How do you research horse races?

[fabric86]

I have no clue.

[bigboydan]

daily racing form

[fabric86]

daily racing form

did you say daily racing forum? what site?
At CRIS there is a race between just two horses, but I cant find info on either horse? Can I flip a coin?

[bigboydan]

heres the link for you bud:

http://www.drf.com

in regard to your cris question, they are giving a prop type bet between those two horses. basicly pick the one that will have a better finsh in that race.

[raiders72001]

Only way to beat horses is to know an owner, trainer or jockey.

[bigboydan]

Only way to beat horses is to know an owner, trainer or jockey.

yep, and even thats not always a lock raiders but, at least you'd have about a 85-90% chance of winning

[jjgold]

I use the sheets mainly

[raiders72001]

yep, and even thats not always a lock raiders but,

and it sure does piss me off when it's not

[bigboydan]

and it sure does piss me off when it's not

i could tell you a story about one race particular raiders but, it's not something i would like to post on a forum.

[fabric86]

So what are your top recommendations for me? like what should I read and learn, before I start looking at bets? Is there a site that I can type in a horse and find its info? I mean its two horses theres a 50-50 chance, that doesnt seem to bad for a small wager? right? HELP! THANKS!

[bigboydan]

heres something for a beginner

http://www.hri.ie/racing_info/default.asp

[picantel]

check out the morning line odds. Watch the early and especially the late action on the horses. That cash is usually coming from the owner/jockey/ ect. For example, a 12-1 morning line comes on the board at 5-1 and gets hit in the last 2 minutes to 2-1. The public is not doing it. Also, look for allowance/non winners going into claimers. they usually do well. Finally, look for horses dropping in class. Sometimes they drop because there is something wrong with them but 15k claimer running 1:55 will beat a 5k claimer running 1:55 95% of the time. Also check out the speed in the race. IF you have a ton of front end horses and a good closer chances are a speed dual will set up the closer. You could also have closers and one speed guy who rates his horse well and steals it because the race marks were too slow for the closer to catch. Watch jockey changes. If you do horses for awhile you know the good jockeys. I cannot tell you how many times I watched a crap horse with a crap jockey get a good jockey and crush the field.

[fabric86]

So pic what sites do you use for info and betting?(anybody can answer)

[bigboydan]

i use the DRF personaly but, i figured sense you were a newbee to horse betting, you might want to look at a guide on how the basics, so thats why i posted the other like for you bud.

[fabric86]

thanks, reading it right now...I will surely ask questions when I am done.

[fabric86]

how do you feel about www.fullcardreports.com? look at their track record in profit!

[fabric86]

drf.com is huge, I am having trouble finding info on specific horses. Where do you click?

[picantel]

On thoroughbred racing I do not use a program. I use the odds and the site I use with the video allows me to see some past race videos. Mostly I go by the odds. With harness racing, my favorite, I know about 50% of all horses by heart including their past performances, drivers, ect. However, 19 years of harness betting will get you some knowledge of horses. The best is to bet lite on meadowlands when they start racing again, watch the horses, and look for stuff like closers getting locked in, breakers off a win, trapped inside, ect. I write down their names and cream them the next week and win about 75% of those races. My problem is I am a gambler so instead of sitting on a few races I bet too many.

[fabric86]

Thanks Pic, but does anybody know what site I can find some info on individual horses?

[Senator7]

Daily Racing Form

Blood Horse

Thoroughbred Times

Most people just use the past performances to handicap a race. It has all the info a person could want. As far as needing more info than that, you may want to check out these three sites. Other than that, there's not much else out there.

Senator 7

[aje]

http://www.equibase.com/

[aje]

Fabric you can always check the track's website for analysis, probably not much better then flipping a coin. For example http://www.keeneland.com/liveracing/picks.asp

[mad]

I play a lot of ponies - not in the U.S though. Videos as suggested earlier are a must. I like to see it with my own eyes rather than trust the info on a formsheet. That way i can gauge which of the top rated chances is performing the best. Lotta hard work and long hours sometimes but worth it if you can snag a few winners = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[mad]

BTW How's all with you Senator - still going well i hope?

[jjgold]

http://www.tsnhorse.com/

[bigboydan]

hey coach, maybe you can teach fabric how to play the ponies. after all, he should learn from the best pro pony capper east of the mississippi.

[Senator7]

BTW How's all with you Senator - still going well i hope?

Things are going very well and thanks for asking. I told you that I won with Borrego in the Jockey Club Gold Cup. I followed that up with a win with Host in the Shadwell Turf Mile. I'm getting ready for the Breeder's Cup races. I'm liking Borrego and Rock Hard Ten in the Classic and I like Shakespeare in the Turf. I liked Powerscourt in the Turf and was surprised to see that he was retired a couple days ago.

Senator 7

[fabric86]

I play a lot of ponies - not in the U.S though. Videos as suggested earlier are a must. I like to see it with my own eyes rather than trust the info on a formsheet. That way i can gauge which of the top rated chances is performing the best. Lotta hard work and long hours sometimes but worth it if you can snag a few winners = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

What site do you get your videos?

[fabric86]

So you guys do recommend that I purchase past performance sheets? Thanks everybody

[jjgold]

Not many tracks give free video anymore and here is a link http://www.drf.com/racing_links/links_tracks.html for some tracks that do give free audio or video. Your best bet for free video is sign up with a USA horse book like youbet.com or brisbet.com and then you get all the free video you want.

Past Performances you can buy at DRF, Bris or TSN as they are all similar

[picantel]

For the heck of it I put a little money on flower power in the breeders cup at 20-1 future odds. The 3 faves have had a little trouble with this distance and who knows what will happen.

[mad]

Hi Fabric,
Past performance sheets are very useful and definitely worth considering. A little while ago i had a discussion with Senator7 about this very topic which can be found here:

http://forum.sbrforum.com/showthread.php?p=11565#post11565

Hope this helps.

[bigboydan]

Not many tracks give free video anymore

JJ, don't forget about TVG

[carparts1000]

read str posts and joeyp . these guys eat,sleep,and dream horses.

[Easy-Rider 66]

I use the sheets mainly

The sheets are expensive, but for the big races it's a great resource to have.