Anyone on Marquardt?

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 07-12-12, 11:42 AM

I share the same sentiments. I have 4U on Marquardt right now at -110. There are a lot of question marks surrounding Nate for this fight that are making me hesitate on pulling the trigger on a big-time play but T-Wood's highly questionable cardio & inactivity in top control over a 5 round fight makes me believe that Marquardt will more than likely finish him or, at worst, win the later rounds.

**NunyaBidness** · 07-12-12, 12:02 PM

Outside of Sonnen, I don't recall Marquardt losing to any superior wrestlers due to their wrestling. IIRC, Okami beat him with his length and footwork. Leites beat Marquardt by using his signature fall on his head technique. Dan Miller is probably a superior wrestler to Marquardt, but he had no trouble there.

**v1y** · 07-12-12, 07:33 PM

wait... why would you question woodley's wrestling based on the tarec fight? tarec is a strong wrestler, and he showed it against stinson.

if anything, tyron's gassing out against daley would be the reason to discount him.

**JerseyRobby** · 07-12-12, 08:30 PM

Marquardt is also coming off a long lay off which really only adds to the unpredictability of his performance. Combine that with these other factors have me laying off this one.

1. He used TRT in the past. Will he be able to use it for this fight after the UFC gave him the boot for breaking state commission rules last fight.
2. This is his first fight at 170.
3. Over a year long layoff.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 07-12-12, 09:51 PM

NP for me, but hoping Mark Wart puts that wet blanket Woodley to sleep with Weidmanesque viciousness so we can all hear Woodley's mom (she's the lady that plays Madea in those movies I think) scream in sheer terror.

**The Bet Master** · 07-12-12, 10:46 PM

Marquardt has to be the play. I don't think Woodley and his lay and pray will hold up in a 5 round fight, especially with how he looked like with Daley near the end. I have a strong feeling Marquardt will finish him.

**TheCalculator** · 07-12-12, 11:03 PM

The weigh-in will be the BIG REVEAL.

**Luca Fury** · 07-13-12, 12:01 AM

I want to go big on Nate but I also ant to pass. If he fought 3 months ago, was still on TRT, and had fought at 170 recently, I'd be all over him. But there are so many red flags telling me to pass.

How will the 16 month layoff affect him?

He needs TRT, but isn't using it now -- how will that affect him?

He was a very solid middleweight in terms of size and is now cutting got welterweight for the first time in a LONG time -- how will this affect him?

Any three of those things could mess Nat cup badly here, but the syle matchup over 5 rounds is so good for him. All he needs to do is win one of the first three rounds and then he's basically him free. Tyron gasses so badly, no way he wins rounds 4 or 5 vs Nate. Marquardt can also hit him with a big knee on the way in or lock in a guillotine and finish early on.

But man, those red flags...

Ultimately, I can't pass up Marquardt at around even money, but I still can't really commit to him. So, it's just a small play for me. If Nate looks good at the weigh ins, I might lay a little more on him.

**PSUMike** · 07-14-12, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Outside of Sonnen, I don't recall Marquardt losing to any superior wrestlers due to their wrestling. IIRC, Okami beat him with his length and footwork. Leites beat Marquardt by using his signature fall on his head technique. Dan Miller is probably a superior wrestler to Marquardt, but he had no trouble there.

For some reason, in my mind, I thought it was more Okami's wrestling that won him the fight. The Leites fight was an all around tragedy.

Originally posted by v1y

wait... why would you question woodley's wrestling based on the tarec fight? tarec is a strong wrestler, and he showed it against stinson.

if anything, tyron's gassing out against daley would be the reason to discount him.

Yes he's a good wrestler. But if Woodley is supposed to be a wrestling dynamo, it should have been more impressive. As a point of comparison, think of Jeff Joslin's fights with Jon Fitch and Josh Koscheck. Joslin is a pretty decent wrestler for a non-wrestler. He stuffed Fitch but Kos tossed him around the cage like you would expect a stud wrestler to do. He's simply not living up to his considerable hype and there are too many weaknesses for me to be confident in him beating a seasoned vet like Nate.

**zoo youk** · 07-14-12, 10:52 AM

so how did Nate look at weigh ins??

**PSUMike** · 07-14-12, 10:55 AM

Looked to me like he lost some muscle mass which I am not happy about.

**darko3131** · 07-14-12, 11:00 AM

I'm on Marquardt but I have a feeling it's the wrong side now. I was also on Daley, just hoping someone can beat the wet blanket. Nate not looking too hot at the weigh in.

**spargament** · 07-14-12, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by PSUMike

Looked to me like he lost some muscle mass which I am not happy about.

SOME muscle mass?? Jesus christ, he looks like Donnie Wahlberg in the sixth sense.

T-Wood.

**JAKEPEAVY21** · 07-14-12, 11:13 AM

on it...not huge but locked Nate in at -125 a few days ago..

**bogbat** · 07-14-12, 02:03 PM

Of coarse he lost some muscle mass to make 170. He was a huge 185er... He looks really pale which also adds to the effect of him looking a bit soft. Hopefully he hasn't lost too much strength.

**Sykes** · 07-14-12, 02:08 PM

If he loses this he will never get back in the UFC. I think he wins one way or another, surely the toughest fight to date for Woodley.

**blumpkin** · 07-14-12, 02:28 PM

Woodley at some point will gas, especially in a 5 rounder. I like nate to catch woodley at some point in the fight.

**JerseyRobby** · 07-14-12, 03:17 PM

I think black fitch wins a close maybe even contraversial decision. Not betting on it but I definitely will be rooting for Marquardt.

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 07-14-12, 11:27 PM

Another profitable night, thanks in part to Marquardt.

Marquardt at -110 was a gift. I understand not going huge here with the question marks surrounding Nate but that fight was a lot closer to -200 or more for Marquardt. Woodley was outwrestled, outstruck, outclinched and just outclassed.

**TheCalculator** · 07-14-12, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Wanna Bet On It?

Another profitable night, thanks in part to Marquardt.

Marquardt at -110 was a gift. I understand not going huge here with the question marks surrounding Nate but that fight was a lot closer to -200 or more for Marquardt. Woodley was outwrestled, outstruck, outclinched and just outclassed.

I agree. That being said -- it's often better to play it safe (small) when doubt creeps in.

**Luca Fury** · 07-15-12, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Luca Fury

I want to go big on Nate but I also ant to pass. If he fought 3 months ago, was still on TRT, and had fought at 170 recently, I'd be all over him. But there are so many red flags telling me to pass.

How will the 16 month layoff affect him?

He needs TRT, but isn't using it now -- how will that affect him?

He was a very solid middleweight in terms of size and is now cutting got welterweight for the first time in a LONG time -- how will this affect him?

Any three of those things could mess Nat cup badly here, but the syle matchup over 5 rounds is so good for him. All he needs to do is win one of the first three rounds and then he's basically him free. Tyron gasses so badly, no way he wins rounds 4 or 5 vs Nate. Marquardt can also hit him with a big knee on the way in or lock in a guillotine and finish early on.

But man, those red flags...

Ultimately, I can't pass up Marquardt at around even money, but I still can't really commit to him. So, it's just a small play for me. If Nate looks good at the weigh ins, I might lay a little more on him.

Damn. Sometimes the red flags are right, other times they're wrong. The issues didn't seem to affect Nate at all. I really wanted to go big on him, but just couldn't because of the warning signs.

Hey, a win is a win, so I'm happy. But it sucks I only bet him small.