Hey pags good luck this year. Was looking at the SMU-Rice game, I love getting points in this game.
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hawk5,
thanks as always for your support...I wish you luck this year as well...yes, the SMU game took a bit of a twist with QB Willis being surplanted as the starter, but I still like SMU in this one...Comment -
Not just surplanted, but dropped to 3rd string! The guy had started 22 of the last 23, and has the school career record for TDs. Thats amazing to me.
But Jones is much more about having a 'system' QB than most coaches. I still like the pick quite a bit, especially now at +3.5.
Illinois line is moving, too. It might see +10 after all.
I am so ready for college football to start.Comment -
jimmythesaint,
sharp analysis bud...I agree on all points...BOL to you...Comment -
Thanks man, good to see you on my tigers. GL this yearComment -
jtuck,
thank you...I think they are a team that improved tremendously throughout 2008 and bring a lot of guys back...it should be a wild one vs. Ole Miss, but I think they have a shot...Comment -
Believe i heard on the radio Ole Piss lost two defensive line starters for the game.Comment -
that they did jtuck...Comment -
Pags sorry to bother you but are you still planning on releasing one more play and if so are you waiting for a line movement, or update on a player, or what. do you have any idea if and when you may post this last playComment -
onthewhat,
yes, I'm waiting on a line move in this game involving two fairly high profile teams...I will post the play as soon as I make it myself...thanks for your patience...Comment -
pags I was also looking at the SMU/Rice game. I wanna see how JJ's offense carries over to SMU not to sure how much points they can put up in there first game. JJ offense is all about timing and WR's running routes on how the D is playing them. But, I down with SMU on this game. I know JJ will have his team ready. GL this season pags. Hope to learn a thing or two from you this season. AlohaComment -
rossta,
thanks bud...it's good to have a guy like you on the board that wants to learn and also can keep us updated abou hawaii football...I think that June Jones is one of the top five coaches in the entire country and people continue to discount what he has accomplished...I too think his team comes out ready to play week one...best of luck to you this season...Comment -
Pags
I havent posted in your threads before because so many people do and it just clogs up the thread but you are one of the main reasons over the last 2 years I have visited this forum
Thanks for all your hard work and good luck this season.Your insight and hard work is much appreciated.
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jgm,
thank you for posting and thank you for saying that...it's good to know there are guys like you that appreciate my work...best of luck to you this season and best of luck with the hot tub girls!...Comment -
GL Pags11!Comment -
thank you white tiger...best of luck to you as well this season...Comment -
Good luck this year pags.Comment -
Pags, good stuff.
But I have to ask, June Jones in your top 5 college coaches?
Pete Carroll, Jim Tressel, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Mark Richt....which one of those coaches would you replace with June Jones?
I certainly respect what Jones has done, but I consider Jones to be very similar to John Jenkins when he was at Houston with Andre Ware. Wide open offense, but teams caught up with him. I think guys like Dan Hawkins who built up the Boise State program have done more than Jones has at Hawaii. But that is just me, and this is a good discussion.
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durito,
thank you bud...good to see you around...GL to you as well...
martin,
let me put it this way, with each of the five coaches whom you've mentioned, how do you think they would have faired the last 9-10 years at Hawaii? with zero facilities? zero recruiting budget? playing in an average conference?...Jones couldn't have done any worse than lose the last two national championship games...Meyer is the only coach that had tremendous success at the mid-major DI level (much like Jones did at Hawaii), whereas the others came from the NFL or were assistants at bigger DI programs...have you ever stayed up late at night and watched every play of a Hawaii game?...have you ever seen him make play calls that shred through Pac 10, Big 10, Big East and MWC opponents with above average athletes at best?...why is it that you think he finally said **** it and moved on to SMU?...because he was making chicken ala king out of chicken shit!...
Dan Hawkins?...are you serious?...the guy took over for Dirk Koetter for 4 years and he built the Boise program?...Koetter and Peterson have had just as much to do with the success of the program than Hawkins, not to mention Houston Nutt who was there before Koetter! Jones took a team that in 1998 went 0-12 and in his first year he got them to a bowl game. Who does that?!...have you ever heard of a June Jones' coached team being accused of recruiting violations or problems within the program? nope, whereas all five coaches that you mentioned have had problems...he does things the right way and continues to fly under the radar, and cash tickets for me...I'll take it...
I stand by my comment that Jones is one of the top 5 coaches in the country...Comment -
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Pags,
I can name a coach who has done more than Jones very easily with even fewer resources. See if you can name this coach.
He took over a program that went 0-10 the year before he arrived, in fact, they were 1-19 in the two season prior to his arrival.
Never had a single recruiting problem.
Has won just as many bowl games as June Jones
Operates with a recruiting budget and facilities...and stadium that is considerably smaller than what Jones had at Hawaii.
Paul Johnson is the answer. Johnson not only didn't have a recruiting budget, he didn't have scholarship football players at Navy. Yet, I can make a strong case for him doing more at Navy than Jones at Hawaii.
You also need a history lesson. Hawaii has been down this road before. In from 1990-92 they had a very good football team coached by Bob Wagner. In 1990 they finished with 9-10 wins, and blasted the BYU team led by Heisman winner Ty Detmer. In 1992 they finished the year with 11 wins and a Holiday Bowl win. They also beat Oregon, Pitt, and Illinois that year. Success at Hawaii has been achieved before.
Oh yeah, where is Bob Wagner these days? He is a high school athletic director on the big island....which is probably where June Jones will be when he washes out of SMU.
And just for the record, if you want more examples of guys who have built of struggling programs here ya go.
Greg Schiano. Terry Shea left Rutgers on a 4-20 streak. Schiano hasn't been too shabby as of late.
How about guys like Randy Edsall, Howard Schnellenberger? Guys who took 1-AA programs and have crossed over to 1-A, and done well. You don't think that is tougher than what Jones had to work with at Hawaii?
This idea that June Jones is a top 5 coach is silly.
Jones did a nice job at a small program, but let's not get carried away. Other coaches have done what he has done, some have done it better with even more restrictions that Jones had.
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Big D,
you are welcome bud...GL to you this season...
crazyl,
thanks man...
martin,
Paul Johnson is an excellent example of someone who did something similiar to Jones, and if you would have followed my picks on here the last 3 years you would have seen how often I bet on Navy and how often I called Paul Johnson one of the best coaches in the country...I would say one advantage that Johnson had at Navy was he had access to any and all Military personel who wanted any type of shot playing college football...while I understand many of these types of players are undersized, you still see several of Navy's players each year get a shot in the NFL (Reggie Campbell, Kyle Eckel to name a few), giving Johnson a distinct advantage in recruiting...also, I don't know the last time you actually saw the facilities at Navy, but they are pretty good...they don't have trash flying around on the field in the middle of the game like Hawaii does, nor do they have non-carpeted hallways in their office...Johnson also made significantly more than Jones and had a bigger recruiting budget...
what does Bob Wagner having one winning season have anything to do in comparison with June Jones?...your analysis baffles me...we are talking about a guy who has played college football, professional football, has been an head NFL coach and has had a track record of almost a decade of coaching winning teams in NCAA Division One football and you are talking to me about this Wagner guy?...c'mon, come to the table with more than this garbage...if you have a hard on for Jones, just say it...I only have one interest in mind, putting my money on teams who are coached extremely well, and every time I do that with a June Jones coached team I know I'm going to get a good effort from his club and he will put them in situations to succeed...
Greg Schiano didn't have instant success at Rutgers as Jones did at Hawaii...trust me, 'cause I used to take his team as huge dogs when they first entered the Big East and were terrible...were you also aware that the Big East almost kicked them out of the league about four years ago with Temple for being so terrible?...don't get me wrong, I like Schiano as a coach and he's done a good job, but do you know how many great athletes are in the New Jersey area alone to recruit? why do you think he turned down the Miami, FL job? Cause he knows all he has to do is built a fence around New Jersey and he will have a winning team every year...Rutgers also gets revenue sharing from the Big East and all of the money they generate through Bowl games, allowing him to have a huge recruiting budget in comparrison to what Jones had...again, not an accurate comparison to what Jones has done...
Randy Edsall is another one of my favorite coaches and has been to a total of two bowls thus far, which isn't bad, but they have yet to make it to a BCS game, in fact even getting to a game somewhere close to New Year's Day...have you seen the UConn facilities?...they have some of the best in the country with their indoor workout facility, weight room, coaches offices, etc. this all helps with recruiting!...not to mention they also play in the Big East and have a much bigger budget...close, but no cigar...
Schnellenberger has done well, at Miami, Oklahoma and Louisville, but these were programs that were already off the ground when he came in...your mention of what he has accomplished at FAU is worthy of consideration as they were a terrible program when he took over...they have been to a total of one bowl game thus far though and he has the luxury of recruiting a bunch of athletes from Florida! so what if FSU, Miami, Florida and USF get the high profile athletes from the state, there are still plenty of good athletes within the state to field a good team...try going out to Hawaii and recruiting the same caliber athlete and barely have the money to fly off the island when you want someone from the states... not nearly as easy...
you have yet to mention someone who has done more with less than Jones did at Hawaii...and it's you that needs the history lesson with your Dan Hawkins comment...did you even know that Dirk Koetter coached at Boise, or Houston Nutt for that matter?...apparently not, but just remember Boise St. was going to Bowl games and having winning seasons long before Hawkins took over...but you probably already knew that right?...yeah, I bet...
if you are going to come into my thread and pop off, you better have your facts straight...otherwise, you will get chewed up and spit out...do what rookies do and respect the veterans around here...
at least you are right about one thing, June Jones IS a coaching legend!...Comment -
xyz,
between my studying and watching tape I haven't had a chance to check out that contest...thanks for the info. though...Comment -
Good to see you back this season!, Im ready for next week....
all this talking about June Jones....going with SMU next week....
also thanks for your picks... GOOD LUCK this season
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masr,
thank you bud...good to have you back as well...best of luck to you this season...Comment -
Hey Martin, If you know everything, lets set up a capping contest for some dough... I'll lay you 2:1 pags vs you... Let me know we can set up the money with a sportsbook.Originally posted by MartinBlank
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Martin, chill man. Start your own football thread, post your picks, and if you can achieve a record like Pags has year after year, then you can talk. Until then, it's best just to stay off this thread.Comment -
Great to see you back Pags! I'm a big fan of your analysis.
Matrin, please go away.Comment -
uscfootball,
How would you know Pags has done it "year after year"....you weren't even on this forum last college football season sans the bowl games.
I am curious, how does one know so much about this forum without having posted here during the season?
But hey, you're another one easily confused by facts it would seem.Comment -
Guys,
It's OK to come in here and give your opinion on his picks, but don't get into long drawn out disagreements because it's not your thread, say your piece and that's enough. You wouldn't want someone coming in your thread ripping you up and down for your selections, anyone that continues to heckle will have their posts moved and a warning issued.
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crazyl,
thank you for taking care of this...I'll admit I'm usually not in the best of moods during college football season due to intense studying and lack of sleep and for that I apologize to you and SBR...
I do appreciate you policing my thread and advising posters on what is accepted and what isn't...again, thank you very much sir...Comment -
Hey Pags, if you dont mind me asking, how do you acquire so much college football film? Im a young capper and definitely want every tool possible to be able to cap my own games in the future. Any advice is greatly appreciate.Comment
