UFC 147 (June 23, 2012)

[Vitooch]

Idk gabe, I may just end up playing Franklin ITD and just forget this whole clusterfuck. I initially thought Franklin straight up, but after seeing that +340, I felt the need to take it. I regret it now, but these are all small plays

[Rubber Guard]

Wandy +150

[RMS]

Gotta go with Werdum, he's much better than Russow anywhere the fight goes.

[gabe]

Off topic, but I think Brendan Schaub needs to be at 205. Dude ain't gonna make it as a HW.

[Vaughany]

Off topic, but I think Brendan Schaub needs to be at 205. Dude ain't gonna make it as a HW.

Would be a verrrry difficult cut I'd imagine. And he'd lose his speed advantage that he has at HW....moving to LHW isnt going to stop him from getting punched on the chin and his questionable chin/ability to take punishment...he needs to improve his stand-up defence more than anything

[TheCalculator]

Would be a verrrry difficult cut I'd imagine. And he'd lose his speed advantage that he has at HW....moving to LHW isnt going to stop him from getting punched on the chin and his questionable chin/ability to take punishment...he needs to improve his stand-up defence more than anything

The guy's carrying 40-50 lbs of fat. He could easily drop 20 lbs of extra lard. And then cut 10-15.

[Vaughany]

The guy's carrying 40-50 lbs of fat. He could easily drop 20 lbs of extra lard. And then cut 10-15.

Maybe, but it's things like leg weight that are the issue...not easy to jus lose weight from your lower body, similar to why Pat Barry is in an awkward position...dude has huuuuge quads

[Rubber Guard]

Maybe, but it's things like leg weight that are the issue...not easy to jus lose weight from your lower body, similar to why Pat Barry is in an awkward position...dude has huuuuge quads

Agreed. Schaub is what? 6'4? Bones Jones is as well and is no where near as meaty as Schaub. Bones shouldn't even be able to make 205 but his legs are so small that he is able to cut the water and barely get there.

It isn't a good career move for Schaub and I doubt he could do it within reason.

[everythingred]

Maybe this will help some people get some additional insight.

[everythingred]

From watching Werdum vs. Russow and from knowing the history, Werdum is once again focused on a fight with Junior Dos Santos and is disregarding Russow. It would appear as if he is doing the same thing he did when Dos Santos just entered the UFC. Wouldn't be completely surprised if there was an upset over the decisive favorite, Werdum.

Watching Franklin's last fight with Wanderlei, Wand had Rich shook and now that he is fighting at home could make this a night he wants to remember. The only thing stopping him is his chin. Rich knocked out the aging Chuck Lidell and could do the same thing here to an aging Wanderlei. The only thing stopping him is his long lay off which creates doubt over his cardio and ring rust, things that Wanderlei likes to exploit.

The way the odds are set up for this event, I think some people can win some serious cash. I'm excited.

[more_betterness]

From watching Werdum vs. Russow and from knowing the history, Werdum is once again focused on a fight with Junior Dos Santos and is disregarding Russow. It would appear as if he is doing the same thing he did when Dos Santos just entered the UFC. Wouldn't be completely surprised if there was an upset over the decisive favorite, Werdum.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/29248/ufc-147s-werdum-cites-dos-santos-mistake-for-russow-focus-eyes-tuf-gig-rematch.mma

[everythingred]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/29248/ufc-...ig-rematch.mma

Those are just words. When I'm reading this, it's just Dos Santos, Dos Santos, Cigano, Dos Santos.

No doubt, Werdum is a fantastic fighter, but I won't be surprised if he gets upset.

[more_betterness]

Fair enough... While I understand your point Russow has no where close to the tools that Dos Santos had against Werdum to engineer an upset. That being said I won't be laying -500 on pretty much anyone in a heavyweight fight.

[TheCalculator]

Maybe, but it's things like leg weight that are the issue...not easy to jus lose weight from your lower body, similar to why Pat Barry is in an awkward position...dude has huuuuge quads

When people lose weight (not cutting weight) - it's always a combination of fat and muscle (unless the person is using anabolics). If Brendan starting running long distance he would lose some muscle mass along with the fat and make weight - no problem. A few years ago, I went from 235 to 174 in 14 weeks (crazy mistake).

All that being said -- I doubt he's going anywhere.

[gabe]

I think Russow has a legitimate chance of grinding out a decision... though, he could get robbed, even if he does do just that.

[Crassus]

When people lose weight (not cutting weight) - it's always a combination of fat and muscle (unless the person is using anabolics). If Brendan starting running long distance he would lose some muscle mass along with the fat and make weight - no problem. A few years ago, I went from 235 to 174 in 14 weeks (crazy mistake).

All that being said -- I doubt he's going anywhere.

Schaub couldn't make LHW and remain an elite athlete. No way. Not to mention he's at HW because he's got good power and better speed, he just needs to work D and he'll be a very solid middle-man/fringe top 10'er.

[MMAbetMASTA]

I think Russow has a legitimate chance of grinding out a decision... though, he could get robbed, even if he does do just that.

Agree...and agree with people questioning werdum and especially his overvalued line... Werdum is clear fav, but I wouldn't put him above -250, tops... Therefore I see great value on russow at +400 range and I'll put a small sprinkle on it out of value...

[everythingred]

Fair enough... While I understand your point Russow has no where close to the tools that Dos Santos had against Werdum to engineer an upset. That being said I won't be laying -500 on pretty much anyone in a heavyweight fight.

Yea with those odds it makes it an easier decision to lay a bit on Russow if you have money to throw around. It would be cool to see a rematch of Werdum and Dos Santos though because we still haven't seen Junior on the ground. This guy is a monster.

[omalley21]

Werdum is going to finish russow decisively.

[MMAbetMASTA]

Werdum is going to finish russow decisively.

probably and he should... but I can't justify that line, that is ridiculous imo and wouldn't be surprised to see parlays get busted....

[illmatick]

Liking Bezerra tonight. He should be fine as long as he doesn't get subbed early on.

Hugo Viana under -200 probably worth a small play as well.

[PunisherIND]

Liking Bezerra tonight. He should be fine as long as he doesn't get subbed early on.

Hugo Viana under -200 probably worth a small play as well.

i like bezerra too. -260 at 5D right now.

alcantara/dias goes the distance @ -160 looks good also.

[omalley21]

How can russow win? I just cant see it. Location is huge. Hioki looked way better in Japan then he has in the US. The brazilian home advantage is even more pronounced.

[PunisherIND]

How can russow win? I just cant see it. Location is huge. Hioki looked way better in Japan then he has in the US. The brazilian home advantage is even more pronounced.

yes, but hioki had more to do with the travel and getting adjusted to time difference. not really the u.s. crowd imo.

[gabe]

How can russow win? I just cant see it. Location is huge. Hioki looked way better in Japan then he has in the US. The brazilian home advantage is even more pronounced.

By connecting with Werdum's chin and clean-droppin' him, or grinding it out while avoiding subs.

Could totally see Russow winning... only thing scary is if he takes a decision but judges give it to Werdum.

[Imsmarterthanu]

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[Imsmarterthanu]

By connecting with Werdum's chin and clean-droppin' him, or grinding it out while avoiding subs.

Could totally see Russow winning... only thing scary is if he takes a decision but judges give it to Werdum.

LOL at Russow droppiing Werdum, Werdum has one of the best chins in MMA

Werdum is gonna beat the shit out of Russow and gullotine his ass

[Vaughany]

Shows some of post Guida/Maynard argument backstage...

[gabe]

lol someone called guida a fa99ot

[Imsmarterthanu]

[Vaughany]

lol someone called guida a fa99ot

ha Jason Guida the world's biggest bum gettin involved! Both of them are clowns

Ramsay Nijem and Swanson were pretty funny! Looks like Ebersole is gonna go ahead with cutting to 155

[Vitooch]

Hedged Werdum inside the distance at -127 with Russow wins by decision at +700

[Sykes]

Off topic, but I think Brendan Schaub needs to be at 205. Dude ain't gonna make it as a HW.

Man has no chin, he is just a journey person there, id like to see Struve try make the cut he would give Jones a fight. Related to weight cuts I think Evens should try do 185 he would be a beast there.

[Vaughany]

Man has no chin, he is just a journey person there, id like to see Struve try make the cut he would give Jones a fight. Related to weight cuts I think Evens should try do 185 he would be a beast there.

No way tht Struve gets close to 205! Dude is a full 260 now..he's worked on thickening up over past year or two so even if he could get there he wouldnt want to. Evans tho could make 185...jus looking at him sat next to Munoz last night you wouldnt think that Rashad fights at a higher weight

[5mike5]

u guys think franklin gets beat tonight in the main event?