Important live betting info for Aussies (AFL/NRL)

Shifty107 · 06-15-13, 11:40 PM

Yeah mate. It sucked when Bet365 signed up to Australian law. Was one of the best things about using them. I have since moved almost solely to pinnacle.

burkestar · 06-16-13, 11:51 AM

isnt there whispers of govt completely outlawing aus live betting,,,pritty sad if true, seems more like a pathetic attempt to protect the bookies pockets more than anythin..pritty appauling we live in a nation where a single state alone has more poker machines than any nation in the entire world and yet this is ok cause conveniently placed "gamble responsibly" stickers line the walls and machines, lol if we all had a dollar for every time we saw someone contradict that we'd be fukn millionaires.
Fair play tho more is being done now and maybe this crackdown on sports gambling is just a result of the retarded pokie situation in aus

Gee · 06-16-13, 11:07 PM

How are your limits Sando? Have you been able to get $200 down on a live side or total?

That juice is kinda standard at a lot of the Euro books on live betting unfortunately :/

The two that I tried for AFL after bet365 got an Aussie license were absolute busts.

Stanjames - I managed to get $18 down and couldn't re-bet. Waste of time.

Fonbet - I think I managed to get $30-$40 down on a bet, but they would at least let you re-tap it again after they looked at it (and often moved the line a point, but not always). However, the process of getting two bets down is tedious - I figured I'd be better off picking up the phone.

I'm resigned to the fact that live betting online on AFL just ain't happening properly any time soon.

Coopertrooper · 06-17-13, 12:10 AM

As far as I know, the long-term goal of the anti-gambling lobby and Xenophon is to ban online gambling completely (fat chance of that happening though). However, it sounds like they are also after all live-betting online, and want more done to punish those who offer live odds to Australians. I've not actually checked the laws myself, but I'm pretty sure it is illegal for a bookmaker to offer live online betting to an Australian, but is not illegal for an Australian to bet live online (putting the onus on the bookmaker), right? I get a bit lost when it comes to international law and how the internet fits into international law. I don't understand how the lobby can push the federal government to hunt books that won't operate with an Australian license? Surely they are untouchable without some kind of major international law reforms?

benrama · 06-17-13, 02:40 AM

Cooper - look at what happened with online poker in America as to what governments can do - in short cut off the ability to deposit and withdraw.

We live in such a backwards country, hope all these independents get smashed at the election and their significance dies with it.

Tim Gerry Mander · 06-17-13, 07:53 AM

I agree with Xenophon about the pokies.
They are a scourge on our society.
Instead of people spending money on themselves or their families, they go and piss it away in a pub/rsl/casino/club on the pokies.
More should be done to curb their dominance over people - similar to what the government has done with plain packaging for cigarettes.
Make machines dull and boring, no noises, no fancy colours, no fancy free spin features - that should at least cull some users.

But sports betting?
C'mon people, that's taking it to the extreme.
At least with sports betting, the outcome is based on actual events that can go any way.
All pokies are programmed to only return 87%-93% of what is put into a machine.
You can increase your chances of winning in sports betting by studying form, past results, teams, and a whole range of variables, but do you increase your chances of winning on pokies by playing them more and more?

Coopertrooper · 06-17-13, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by benrama

Cooper - look at what happened with online poker in America as to what governments can do - in short cut off the ability to deposit and withdraw.

We live in such a backwards country, hope all these independents get smashed at the election and their significance dies with it.

I only really stick to sports betting and the ponies, but I see your point on that. If they are able to restrict deposits it would make it harder, although with our lack of power, people would probably find ways around it fairly easily? The independents certainly won't be there for too long.
　

　
TGM, I agree that the pokies need to be seriously stripped back. You see them suck the life out of some people, and it is sad to see it happen in such a systemic fashion. It is frustrating that the ease of access to a pokie machine is only getting easier, while sports betting is being affected more severely by the pressure. Pokies just seem to be immune to debate - I appreciate it is a tough position for pubs and clubs who have it as a major drawcard, but it suggests there are probably too many of them in existence if they can't make money elsewhere.

sando · 06-17-13, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by Gee

How are your limits Sando? Have you been able to get $200 down on a live side or total?

That juice is kinda standard at a lot of the Euro books on live betting unfortunately :/

The two that I tried for AFL after bet365 got an Aussie license were absolute busts.

Stanjames - I managed to get $18 down and couldn't re-bet. Waste of time.

Fonbet - I think I managed to get $30-$40 down on a bet, but they would at least let you re-tap it again after they looked at it (and often moved the line a point, but not always). However, the process of getting two bets down is tedious - I figured I'd be better off picking up the phone.

I'm resigned to the fact that live betting online on AFL just ain't happening properly any time soon.

Well when I sign up to any new book I always start small (for obvious reasons) until I have tested a few things and of course most importantly made a successful withdrawal.

I can say however that I was hitting the Sharkies in the 1st half the other night as they were down 14-6 at HT and I had a big play on them at the -14, and I managed to get about $200 in play on them (from about 4-5 $30-$50 bets) with no dramas at all.

I also managed to grab the Spurs team total Over 106.5 today late in the 4th for $100 when that total seemed way too low (and I estimated at the time they would score upwards of 110) and although the total was quickly adjusted upwards they accepted my bet no worries.

I can report that post game payouts are almost instantaneous (even quicker than Pinny) which is nice.

I'm now in the process of attempting my 1st withdrawal and will report how that goes. (Only option they offer for 1st withdrawal is bank transfer, but after that they assured me I could set up Moneybookers - which is my preferred method at every site).

They have live chat support and from what I have gathered so far they appear to be a massive site (even by Euro standards) and I get the feeling that you could get hundreds in play on any live line they offer in AFL/NRL but have yet to place a single live wager larger than my $100 on the Spurs today.

benrama · 06-17-13, 03:34 PM

There's a very simple solution to the pokie problem - make them pay out at a high enough rate (ie 97%+) so they are profitable but not to the point to make pubs and clubs consider them anything other than just another form of entertainment they can provide.

Gee · 06-17-13, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by sando

I can say however that I was hitting the Sharkies in the 1st half the other night as they were down 14-6 at HT and I had a big play on them at the -14, and I managed to get about $200 in play on them (from about 4-5 $30-$50 bets) with no dramas at all.

Yes, this is what kills me, but it is better than nothing i suppose. Sounds a bit like fonbet then; can get action down, but have to re-bet at low limits over and over.

Live wagering on the USA sports should be OK to get decent wagers down. Its the smaller market stuff at Euro books that I reckon is a problem.

Domestic · 06-17-13, 11:01 PM

Sando, thank you for keeping us updated on your experiences with betvictor, hope your first payout goes smoothly. How are they when it comes to Identification? I've signed up at a few euro books over the years and some have been really picky about it, demanding to see my passport on top of Driver's Licence and of course **** card.

Assuming your payout goes well I'll certainly keep Betvictor in mind but for now If I am really desperate to get a live wager in I just tend to wait for the timeouts/end of quarters in the US Sports and use pinny or ring up Centrebet for domestic sports. Ringing up is a hassle I agree, but every now and then it is not too bad.

sando · 06-19-13, 09:07 AM

Bastards have closed my account and frozen my funds, unbelievable. Made a measley $450 over the w/e on their site - big fukicng deal.
Waiting for more information...

tommygun · 06-19-13, 02:43 PM

Why have they frozen the account? Verification?
The only book where I can get live action down is Pinnacle....
So frustrating, we live in the worst country in the world for live betting, I just want the ease of the click of a mouse. They can bet live in New Zealand!

hawley · 06-19-13, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by tommygun

Why have they frozen the account? Verification?
The only book where I can get live action down is Pinnacle....
So frustrating, we live in the worst country in the world for live betting, I just want the ease of the click of a mouse. They can bet live in New Zealand!

Coopertrooper · 06-19-13, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by sando

Bastards have closed my account and frozen my funds, unbelievable. Made a measley $450 over the w/e on their site - big fukicng deal.
Waiting for more information...

The right of refusal for books around the world on 'smaller' punters (anyone who isn't winning 1,000's off them each year) is no doubt a major frustration, especially when there are so few live online options. They obviously have seen you as a threat, and must be large enough that they don't want your action (the crap odds the offer for live betting is probably an indication they don't want to take any risks with it).

I've worked with an on-course bookie, who has declined clients at different stages because they won too much. They ease of which they can do it there is understandable, especially with bigger bets. But for the average punter, the lack of rights when it comes to sports betting sites is just plain frustrating, even for action that is not in-play. The books have all of the rights, and the punters have too few.

sando · 06-19-13, 11:39 PM

Sorry boys it looks like I jumped the gun. I was just getting worried because when I tried to log on yesterday it said "Account Closed" which was obviously disturbing, however they have now assured me that once I complete the verification process (Passport, D/L, and current bills because my address on license is wrong) they will reopen my account.

tommygun · 06-20-13, 01:23 AM

So sando whats the verdict with Bet Victor?
The only outs I have are betfair, bet365 and pinnacle (purely so I can bet live in play)

Lookingtostart · 06-20-13, 03:01 AM

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I think my local TAB is still my best option for live Aussie sports but I might try BetVictor.

Thank goodness for Pinnacle and soccer.

Rugby21 · 06-21-13, 02:00 AM

Hi, I'm from England and often use betvictor I've heard a few people say that they will close your account if your in profit of a 1000+. I prefer bet365 or paddy power might be worth a try for you guys.