. I've already made up my mind and I am through talking about it now.

I am not making any excuses for Denver. I am just pointing out facts as to why they lost. I never said that the Lakers didn't have anything to do with them missing. I am very well aware of the Lakers only playing defense when they want to and that plays into why I think the Nuggets will pull it out. The Lakers know at the end of the day that they still got game 7 at home. The Nuggets don't have that mindset. GL, this is a no play for me unless I can get a good Nuggets halftime line.

[NBA Hero]

well i have lakers and the points. And line movement is just right.

what do you guys have for O/U.

i already made my stamp on Under 209

[lakerboy]

listen people ck has been pretty low key about these 2 series- for a reason he wanted to see how things start playing out. sweetjones you are making excuses cause what ck said is true the nuggets are close but their not ready. in game 5 we saw something we havent seen in this whole series and that was a big run by the lakers finally. that was also the first time the nuggets went any extended period of time without getting any points in the whole playoffs. when ck says its a done deal we stop talking about it.

[SlicWilly3]

listen people ck has been pretty low key about these 2 series- for a reason he wanted to see how things start playing out. sweetjones you are making excuses cause what ck said is true the nuggets are close but their not ready. in game 5 we saw something we havent seen in this whole series and that was a big run by the lakers finally. that was also the first time the nuggets went any extended period of time without getting any points in the whole playoffs. when ck says its a done deal we stop talking about it.

Stop talking about?? CK can stop talking about it bro....But it doesn't mean we all have to....

I think the Nuggets win tonight.....I have them on the ML and -3 1/2 (2 pt buy).

As stated their backs are against the wall, and they are a better team playing at home. Denver will be a crazy place to play tonight. And yes the Lakers can win on the road as they proved.....But so did the Nuggets..... No edge there imo.

One ATS (Against The Spread) that caught my eye was that the Nuggets are 2-0 ATS in the playoffs THIS year when trailing in a series. While the Lakers are 1-7 ATS when leading in a series

But throw all the stats out of the window if you want. I think Billups, Anthony, and Co. Get the job done tonight and we'll all be talking about who we like in game 7 on Sunday

[SmackdownV]

Heck guys.....after the past two "Ref" games.....I have no idea what the NBA has in store for us tonight. Here is a few thoughts:

1. ABC makes the "call" and that would mean a Denver win to ensure a game 7 and advertising $$ for Sunday.
2. Nuggets blow the Lakers out of the F-ing water tonight and go back to LA for a game 7 "Ref" game.
3. Lakers lose by only by a last second shot....allowing the NBA to get the game 7 but still F-ck the Denver money in the end.
4. Lakers are going to win this game outright and take all the money bet on the Nuggets. I.E. The last Laker game with all the "And 1's" on Wed night....I.E. The game last night with the "And 1's" in the fourth quarter ensuring that the line stays above 10 points right down to the final seconds......(for the Cavs cover)...for the first time in a LONG time......
5. Nuggets come back in some sort of "dramatic fashion" tonight (not covering the spread) and thus gets us all tune in for game 7 since "amazing just happened" in game 6.
6. Nuggets come back in the fourth quarter using the altitude for the win and the Nuggets $$ cash.

Who the F knows anymore????

[SmackdownV]

listen people ck has been pretty low key about these 2 series- for a reason he wanted to see how things start playing out. sweetjones you are making excuses cause what ck said is true the nuggets are close but their not ready. in game 5 we saw something we havent seen in this whole series and that was a big run by the lakers finally. that was also the first time the nuggets went any extended period of time without getting any points in the whole playoffs. when ck says its a done deal we stop talking about it.

Pretty easy to make that "big run" by the Lakers when the Refs were calling "And 1's" left and right.....then Melo, K-Mart and Nene get FREAKING mugged and nothing gets called. Come on Lakerboy.....at least admit that the Refs made that run happen.

You CAN'T deny it so don't try.....that game was fixed and ANYONE with two eyes KNOWS it was.

[repski]

Look man. They weren't soft when they had the best defense this year and were one of the best cover teams in the NBA. They weren't soft when they covered every playoff game by double digits pror to this series either. So what you took a loss yesterday. Shake it off and keep on thinking with your mind instead of your emotions. Cleveland was the right call yesterday in the 1st half, they just let up off of the gas. What can you do? Shit happens. After all, you certainly weren't calling Cleveland soft when the 1st quarter was over. Cleveland isn't soft. They just have been tested that's all. Orlando keeps on coming all game long, and they never quit. But t show you that I'm sympathetic to your condition, I wil help you out a bit since your blood pressure seems a bit high.

Put down the popcorn and grab your stones and give them a squeeze. Take a shot of Everclear straight and then take Cleveland moneyline. That is all that I can prescribe for you at this time. This series is in the bag. Orlando had their chance and now it's ova!

Orlando does not shoot free throws very well. With the thought of the monumental task of eliminating the Cavs in the back of their minds, I think that we will see a collapse of epic proportions from the line in this game by the Magic. We haven't seen the desperate LeBron in a while. Detroit remembers what a desperate LeBron did to them. Orlando will find out too. It will be a dazzling display. Do the right thing

lol...good stuff
has me thinking back to the speech in animal house...

still

[ASH0479]

....

Bam....

CK has spoken, and he has spoken wisely....it's your call as far as what you want to do with your money, the man had his say, so lets stop talking about it....Kobe and Lebron for me

[SmackdownV]

ASH:

Stupid to take the Lakers tonight for a couple of reasons.......ABC want's that game 7 on Sunday.....(otherwise it's the wide world of sports).........Nuggets will PLAY HARD for the home crowd tonight and CK was wrong in game 4.....I love CK's picks for the most part but in this series he loves the Lakers as much as ESPN does.

Don't cloud your glasses big boy.......Nuggets will win this game if for no other reason than to ensure ABC has something going on Sunday.

If anything take the NUGGETS and the OVER........equal bets.

Then you can roll the cash on the Cavs ML tomorrow.....since TNT want's a game 7 FO Sure..........

[HoulihansTX]

Some Trends...

Nuggets have covered both 1stHalves @Home by; 5 & 7
Den/LAL have gone under both 1st Halves @Denver; 97 & 100

Plays...
Nuggets -5 w/ 208Over
1stHalf Nuggets -3.5 w/ 105Under

[SmackdownV]

Some Trends...

Nuggets have covered both 1stHalves @Home by; 5 & 7
Den/LAL have gone under both 1st Halves @Denver; 97 & 100

Plays...
Nuggets -5 w/ 208Over
1stHalf Nuggets -3.5 w/ 105Under

I'm with you on Nuggets -5 and the OVER......

I won't mess with the first half........but I will be sitting 10 rows up behind the backboard......drinking coors light in my "melo" jersey.....My lady is wearing the "birdman" jersey with no bra!

Oh My.....I'm going to win and get lucky when I get home!

Sweet Lord....what a night it's going to be!!!!

[spurginobili]

lol...good stuff
has me thinking back to the speech in animal house...

still

That's ****ing funny. LOL

[OTown]

Pretty easy to make that "big run" by the Lakers when the Refs were calling "And 1's" left and right.....then Melo, K-Mart and Nene get FREAKING mugged and nothing gets called. Come on Lakerboy.....at least admit that the Refs made that run happen.

You CAN'T deny it so don't try.....that game was fixed and ANYONE with two eyes KNOWS it was.

NBA and Nike want to see LBJ and Kobe square off. This is the first time in my life i believed NBA is fixed...

[SmackdownV]

True OTown........The Refs made that run happen. Also keep in mind that a Game 7 in the Finals is HUGE for advertising Dollars.......(remember the refs got in that mess a while back for extending series for that reason)....and they are STILL doing it.

Watch tonight.....whenever Denver gets an obvious "no-call" or even a foul for that matter....ESPN won't show it.....when the Lakers get a "foul" or a "no-call" in the "announcers" opinion.....they will show it about 4 times. It sick to watch how much ESPN is for the Lakers in this one. Just keep that in mind......watch the "no call" fouls tonight........when Denver gets mugged they will show a stat....or something else like we did not see it........as for the Lakers......they will say......"well that looked like a fould to me".........

I recorded every game this series and that is what's going on........like that run in the 4th quarter in game 5. TOTAL BS.........

[SmackdownV]

Last night: Another example. They knew the spread was 7.5 so what did they do.......called a VERY TICKY TAC "and 1" to ensure the spread stayed at 11 up until the final gun and the refs helped the Cavs make that run to get the lead..........every time Orlando started to get close to that "7" number they called another foul......then they take Howard out of the game for the final dagger to make the spread stick.

Ouch.......at least don't be so obvious when your throwing games refs.....have some class at least.

[El Degeneroso]

The Lakers have played great, especially at the key moments, in the "must win" games this postseason. See games 2, 5, and 7 vs Houston; and games 3 & 5 vs Denver. Problem is, I dont think they will approach this game tonight with that mindset. Taking Denver -5, GL to all.

[Jobe2004]

denver fan pining for the nuggets...that will work

Ck took the lakers @ +8.5 , so its not like he went heavy on the ML

and stop complaining about the refs when u lost a bet...just ride with the tide...& the refs...to a cashing ticket

ASH:

Stupid to take the Lakers tonight for a couple of reasons.......ABC want's that game 7 on Sunday.....(otherwise it's the wide world of sports).........Nuggets will PLAY HARD for the home crowd tonight and CK was wrong in game 4.....I love CK's picks for the most part but in this series he loves the Lakers as much as ESPN does.

Don't cloud your glasses big boy.......Nuggets will win this game if for no other reason than to ensure ABC has something going on Sunday.

If anything take the NUGGETS and the OVER........equal bets.

Then you can roll the cash on the Cavs ML tomorrow.....since TNT want's a game 7 FO Sure..........

[SmackdownV]

Your right.

I will cash the Nuggets -5 and the over 208 tonight.

Refs or no Refs.......The Black Mamba gets to wait another night to go to the finals......unless Denver beats him twice.

[CP Thrizzle]

This is too many points to give the Lakers. It's a sucker bet. First of all this is the biggest underdog line the Lakers have had this year. What makes this occasion and team so different that it warrants an opening line of 6? Give me them points and tack on 3 more. I am taking the Lakers +8.5, and also taking the moneyline as well +180

Lakers+8.5 3 point buy Game 6
Lakers+180 moneyline (small) Game 6

Hey CK,

How much do you usually put on the moneyline compared to the spread in this type of situation (to make best use of your money)?

[cs11787]

One thing Ive learned about the Lakers is besides after a SU loss, they cover when you least expect them to. Screw the big 5.5 points, Im rollin wit my man Kobe in this one and takin the jugular...
LAL ML +190

[cs11787]

I hate to take the under in the Cleveland/Orlando game 6 but dont the guidelines call for it? They each scored WAAAAYYYY over 100 points in the last two games. What yall think?

[SexyMit]

I'm leaning the under in game 6, there is alot of people on the over. Over 90% right now

[wangichu]

Cavs cant hand..tried to tell ya'll..this series is OVA..my post with the Orlando -245 for series looks pretty good huh? Hope you jumped on it DEX

i'm sorry, but i'd rather take the cavs at plus money for the series at that point, but either way, i have the books pinned if i do, because i made a play on orlando to win the series at +500 after looking at how they matchup with cleveland coming in.

as for game 6, definitely the cavs... the spread offered in orlando keeps shifting towards the cavs and after their inspiring performance in game 4 (just the fact that they all but should have won that game still, especially if delonte could have just held that ball late) and then handling business in game 5, i have think the cavs could be posed for a miracle. Still kinda think orlando gets it done in game 7, but cavs in game 6 is looking pretty good, especially with the public getting all giddy over a virtual pick em for the magic.

[wangichu]

Pretty easy to make that "big run" by the Lakers when the Refs were calling "And 1's" left and right.....then Melo, K-Mart and Nene get FREAKING mugged and nothing gets called. Come on Lakerboy.....at least admit that the Refs made that run happen.

You CAN'T deny it so don't try.....that game was fixed and ANYONE with two eyes KNOWS it was.

firstly, as much as i respect some of the capping you've done here, bro, you're tripping about the refs. If you watch the replays on most of those and 1's, they were correctly called. Ariza got popped in the head when he finished even though it looked like he was just moving it out of the way, and lamar was definitely and 1'ed on that late play (only one's i can remember right off hand). Outside of that, the refs just let guys go late, there were at least 4 non calls where i was like "what the hell?" but that was no calls that i thought should have been called FOR the lakers, but as i saw the game develop, i felt ok, because the no-calls were reciprocated. The refs just let the game be played and allowed for some good physical playoff basketball.

If my counting serves me right, there were a ridiculous 36 FT attempts in the 4th quarter of game 4, leading to a stupid 78 points scored in that quarter, in a very boring quarter of basketball where the whistle was blowing like they had hit up the free crack give away prior to the game and were flinching every time someone attacked the hoop. If the nuggets could have hit the broad side of a barn in the late 3rd, early 4th quarters, the lakers might not have walked away with it.

All that said, i can't see the nuggets coughing it up on their home court. As good as the lakers can be in closeout games, i'm calling shennanegins on the spread here... lakers took 1 of 2 in denver and yet the books issued the spread at 2 points higher than either of the 2 previous games in denver. I will watch the line up until game time, but as of right now, i have to think the nuggets get the job done here, wire to wire style. I've got lakers in 7.

**the way that the books lose the most money is if the lakers win SU, with about 70% of ML money on the lakers ML, and about 55% on the lakers + the points. no way the books are handing out free money. If the lakers were to win this game, they would not have caught more than 4 points coming in. Nuggets are too good, too motivated and have home court backing. I don't think they're vulnerable enough to drop 2 of 3 at home to anyone.

[HoulihansTX]

firstly, as much as i respect some of the capping you've done here, bro, you're tripping about the refs. If you watch the replays on most of those and 1's, they were correctly called. Ariza got popped in the head when he finished even though it looked like he was just moving it out of the way, and lamar was definitely and 1'ed on that late play (only one's i can remember right off hand). Outside of that, the refs just let guys go late, there were at least 4 non calls where i was like "what the hell?" but that was no calls that i thought should have been called FOR the lakers, but as i saw the game develop, i felt ok, because the no-calls were reciprocated. The refs just let the game be played and allowed for some good physical playoff basketball.

If my counting serves me right, there were a ridiculous 36 FT attempts in the 4th quarter of game 4, leading to a stupid 78 points scored in that quarter, in a very boring quarter of basketball where the whistle was blowing like they had hit up the free crack give away prior to the game and were flinching every time someone attacked the hoop. If the nuggets could have hit the broad side of a barn in the late 3rd, early 4th quarters, the lakers might not have walked away with it.

All that said, i can't see the nuggets coughing it up on their home court. As good as the lakers can be in closeout games, i'm calling shennanegins on the spread here... lakers took 1 of 2 in denver and yet the books issued the spread at 2 points higher than either of the 2 previous games in denver. I will watch the line up until game time, but as of right now, i have to think the nuggets get the job done here, wire to wire style. I've got lakers in 7.

tHANKS FOR FINALLY CHIRPPING in. Hell it is your thread, HaHaHa.

[BigMoneyMan]

firstly, as much as i respect some of the capping you've done here, bro, you're tripping about the refs. If you watch the replays on most of those and 1's, they were correctly called. Ariza got popped in the head when he finished even though it looked like he was just moving it out of the way, and lamar was definitely and 1'ed on that late play (only one's i can remember right off hand). Outside of that, the refs just let guys go late, there were at least 4 non calls where i was like "what the hell?" but that was no calls that i thought should have been called FOR the lakers, but as i saw the game develop, i felt ok, because the no-calls were reciprocated. The refs just let the game be played and allowed for some good physical playoff basketball.

If my counting serves me right, there were a ridiculous 36 FT attempts in the 4th quarter of game 4, leading to a stupid 78 points scored in that quarter, in a very boring quarter of basketball where the whistle was blowing like they had hit up the free crack give away prior to the game and were flinching every time someone attacked the hoop. If the nuggets could have hit the broad side of a barn in the late 3rd, early 4th quarters, the lakers might not have walked away with it.

All that said, i can't see the nuggets coughing it up on their home court. As good as the lakers can be in closeout games, i'm calling shennanegins on the spread here... lakers took 1 of 2 in denver and yet the books issued the spread at 2 points higher than either of the 2 previous games in denver. I will watch the line up until game time, but as of right now, i have to think the nuggets get the job done here, wire to wire style. I've got lakers in 7.

Agreed but it will be a tight line. So teasing Denver with Orlando tomorrow. I am sick of losing in the last 2 minutes of these games do to the fix. If Orlando can just get a somewhat fair game form the refs they will get it done tomorrow.