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  • bulichm
    SBR High Roller
    • 02-10-10
    • 181

    #106
    New to your system. Read the entire post and have a question or two. 1)Should we be playing or fading the toer plays? 2) The S/B plays,are they just personal picks or are they based on system plays? 3) Is it a toer system play no matter how small the margin of difference in our favor? 4) In post #91 should PHX +3 (+2) been a no play?
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    • ShivaBowl
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 03-09-10
      • 5133

      #107
      Originally posted by bulichm
      New to your system. Read the entire post and have a question or two. 1)Should we be playing or fading the toer plays? 2) The S/B plays,are they just personal picks or are they based on system plays? 3) Is it a toer system play no matter how small the margin of difference in our favor? 4) In post #91 should PHX +3 (+2) been a no play?
      Hey bulichm,
      <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Yes, the Shiva plays are my own personal plays and are not part of any system in this thread.
      And as far as fading TOER, Degenregen is dead set on making it
      work,
      so I would be a little weary about fading TOER at this time.

      I’m sure Degenregen, can help with the rest of your questions about
      what he is doing with the TORE System.
      Thanks
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      • ShivaBowl
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 03-09-10
        • 5133

        #108
        <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Today’s S/B Plays

        Massachusetts’s v Northeastern
        Northeastern +3½ -110

        55/50

        St Johns v San Francisco
        St Johns +3½ -110

        55/50

        Northwestern v Baylor
        Northwestern +12½ -120

        60/50
        Last edited by ShivaBowl; 12-04-12, 10:53 AM. Reason: Northwestern +12½ -120
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        • Degenregen
          SBR Sharp
          • 10-15-12
          • 349

          #109
          Originally posted by Degenregen
          toer (03/12/12) ytd (19-24)

          POR -1 (+1) W

          CLE +4 (+5) L

          NWO +1.5 (+4.5) W

          TOR +11 (+10) NP

          LAC -0.5 (-1.5) NP
          toer (04/12/12) ytd (21-25)

          OKC -5.5 (-4)

          I haven't been betting on TOER lately, I've just been keeping track. It started off 1-8, but it's been creeping slowly back to 50%. If I were betting on something, I would be betting that TOER gets to 50% at some point, so I don't think you want to fade it.

          As for the lines, the lines outside the parenthesis is what the TOER system believes the lines should be at. The lines in the parentheses are the actual lines. So for example, the strongest play yesterday was for NWO since the actual line gave you 3 points over what TOER believed the line should be at (After the 5 pt overlay). Whereas the weakest play was on CLE which TOER believed the line was only off by one. TOR and LAC were no plays because the lines never got better than what TOER believed they should be (Keep in mind the 5 point overlay, so it's not saying you should fade these either.)
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          • thes0vereign
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 02-13-12
            • 712

            #110
            Shiva,
            How do you determine your hedge bets for the teasers? Are these in-game lines or do you hit up the 2nd half when a team is faltering?
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            • Tommygunn
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 02-26-09
              • 669

              #111
              PR 04/12/12

              Minn +4 or >

              Brook

              Chi -3.5 or <

              Hou -1 or <

              DD


              Mia

              Mem
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              • ShivaBowl
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 03-09-10
                • 5133

                #112
                Originally posted by thes0vereign
                Shiva,
                How do you determine your hedge bets for the teasers? Are these in-game lines or do you hit up the 2nd half when a team is faltering?
                <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> When comes to teasers; my strategy is usually to pick it early game and then a late game.
                If I hit the first game now I have some options on the second game, either with the Money Line or if it's an underdog I'll take the points.
                Also, I do use halftime lines.

                BOL

                EX:
                Game 1 WIN
                Game 2 p/k (-5)
                Now I would take the dog in game 2 at +5
                Also, I would be looking at, the half time line.
                BOL
                Last edited by ShivaBowl; 12-05-12, 10:05 AM.
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                • ShivaBowl
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 03-09-10
                  • 5133

                  #113
                  <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 1-2 yesterday -$60.00
                  S/B Plays Teasers 4-2 +$125.00
                  Hedge Plays 1-1 +58.64
                  Straight Plays 4-4 +$55.00
                  +$243.64

                  Today’s S/B Plays

                  Teasers -110
                  Florida (-5½)
                  Memphis (-4½)
                  110/100

                  Temple v Villanova
                  Villanova +3 -110

                  110/100
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                  • ShivaBowl
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 03-09-10
                    • 5133

                    #114
                    <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Recap; Northeastern was up nine with the spread up 12.5 with about 4:50 to go.
                    They scored one point in about 4 1/2 minutes and that's why basketball will rip your lungs out.
                    It's a long year and it takes a ton of patients, keep it small and don't blow your brains out betting on BB.


                    I may have a play on USC there’s something fishy about this line?
                    You would think, it would be around NM > -15
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                    • HoulihansTX
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 02-12-09
                      • 30566

                      #115
                      Northwestern.. what a ML.
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                      • ShivaBowl
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 03-09-10
                        • 5133

                        #116
                        Originally posted by ShivaBowl
                        <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 1-2 yesterday -$60.00
                        Today’s S/B Plays

                        Teasers -110
                        Florida (-5½)
                        Memphis (-4½)
                        110/100

                        Temple v Villanova
                        Villanova +3 -110

                        110/100
                        Originally posted by ShivaBowl
                        <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]-->
                        I may have a play on USC there’s something fishy about this line?
                        You would think NM > -15
                        <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> As of right now, USC is down to +9.5

                        I’m going to take a shot with MRSH, on a neutral site.

                        Marshall v West Virginia
                        Marshall +5½ -110

                        55/50

                        Marshall v West Virginia
                        Marshall +180

                        25/45
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                        • Degenregen
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 10-15-12
                          • 349

                          #117
                          Originally posted by Degenregen
                          toer (04/12/12) ytd (21-25)

                          OKC -5.5 (-4) W
                          toer (05/12/12) ytd (22-25)

                          POR -5.5 (+4)

                          NYK -14.5 (-7.5)

                          DEN +.5 (+2)

                          GSW +1.5 (+1)

                          TOR +2.5 (+2.5)
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                          • Tommygunn
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 02-26-09
                            • 669

                            #118
                            (2/12/12)

                            <acronym title="Google Page Ranking">PR</acronym> no plays, YTD (7-13) -6.84 units

                            DD (1-1) -0.07 units, YTD (3-2) +0.88 units

                            HPR no plays, YTD (3-4) -1.24 units

                            (3/12/12)

                            No Plays

                            (4/12/12)

                            <acronym title="Google Page Ranking">PR</acronym> (2-2) -0.16, YTD (9-15) -7 units

                            DD (0-2) -2.07 units, YTD (3-4) -1.19 units

                            HPR no plays, YTD (3-4) -1.24 units
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                            • Tommygunn
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 02-26-09
                              • 669

                              #119
                              <acronym title="Google Page Ranking">PR</acronym> 05/12/12

                              Minn +5 or >

                              SA

                              Orl +7.5 or >

                              Tor +3 or >

                              LAC
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                              • ShivaBowl
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 03-09-10
                                • 5133

                                #120
                                S/B Play
                                USC v New Mexico
                                New Mexico -7 -120
                                60/50
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                                • Tommygunn
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 02-26-09
                                  • 669

                                  #121
                                  (5/12/12)

                                  <acronym title="Google Page Ranking">PR</acronym> (3-2) +0.90, YTD (12-17) -6.10 units

                                  DD no plays , YTD (3-4) -1.19 units

                                  HPR no plays, YTD (3-4) -1.24 units
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                                  • bulichm
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 02-10-10
                                    • 181

                                    #122
                                    Originally posted by ShivaBowl
                                    <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> When comes to teasers; my strategy is usually to pick it early game and then a late game.
                                    If I hit the first game now I have some options on the second game, either with the Money Line or if it's an underdog I'll take the points.
                                    Also, I do use halftime lines.

                                    BOL

                                    EX:
                                    Game 1 WIN
                                    Game 2 p/k (-5)
                                    Now I would take the dog in game 2 at +5
                                    Also, I would be looking at, the half time line.
                                    BOL
                                    Does these mean that you have 2 predetermined picks and you play the first one and let the second one ride? Then if the first one loses your betting the second one assuming your not going to lose both in the same day?
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                                    • ShivaBowl
                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                      • 03-09-10
                                      • 5133

                                      #123
                                      <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 2-2 yesterday –40.00
                                      S/B Plays Teasers 5-2 +$225.00
                                      Hedge Plays 1-1 +58.64
                                      Straight Plays 5-6 -$85.00
                                      +$198.64

                                      Today’s S/B Plays
                                      Teaser - ties win - 5 pts
                                      Creighton -2 (-7)
                                      Miami Heat -2 (-7)
                                      115/100
                                      Last edited by ShivaBowl; 12-06-12, 09:32 AM.
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                                      • Degenregen
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 10-15-12
                                        • 349

                                        #124
                                        Originally posted by Degenregen
                                        toer (05/12/12) ytd (22-25)

                                        POR -5.5 (+4) L

                                        NYK -14.5 (-7.5) L

                                        DEN +.5 (+2) L

                                        GSW +1.5 (+1) NP

                                        TOR +2.5 (+2.5) L
                                        toer (05/12/12) ytd (22-29)

                                        NYK +5.5 (+7)
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                                        • bulichm
                                          SBR High Roller
                                          • 02-10-10
                                          • 181

                                          #125
                                          I did get the Knicks in yesterday.
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                                          • ShivaBowl
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 03-09-10
                                            • 5133

                                            #126
                                            <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 0-1 yesterday –115.00
                                            S/B Plays Teasers 5-3 +$110.00
                                            Hedge Plays 1-1 +58.64
                                            Straight Plays 5-6 -$85.00

                                            Today’s S/B Plays
                                            Teaser - ties win -115
                                            Connecticut -5 (-10)
                                            Iowa +3 (-2)
                                            115/100
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                                            • ShivaBowl
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 03-09-10
                                              • 5133

                                              #127
                                              Originally posted by bulichm
                                              I did get the Knicks in yesterday.
                                              <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Excellent, because you had two opportunities before game start,
                                              Creighton was up big and at halftime NYN 53 MIA 53 to hedge that teaser.
                                              Unfortunately, I did not have time to post.
                                              Also, it’s a damn shame Miami sucks, because you were in a good position too hit that teaser both ways.
                                              But you did protect your bankroll with a hedge play and that's what
                                              its all about.
                                              Nice Work bulichm


                                              <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> College basketball is all about middles. Everyone is trying to hit a middle and don't let anyone tell you anything different. Guys betting 5000 on USC at plus 10 1/2 and then betting 5000 on New Mexico -7 later in the day.

                                              All you have to do is hit a few of these, in order to have a good week.
                                              BOL
                                              Last edited by ShivaBowl; 12-07-12, 09:38 AM.
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                                              • ShivaBowl
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 03-09-10
                                                • 5133

                                                #128
                                                Our friend HoulihansTX, is doing a good job.
                                                Check him out, when you have the time thanks
                                                SBR Link:
                                                Sports betting and handicapping forum: discuss picks, odds, and predictions for upcoming games and results on latest bets.
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                                                • HoulihansTX
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 02-12-09
                                                  • 30566

                                                  #129
                                                  I appreciate the Promotion Shiva
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                                                  • Degenregen
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 10-15-12
                                                    • 349

                                                    #130
                                                    Originally posted by Degenregen
                                                    toer (05/12/12) ytd (22-29)

                                                    NYK +5.5 (+7) W
                                                    toer (06/12/12) ytd (23-29)

                                                    DEN -7(+1.5)

                                                    CHA +4.5(+7)

                                                    NWO +7.5(+7.5)

                                                    HOU +7.5(+8.5)

                                                    TOER is 1-4 in it's last five. I was thinking its due for some wins but it's asking to lay money on the cats hornets and against the spurs, which I just can't.
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                                                    • Tommygunn
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 02-26-09
                                                      • 669

                                                      #131
                                                      PR (07/12/12)

                                                      Det

                                                      GS +6 or >

                                                      Clev +9 or >

                                                      HPR

                                                      Orl
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                                                      • Tommygunn
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 02-26-09
                                                        • 669

                                                        #132
                                                        PR (07/12/12)

                                                        GS

                                                        Phi +7 or >

                                                        DD

                                                        LAC

                                                        NWO +13 or >
                                                        Last edited by Tommygunn; 12-08-12, 04:08 PM.
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                                                        • ShivaBowl
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 03-09-10
                                                          • 5133

                                                          #133
                                                          <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 1-0-yesterday +100.00
                                                          Post #126
                                                          S/B Plays Teasers 6-3 +$210.00
                                                          Hedge Plays 1-1 +58.64
                                                          Straight Plays 5-6 -$85.00

                                                          Today’s S/B Plays
                                                          Ties reduce - basketball 5½ pts –120
                                                          Wisconsin +3½
                                                          Northeastern +9½
                                                          <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 120/100
                                                          Last edited by ShivaBowl; 12-08-12, 08:54 AM.
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                                                          • ShivaBowl
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 03-09-10
                                                            • 5133

                                                            #134
                                                            Originally posted by ShivaBowl
                                                            <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 1-0-yesterday +100.00
                                                            Post #126
                                                            S/B Plays Teasers 6-3 +$210.00
                                                            Hedge Plays 1-1 +58.64
                                                            Straight Plays 5-6 -$85.00

                                                            Today’s S/B Plays
                                                            Ties reduce - basketball 5½ pts –120
                                                            Wisconsin +3½
                                                            Northeastern +9½
                                                            <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> 120/100
                                                            <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> Teaser - ties win basketball 5 pts -115
                                                            Based on early lines.
                                                            West Virginia –1
                                                            New Mexico –5
                                                            115/100

                                                            Minnesota v USC
                                                            Minnesota -7 -120

                                                            120/100

                                                            Illinois v Gonzaga
                                                            Illinois +12
                                                            ½ -115
                                                            57.50/50.00

                                                            Illinois v Gonzaga
                                                            Illinois +600

                                                            25/150
                                                            Last edited by ShivaBowl; 12-08-12, 09:18 AM. Reason: Illinois +12 1/2 -115
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                                                            • bulichm
                                                              SBR High Roller
                                                              • 02-10-10
                                                              • 181

                                                              #135
                                                              Go sb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                              • ShivaBowl
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 03-09-10
                                                                • 5133

                                                                #136
                                                                Originally posted by bulichm
                                                                Go sb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                                                                <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <woNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> That’s right bulichm, I’m the only up and working
                                                                TG, DG and ST are all fast a sleep. Dreaming about my blonde
                                                                Here we go with MIN up to > - 8.5 now.
                                                                WV > - 6.5
                                                                WIS >- 2
                                                                BOL today
                                                                Last edited by ShivaBowl; 12-08-12, 10:35 AM.
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                                                                • Degenregen
                                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                                  • 10-15-12
                                                                  • 349

                                                                  #137
                                                                  Originally posted by Degenregen
                                                                  toer (06/12/12) ytd (23-29)

                                                                  DEN -7(+1.5) W

                                                                  CHA +4.5(+7) L

                                                                  NWO +7.5(+7.5) W

                                                                  HOU +7.5(+8.5) L

                                                                  TOER is 1-4 in it's last five. I was thinking its due for some wins but it's asking to lay money on the cats hornets and against the spurs, which I just can't.
                                                                  toer (06/12/12) ytd (25-31)

                                                                  NYK -10.5(-2)

                                                                  ATL +7(+7)

                                                                  GSW -7.5(-4)

                                                                  Went with DEN avoiding the other three and made a nice little profit yesterday. I'm going with NYK and GSW today. Also took under 201 phx/lac. BOL.
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                                                                  • Tommygunn
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 02-26-09
                                                                    • 669

                                                                    #138
                                                                    (8/12/12)

                                                                    <acronym title="Google Page Ranking">PR</acronym> (1-1) -0.09, YTD (13-18) -6.19 units

                                                                    DD no plays , YTD (3-4) -1.19 units

                                                                    HPR (0-1) -1.06, YTD (3-5) -2.30 units
                                                                    Last edited by Tommygunn; 12-08-12, 05:00 PM.
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                                                                    • ShivaBowl
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 03-09-10
                                                                      • 5133

                                                                      #139
                                                                      Wisconsin v Marquette
                                                                      Wisconsin 2nd Half -4.5
                                                                      110/100
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                                                                      • ShivaBowl
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 03-09-10
                                                                        • 5133

                                                                        #140
                                                                        Hedge play, last leg of teaser.
                                                                        Valparaiso v New Mexico
                                                                        Valparaiso +10.5 -120
                                                                        120/
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