Pags' Plays 11/24

**durito** · 11-22-07, 02:53 PM

Pags, i hope you stick around. I enjoy checking your picks/writeups every week.

But, I understand. The reason I started posting on this forum versus most of the others was there wasn't so much crap to pass through, like "my $10,000 lock" in every other post. Instead there was just good info about the industry and some solid handicappers, like yourself and Jay Edgar for example.

Now there's just endless crap here, though I'm no so sure that is SBR's fault of what they can do about it. This is still the best place to come for info on books. Good luck.

oh, and for the record, the sbrlines archive doesn't pick up the actual opener more often than it does. I'm not sure what the issue is, but you can't trust it.

**imgv94** · 11-22-07, 03:37 PM

Very good post here from an underrated poster.

Originally posted by babaoriley

Good god man. If pags leaves, I'll be sorely disappointed. I don't have the rep around here that pags and IMGV have so my voice doesn't carry as much weight, but over the year or so that I've contributed to the board, I never thought that I'd see the board erode so quickly.

Mods, IT CAN STILL BE CHANGED. I like this board, but in all honesty, there are maybe 10-15 posters here that I even remotely respect, in terms of actual capping ability. Some of the newer peeps may come in and prove their worth, but for the most part, there are a lot of blowhards coming on here and spouting nonsense. Let's clean this up a little and retain valued cappers.

And finally, pags is right: those of you who play at reputable books should be able to get similar, if not the same, lines that pags gets. We all know when his plays are going up on SBR forums.

Pags, I hate to see you go but I completely understand your reasoning. A lot of money has been made by many players tailing you. In addition to my own plays, I almost always tail your plays (the only exceptions being when I'm just too damn late or when I simply disagree). When the lines go up, I usually see a couple lines that make me think "I bet pags is going to be on that one"... What I'm saying is that by watching you work, I know I've been able to refine my own early line analysis. Again, it would be a shame to see you leave as you are a true asset to the board.

I think you are utilizing pags the correct way. I don't like hearing people tail blindly. If you're using Money Mgmt it's good but a lot of people don't.

For example,

Lets say Pags goes 2-4 on early plays and has one play in a night game, a lot of guys will double their bet on the play to attempt to get even.

**Willie Bee** · 11-22-07, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by imgv94

Very good post here from an underrated poster.

Agree with you on that, Gabe. I enjoy reading what baba has to say, even if he is a damn Longhorn

**taurus** · 11-22-07, 04:01 PM

pags- I'm so sorry you've been bummed out. Totally undeserved. I echo the thoughts of many others who have so much respect for you and appreciate your selections to the extent that we will do a lot of coatailing. And successfully so.
It's a funny thing about the Internet. One can feel that a person is a real true friend , even though they've never met.
That's the way I feel about you. It is not difficult to spot a class individual. Best of luck, always.
taurus, a.k.a. bull

**babaoriley** · 11-22-07, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Willie Bee

Agree with you on that, Gabe. I enjoy reading what baba has to say, even if he is a damn Longhorn

Well shucks... I appreciate the sentiment from you gentlemen. I'll try to be more vocal on the board, since most of the recent additions probably think I'm a blowhard considering I haven't been posting too many plays... There are reasons, but most notably, I have a daughter that just became mobile and am finishing up my MBA, so there are the requisite 30 page papers/presentations going on right now. My bigger bets are all coming from "The League" as NCAAF lines are, for the most part, just too sharp right now and NFL seems to be much easier to read at the moment. I'm starting to get a pretty good grasp on pro hoops, but still trying to get a grasp on NCAABB. I'll put my money where my mouth is and resume posting my plays. I won't even begin to fill the void created by pags' departure, but hey, at least I'm not the shark.

P.S. Pags-Please reconsider. We need you pal.

**pags11** · 11-23-07, 03:14 AM

excellent thoughts here fellas...

thanks again to baba, imgv, taurus, durito and monkey...

I have to say as I was sweating out Central Florida +6.5 in college hoops tonight (an eventual loser by a point and a half), it was kind of nice thinking to myself that I wouldn't have to worry about a posted play I had and if it lost, whether or not the mods would get off there ass if someone came in and bashed me for making a good play that ultimately lost...

on a side note, I love that little guard for UCF, he's money...I know that this is the college football forum, but I just had to mention that...

my thoughts remain the same...once SBR cleans this place up and KEEPS it cleaned up I'll reconsider...until then, no way...

on another side note...this is the only forum I've ever been involved with where the moderators are more concerned with being everyone's friend and/ or showing everyone they are a good capper, rather than actually doing their jobs...I find it interesting...

**Bigcrank23** · 11-23-07, 07:21 AM

Pags, Your insight and weekly picks will be greatly missed. I started following you last year in Col. B-ball and must say you are good at what you do. I learned alot reading your write ups and watching how you manage your money(which I sucked at before) and if you dont come back I just wanted to say thanks. I have been doing alot better this year (not just coat tailing your plays) because of all the info you give. If you decide to go to another forum let me know, I will follow. Maybe its time for you to start your own forum

Either way thanks and good luck the rest of the year

**pags11** · 11-23-07, 02:37 PM

thanks very much big crank...

**r2d2** · 11-23-07, 05:27 PM

pags. just wanted to echo the rest of the sentiments in this thread. you will be missed. ALOT. your insight, time, and dedication is second to none. i have learned a bunch from you, and hope a few random a holes don't ruin next year if you decide to come back. i will buy you a beer or six if you ever come by louisville ky. it would be a pleasure to talk with such a great sports mind such as yourself.

cheers to you and yours this holiday season coach!

**nevadaside** · 11-23-07, 08:13 PM

Just read thru this "tiring" crap, definitely what a F@$#ing joke this forum has become with all these "pollution" threads posted by F$#^nut idiots just rambling "L" this & "Giant play" that.

Don't have time to sift thru it anymore either. Used to like the small group of professionals here....& they know who they are...without all the crap posts.
This forum's "value" without pag's regular winning playz takes a huge hit.

Can only hope these "shark & greek" & other F%$^nuts like him get bored & go outside to play at some point down the line.

Here's to the "professional" guys I alwayz look for:
pags, imgv, rjt721, BB, wassy, P2M, baba, stump, gummo, bigcrank & a couple others.

**pokernut9999** · 11-24-07, 10:41 PM

good job this week 2-1

**pags11** · 11-25-07, 03:03 AM

r2d2 and nevadaside,

your comments are very much appreciated...

pokernut,

thanks for mentioning that...I'll take a winning week on my final week posting for the year...thanks bud...

**pags11** · 11-25-07, 03:07 AM

2-1 w/l, +.5 units on the week...

50-35-5 w/l, +35.5 units on the season...

**ChuteBoxe** · 11-25-07, 06:25 AM

followed your picks, didn't follow the units, just did my own thing, but i picked up $1000 today, thanks pags!

**pavyracer** · 11-25-07, 10:18 AM

Good job pags. Liked and played all picks.

**White_Tiger** · 11-25-07, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by pags11

2-1 w/l, +.5 units on the week...

50-35-5 w/l, +35.5 units on the season...

Sorry Pags I follow your pick this week but instead I won .5 I do won 2units since I bet 2 units each.

Thanks Again for the pick.

WT.

**pags11** · 11-25-07, 06:54 PM

chute, pavy and white tiger,

thanks very much...glad you guys were able to make some money this weekend...

**IWishIWasRich** · 11-26-07, 06:00 PM

Pags, I would take 2-1 forever. How do you see Oklahoma and Mizzou? I will be watching for your opinion. Thank you.

**mark wahlberg** · 11-26-07, 07:07 PM

pags can u respond to my thread pleeease

**pags11** · 11-26-07, 11:30 PM

mark,

I just posted in the other thread...I will not post picks publicly, but it sucks I can't message you my opinion, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE PRIVATE MESSAGING ANYMORE!!!

dan, who was it? I know you don't have the backbone to do it...was it Willie Bee, Sean, Bill?...this is complete ****ing bullshit, what a way to treat a poster who helps SBR bring in the backon...

**bigboydan** · 11-26-07, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by pags11

dan, who was it? I know you don't have the backbone to do it...was it Willie Bee, Sean, Bill?...this is complete ****ing bullshit, what a way to treat a poster who helps SBR bring in the backon...

Pags,

I really don't know who did it. That sorta stuff is highly confidential, and us moderators have don't know at all when it comes to matters of this type of nature. I suggest you take that matter up with management.

**pavyracer** · 11-27-07, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

Pags,

I really don't know who did it. That sorta stuff is highly confidential, and us moderators have don't know at all when it comes to matters of this type of nature. I suggest you take that matter up with management.

Highly confidential? Is this the CIA? He is not a terrorist. He is a handicapper!

**pags11** · 11-27-07, 12:10 AM

dan,

I have to agree with pavyracer here...this is extremely bush league on SBR's part...other than being completely straight forward with everyone, what have I done to not be able to private message?...

**bigboydan** · 11-27-07, 12:14 AM

Originally posted by pags11

dan,

I have to agree with pavyracer here...this is extremely bush league on SBR's part...other than being completely straight forward with everyone, what have I done to not be able to private message?...

Like I said above pags. I don't know what the root of the problem is in regards to your loss of the PM feature. My advice would be to take it up with management.

**pags11** · 11-27-07, 12:19 AM

dan,

while I appreciate your advice, why should I take something up with them when they didn't communicate with me in the first place that they were taking them away?...

**bigboydan** · 11-27-07, 12:23 AM

Pags, I have no control over this matter. Thats just a question you just have to ask them.

**Wassymac** · 11-27-07, 12:28 AM

It's crazy this is going on and I hope things get worked out. Pags, you're one of two folks I blindly trust when I decide to be lazy or don't have the time to cap on my own. Hope your CBB plays are going well and good luck with the upcoming bowls. I wish you the best.

CFB Bowl Tip - Fade the snot out of Purdue if a bowl is dumb enough to take them

**pags11** · 11-27-07, 12:31 AM

thanks very much wassymac, that means a lot...keep up the good capping bro...

**tblues2005** · 11-27-07, 02:21 AM

pags I hope you get it worked out with them and stick around for us, you have been a good person, keep up the good job, I know you have had a decent season, I want to see you stick around.

**pags11** · 11-27-07, 05:13 AM

tblues,

thank you again...only time will tell regarding me posting my picks again, but I'll still be around the forums in a limited capacity (not offering any opinions on games)...

**bmac** · 11-27-07, 05:26 PM

Pags, is there another forum with less bull shit where cappers can actually have an intelligent conversation?

**imgv94** · 11-27-07, 05:29 PM

Yeah, I know of a forum that is waaay more popular than SBR that would gladly accept pags plays. I spoke with the head mod there just the other day and he told me that he would gladly ban or put anyone on post review who bashed him.

Forum also has mods on there 24/7. bmac you're a good kid who always brings good vibes.

**bmac** · 11-27-07, 05:31 PM

Let me know where and i'm there.

**pags11** · 11-27-07, 06:14 PM

imgv and bmac,

why I appreciate the gesture, for the time being I will remain here and not post my picks anywhere else...I will give SBR time to really think about how they run (or don't) things...changes need to be made, maybe some new mods need to be hired (or fired)...only time will tell...

**imgv94** · 11-27-07, 06:19 PM

I completely understand pags. Just letting you know you have options.