Lebron seems not into it.. maybe burned out

[Ratzz]

4 yrs to the Finals would do it i suppose

this could be a bad omen.. maybe just growing pains and adjustment w/new team..

but it seems like he just wants to Fast Forward and start the playoffs again,
and not put up with the regular season.

seems Kobe-ish on defense in some plays,,
goes for a BIG steal, and if that fails, then gives up on play
not taking a million shots like KB, but head not in game/distracted

anybody else notice.. or have similar observations?

[pattymayo]

its the 4th fukkin game of the year

[Menses]

4 yrs to the Finals would do it i suppose

this could be a bad omen.. maybe just growing pains and adjustment w/new team..

but it seems like he just wants to Fast Forward and start the playoffs again,
and not put up with the regular season.

seems Kobe-ish on defense in some plays,,
goes for a BIG steal, and if that fails, then gives up on play
not taking a million shots like KB, but head not in game/distracted

anybody else notice.. or have similar observations?

Some say its the HGH...which i suspect he has been on...others say it is fatigue..which may very well true considering he has asked for a sub in a few earlier games this season. Or he could be making a point...that the other players need to learn how to score efficiently...either way..they are clearly are not a contender at this point...

[Steamroller]

4 yrs to the Finals would do it i suppose

this could be a bad omen.. maybe just growing pains and adjustment w/new team..

but it seems like he just wants to Fast Forward and start the playoffs again,
and not put up with the regular season.

seems Kobe-ish on defense in some plays,,
goes for a BIG steal, and if that fails, then gives up on play
not taking a million shots like KB, but head not in game/distracted

anybody else notice.. or have similar observations?

Cavs still hard to beat?

[Ratzz]

Cavs still hard to beat?

lol.. not at this moment..

but errors are not a matter of lying, ...they looked great in the pre-season, when only 'two'
of the new big three were on the floor

i had to assume that with all three on they were going to be all out

[Ratzz]

Some say its the HGH...which i suspect he has been on...others say it is fatigue..which may very well true considering he has asked for a sub in a few earlier games this season. Or he could be making a point...that the other players need to learn how to score efficiently...either way..they are clearly are not a contender at this point...

was that the subtext for the weight loss?
i had not heard about that, seems young for HGH,
besides, plenty of way to naturally augment secretion.

perhaps just feels ineffective at lower weight?
i thought he dropped pounds to in order to stretch his career.
Larger men tend to deteriorate a bit sooner.

[Ratzz]

saw some good fire there at the end.. could be coming back.. Cavs need time.

possibly lebron needs a year off from the Finals..

over 100 games for 4 straight seasons.. is 5 seasons played in 4 yrs.

[d2bets]

Cavs players just don't fit well together and this team has no rim protector and sucks on the defensive glass. Waiters sucks. No bench. Rookie coach. And Lebron may have already peaked. Not that he can't still be good, but I think he may have already peaked.

[Menses]

Cavs players just don't fit well together and this team has no rim protector and sucks on the defensive glass. Waiters sucks. No bench. Rookie coach. And Lebron may have already peaked. Not that he can't still be good, but I think he may have already peaked.

Agreed..Kyrie and Waiters do not belong on the floor together...and nobody on that team including Lebron plays defense right now...Lebron was not lying...He knows they are not winning anything this year...baptism by fire I suppose...Bulls coming out of the east this year...

[melotypofellow]

all of you need to go to espn site and read the brian windhorst article on lebron sitting back to let his team-mates make mistakes,play selfishly and learn the hard way that it is not the correct way to do things to achieve long term success...he will not "come to their rescue" at the present time as he feels it is a better learning process for the team to see the difference between right way and wrong..short term pain for hopefully long term gain.....tonite said it all,a measly 6 assists TOTAL in the game as kyrie and waiters tried to go it alone for large stretches.
they will DEFINITELY turn it around,its as sure as death and taxes...theres way too much talent on that squad and theyre not gonna end up a .500 team.....just gotta learn sum lessons on the way and how all fit together,could take a month or even 2??..maybe even more before things click as they shud

[melotypofellow]

Cavs players just don't fit well together and this team has no rim protector and sucks on the defensive glass. Waiters sucks. No bench. Rookie coach. And Lebron may have already peaked. Not that he can't still be good, but I think he may have already peaked.

i gotta disagree completely with everything you said,total over-reaction big time.....in time there is no reason they will not fit just fine.they have every role filled fairly well or very well and have nice depth compared to everyone else in the east...a lot of teams dont have a rim protector and can get by just fine by compensating in other ways.miami just won 2 championships without a rim protector....waiters does not suck at all,he needs an attitude adjustment....but he has undeniable talent and can be an important piece if he sticks around and gets his head right.....bench is better than average...thompson,dellavadova,marion,mi ller is decent enuff...coach is a question mark i grant you that....lebron is at his peak and has shown nothing to suggest he is on the downside yet.....until we see otherwise its a little presumptuous to shovel dirt on him.......theyve played 4 games,not even 5% of the season yet....if they look like garbage 40 games in,then there mite be a problem

[EvenBetter]

Overreaction for real... this same discussion happened with the Heat early in the season, yeah they ended up in the finals.

It's a whole new group, they need to learn how to play with each other and catch a groove. This team will balance themselves out. I'm not a Cavs fan or a Lebron nut-swinger, just looking at this as a realist. I bet Kevin Love will be the one constant throughout the year that they can draw from, Lebron will be taking over 4th quarters again soon once he's coached up his younger teammates.

[riskyProps]

LOL! This happened the first year LeBron was with the Heat and they ended up in the finals. The East is weak so they don't need to win 48 games to get into the playoffs.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Way to early , coach 1st ever season in nba, new lineup, and maybe a couple ego issues with the diaper dandies. To say Bron looks uninspired or not into tho is just flat out retarded. Let's at least give this till Feb before piling on the this can't work train. Ratzz just stick to what you know best the "thank you capt obvious" Kobe bashing threads.

[Ratzz]

Way to early , coach 1st ever season in nba, new lineup, and maybe a couple ego issues with the diaper dandies. To say Bron looks uninspired or not into tho is just flat out retarded. Let's at least give this till Feb before piling on the this can't work train. Ratzz just stick to what you know best the "thank you capt obvious" Kobe bashing threads.

i like Lebron, i hope Cavs do well
but i see several plays where his body language is non-commital

i watched Hayward try to inbound a ball, with Lebron standing in front of him without even raising his arms..

if you are able to read between the lines (not likely) i am noticing a tendency towards maximum effort directed at
high-reward plays.. (steal a pass-fast-break dunk).. rather than chase and badger defense..
which is more taxing, but over a whole game creates lower points yielded.

i am not poo-pooing Lebron. I think they will figure it out.
i certainly am not saying he is a poor teammate (as Kobe is)

Lebron is a positive minded person, in a frustrated position (for the time-being)
Cavs have a lot on their plate.

will take a while to digest it all

[thetrinity]

too early to overreact here unless you bet over 58.5 wins

[Menses]

LOL! This happened the first year LeBron was with the Heat and they ended up in the finals. The East is weak so they don't need to win 48 games to get into the playoffs.

The East is not week...This is a fallacy. There are several teams in the East capapble of beating anyone on any given night..East coast teams play hard nose defense and are not lazy..which is why Miami, Toronto, Washinton, Chicago & Charlotte...will all have tremendous records at home..The Cavs on their best day cannot simply walk into Chicago, Washington or Toronto and win...nothing is promised..

[Menses]

As far as I am concerned..it is all to be expected...The Cavs on paper seem the team to beat...in reality none of them outside of Lebron have played defense a day in their lives...how can you win in the East not playing defense? And how can you beat high powered western team offenses not playing defense? It is no surprise to me they lost at Utah...Heyward said he would lock down Lebron at the beginning of the season and that is precisely what happened...there are some young fresh guys in this league that are gunning it every night on both ends of the floor...Outside of Lebron, this Cavs team simply is not used to that kind of effort..

To ask a 23 year old Pretend point guard in Kyrie to stop shooting and start passing is like asking Kobe to do the same thing now..LOL...this is and was always going to be the most difficult task for Lebron going to Cleveland...Lebron is Shaq....and Kyrie is Kobe....and Blatt is likely not the guy who can get through to either one of them...truth be told...the only guy I think Kyrie could listen to and still get Lebron's respect....is Coach K....surprise surprise....notice Kyrie's Fiba play is much different than his NBA play....no surprise there....Coack K even got James Harden to play defense....yikes!!!!

[Snowball]

here is the resume of their HEAD COACH.

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU ? I realize LeBron has financial dealings with New York
rabbis and the owner is Jewish, but still... does it REALLY make sense for a guy with this
resume to head coach the MOST IMPORTANT new team in the NBA ?

Maccabi Haifa

Atlanta Pro-Am League

Hapoel Jerusalem

Maccabi Natanya

Hapoel Galil Elyon

Hapoel Jerusalem

Ironi Nahariya

Maccabi Hadera

Hapoel Galil Elyon

Hapoel Galil Elyon (assistant)

Hapoel Galil Elyon

Israel Under-22 (assistant)

Israel (assistant)

Maccabi Tel Aviv (assistant)

Maccabi Tel Aviv

Maccabi Tel Aviv (assistant)

Israel

Dynamo St. Petersburg

Benetton Treviso

Russia

Efes Pilsen

Dynamo Moscow

Aris Thessaloniki

Maccabi Tel Aviv

Cleveland Cavaliers

[upscope]

Some say its the HGH...which i suspect he has been on...others say it is fatigue..which may very well true considering he has asked for a sub in a few earlier games this season. Or he could be making a point...that the other players need to learn how to score efficiently...either way..they are clearly are not a contender at this point...

Honestly, I think this actually may have something to do with it. He slimmed down in the off season & it sounds like to me that he wasn't going to press the issue continuing on using HGH (allegedly of course). He's got too much to protect & the way all these crack downs have occurred in other sports the last thing LeBron or the NBA for that matter needs is to have somebody nail him with proof of HGH.
It makes sense to me that when he dicided to return to Cleveland he also decided to cut that shit out & start fresh. He used the whole diet/slim down offseason regimen thingy to cover UP the weight loss. This is the player that LeBron really is, still great, still the best the league has to offer but not the eye popping ridiculous dominate player the HGH (allegedly of course) made him.
I mean he only has 2 dunks on the season

[Menses]

Honestly, I think this actually may have something to do with it. He slimmed down in the off season & it sounds like to me that he wasn't going to press the issue continuing on using HGH (allegedly of course). He's got too much to protect & the way all these crack downs have occurred in other sports the last thing LeBron or the NBA for that matter needs is to have somebody nail him with proof of HGH.
It makes sense to me that when he dicided to return to Cleveland he also decided to cut that shit out & start fresh. He used the whole diet/slim down offseason regimen thingy to cover UP the weight loss. This is the player that LeBron really is, still great, still the best the league has to offer but not the eye popping ridiculous dominate player the HGH (allegedly of course) made him.
I mean he only has 2 dunks on the season

I am a Lebron fan, through the decision...and despise Kobe...But I have always believed Lebron was on HGH...I believe it is the main reason he has not suffered a serious injury with the amount of games he has played these past 4-5 years....When you stop taking it suddenly...there is a major drop off in energy, and thus production...and the NBA does not test for it...so people won't notice it at first...but...I gotta think he has indeed used it these past few years...and now has decided to stop...the adjustment will be difficult...this guy needed a sub 3 games into the season....I think he checks out until after the break to find his bearings.....hopefully they go 500....

[Ratzz]

here is the resume of their HEAD COACH.

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU ? I realize LeBron has financial dealings with New York
rabbis and the owner is Jewish, but still... does it REALLY make sense for a guy with this
resume to head coach the MOST IMPORTANT new team in the NBA ?

yikes.. they should get Coach K. in there.. seems to have zero probe handling massive talent..
great points about the D.

Lebron was chastising Irving for all those pouts and NO ASSISTS

very Kobe.. can't work. need to reprogram him.. hope Lebron pulls it off.
damn amazing team if he does

[rm18]

Two more losses and he will be playing for the Browns

[MoMoneyMoVaughn]

Two more losses and he will be playing for the Browns

Who have you been talking to?

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