Kamal Shalorus +200 Best bet

**fosho14** · 05-14-12, 01:03 AM

I was gonna make a post advising the exact opposite play lol. Shalorus is simply awful and I think he's old and his career is finished (well it never really started, come to think of it). GL to you though man, gonna need it!

**Imsmarterthanu** · 05-14-12, 01:19 AM

Yea well you're underestimating Shalorus his last 2 fights were against Jim Miller and Khabib Nurmagomedov 2 grinders with submission backgrounds, in this fight you'll see Shalorus using his wrestling and I wouldn't be surprised if he hurts dos anjos with some punches, he has heavy hands and dos anjos doesn't have the best chin nor the ko power to put Shalorus down. If Shalorus goes back to his bread and butter he will win, if he decides to play a technical striking match with dos anjos then he will lose on points.

Guess we'll see

**Mercersux** · 05-14-12, 01:52 AM

For the price, definitely could be worth a shot on shalorus. Dos Anjos has had real trouble with strong wrestlers. Although Shalorus did kind of disappoint in his last fight.

**fosho14** · 05-14-12, 01:58 AM

Ya I suppose stranger things have happened. I definitely wouldn't count on shalorus using his bread and butter though. Even when he is getting badly outstruck by strikers who he is well aware of have no wrestling he has shown very poor fight IQ and isn't smart enough to utilize his allegedly decorated wrestling ability. But I seriously question these amazing wrestling skills that the media likes to hype him up on. Just because someone had good wrestling credentials in college does not mean it will translate smoothly to mma and vice versa. Shalorus has always struck me as one of those fighters who simply could not develop a sense of mma wrestling, level changing or transitions, and if he is this elite wrestler like some ppl believe then he is undoubtedly hands down the stupidest fighter in the history of the ufc fight IQ wise (I'm going with the former though). I think he will get beat and rather handily at that. Lets see if he proves me wrong.

**Libert1ne** · 05-14-12, 02:00 AM

As much as I think Imsmarterthanu is a waste of air on this forum I think people are overlooking Shalorus in this fight.

If he loses this, he's going to get cut from the UFC. Dos Anjos is prone to being wrestle-****** and I can see Shalorus doing it. at +200 it's worth a stab.

**gabe** · 05-14-12, 02:34 AM

Nurmagomedov is not a grinder. Wouldn't call Jim Miller one, either. Neither of those guys grinded out Shalorus. They simply outclassed him. It will be more of the same with Dos Anjos. Shalorus will be outclassed on the feet for a couple rounds, then put away in the third. His conditioning is terrible.

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 05-14-12, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Nurmagomedov is not a grinder. Wouldn't call Jim Miller one, either. Neither of those guys grinded out Shalorus. They simply outclassed him. It will be more of the same with Dos Anjos. Shalorus will be outclassed on the feet for a couple rounds, then put away in the third. His conditioning is terrible.

Completely agree Gabe (except I do think Jim Miller is a grinder of sorts but, yes, he didn't grind Shalorus out, he simply outclassed him).

Kamal is old, has terrible conditioning, is extremely hittable, doesn't stick to a wrestlef*cking gameplan and RDA won't be able to be wrestlef*cked since his BJJ is way too threatening (unlike the superior sub defence of Tibau, Griffin and Guida). He has a wild puncher's chance and that's about it. I give a 10% chance he wins by KO and 10% he steals a controversial decision like his win vs Bart. The smart play is RDA.

**sirchadwick1** · 05-14-12, 07:01 AM

My advice on this fight is to just stay away. Shalorus has underwhelmed over and over... and RDA can be taken down here.
I don't like the value enough on either guy... but if I had to take a side at the current lines it would be Kamal.

**blumpkin** · 05-14-12, 07:12 AM

When has Kamal actually taken anybody down and tried to grind it out over a fight?

**JOSHKROTCHNECK** · 05-14-12, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

My advice on this fight is to just stay away. Shalorus has underwhelmed over and over... and RDA can be taken down here.
I don't like the value enough on either guy... but if I had to take a side at the current lines it would be Kamal.

Ye no play looks like the best advice. I dont get why people say "worth a stab at that price". Your just going to piss money away with that kind of mentality. Pick the guy you think is going to win. Don't try convince yourself the other guy has a chance because he has a good price. I've done that before and it almost always leads to failure.

**helpplease** · 05-14-12, 09:54 AM

best bet on this card is Dustin Prorier straight up and a TJ grant and Tom Lawlor parlay

won't be betting on this card though personally .. saving all my $ for an event in June which I'll be betting $20,000 in total .. on 2 picks that I will put both my testicles on the line that will hit .. and not only that I am expecting amazing odds on those picks due to various factors

**helpplease** · 05-14-12, 09:57 AM

P.S : do not bet on this fight .. It's a iffy fight lol

**bjpenn85** · 05-14-12, 10:02 AM

Bart P.

**Crassus** · 05-14-12, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Nurmagomedov is not a grinder. Wouldn't call Jim Miller one, either. Neither of those guys grinded out Shalorus. They simply outclassed him. It will be more of the same with Dos Anjos. Shalorus will be outclassed on the feet for a couple rounds, then put away in the third. His conditioning is terrible.

Yeah but Dos Anjos isn't on their level either. If Dos Anjos fought either Nurmagomedov or Jim Miller he'd look just as outclassed. The odds on this fight aren't great at all. As such I've made a small play on Shalorus, seeing as it's really a pick 'em fight and at 2:1 he's the more appealing.

**sirchadwick1** · 05-14-12, 11:56 AM

Ok Shalorus is now +240 on 5d.... may be worth it at that.

**Jesus Christ** · 05-14-12, 01:14 PM

Not only is Nurmagomedov not a grinder he's not even close to one...the punch that ruined Shalorus in their fight was a looping punch that hit him from clear across the cage. Something that has Dos Anjos written all over it.

As for Dos Anjos struggles with wrestlers I don't see it he fared really well against Guida in that department and as for the Tyson Griffin loss...Shalorus isn't going to be able to keep up the kind of pace that Griffin was capable of so I pretty much throw that out as well.

Shalorus can win this fight...Dos Anjos tends to get into brawls when he doesn't really have to and Kamal has real power so it's not out of the question that Dos Anjos gets clipped and finished. I just think if he goes in wrestling he's exhausted in about 4 minutes and gets dominated and finished shortly after.

I say Dos Anjos wins by tko late second but that's just my opinion and I won't bet betting it cause I don't lay that much juice as it isn't my style but GL with your wagers...just putting in my three cents.

**Mercersux** · 05-14-12, 01:20 PM

Yeah surprised to see how much the Sholarus line jumped from last night. Id say definitely worth at least a small play at this price.

**fosho14** · 05-14-12, 02:03 PM

Definitely a do not bet fight. I'm 80% sure dos anjos will win, but there's not very much value.

**NunyaBidness** · 05-14-12, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

Definitely a do not bet fight. I'm 80% sure dos anjos will win, but there's not very much value.

I'm not sure if If someone could find a way to more clearly state that they don't understand gambling.

Throwing away 8% edges, when people are breaking their necks to find 1% in MLB.

**Kaladarus** · 05-14-12, 05:55 PM

Shalarus sucks and is reaching the end of his career. Dos Anjos is getting better with each fight. If Shalorus gets this to the ground Dos Anjos will get back up. Dos Anjos should be able to out class Shalorus every where just like his previous opponents and take the easy win.

This is just another one of those fights where Gabe's breakdown is going to be spot on.

**Imsmarterthanu** · 05-14-12, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Kaladarus

Shalarus sucks and is reaching the end of his career. Dos Anjos is getting better with each fight. If Shalorus gets this to the ground Dos Anjos will get back up. Dos Anjos should be able to out class Shalorus every where just like his previous opponents and take the easy win.

This is just another one of those fights where Gabe's breakdown is going to be spot on.

k thanks

just bet the house on Dos Anjos

**Kaladarus** · 05-14-12, 06:02 PM

House is already on it. Going to pawn my cattle and my farm as well and live off the land after this fight.

**Imsmarterthanu** · 05-14-12, 06:03 PM

lulz

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-14-12, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Kaladarus

Shalarus sucks and is reaching the end of his career. Dos Anjos is getting better with each fight. If Shalorus gets this to the ground Dos Anjos will get back up. Dos Anjos should be able to out class Shalorus every where just like his previous opponents and take the easy win.

This is just another one of those fights where Gabe's breakdown is going to be spot on.

Gotta agree with this and the arguments for rda backers... He WILL get back up, indeed. Outside of griffin, I can't remember him being kept down when taken down (and in griffin match I don't even think he spent much time there, he always sticks up the omaplata to reverse / scare away his opponent to allow him up. Furthermore, guida is 10x the mma wrestler that prince is and rda was outwrestling guida. He took guida down if I recall and was winning up until the unfortunate submission injury. Griffin is really the only wrestler that gave rda problems, and that was still a fairly competitive fight and long ago. Like you said, he's ever improving. I went against him in tibau fight, but he really impressed and that was damn close.. Rda has solid take downs, if the ruskie could take prince down I think rda has a chance. And on the feet I think he is way too quick, technical and diverse to be threatened by kamal. Kamal gets tagged in every fight and I think this one will be no different. Like gabe and kaladurs said, I think rda is better everywhere, therefore I'll prob be paying the pricey juice and might take him str8 up. Odds aside, rda arguably the easiest winner to pick on the card, or at least for me its the match that I feel I can call with most confidence. Those that got the opener odds are stoked, he's -280 now on my book!!!

Either way GL to all on this one, seems like we're all pretty torn on it so its gonna be interesting!!

**Imsmarterthanu** · 05-14-12, 06:52 PM

^ who's ass is that in your avatar ?

Did you sneak a peak of your sister ?

**Educ8d Degener8** · 05-14-12, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by blumpkin

When has Kamal actually taken anybody down and tried to grind it out over a fight?

Bartimus Maximus. (As Penn pointed out)

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-14-12, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

^ who's ass is that in your avatar ?

Did you sneak a peak of your sister ?

no sorry, just some random bird from the net, no idea who's great bodanka that is....

Buttttt, how much money you got and how bad you wanna see my sis???

**DeFactoCrippler** · 05-14-12, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

But I seriously question these amazing wrestling skills that the media likes to hype him up on. Just because someone had good wrestling credentials in college does not mean it will translate smoothly to mma and vice versa. Shalorus has always struck me as one of those fighters who simply could not develop a sense of mma wrestling, level changing or transitions, and if he is this elite wrestler like some ppl believe then he is undoubtedly hands down the stupidest fighter in the history of the ufc fight IQ wise (I'm going with the former though). I think he will get beat and rather handily at that. Lets see if he proves me wrong.

I can personally vouch for Kamal's wrestling because I wrestled him him at Vassar where we were also room mates. Believe me, it is every bit as magnificent as the MMA media makes it out to be, and possibly even more. It is only when you have donned a skin tight singlet and pressed your sweaty body against his can you truly tell the "measure of a man".

**Imsmarterthanu** · 05-14-12, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by MMAbetMASTA

no sorry, just some random bird from the net, no idea who's great bodanka that is....

Buttttt, how much money you got and how bad you wanna see my sis???

I have like 50 bucks bro i'll give you 50 if you let me sniff your sisters ass for 90 seconds that's if she's as hot as your avatar

**MMAbetMASTA** · 05-14-12, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

I have like 50 bucks bro i'll give you 50 if you let me sniff your sisters ass for 90 seconds that's if she's as hot as your avatar

let me see what I can work out, player.

**fosho14** · 05-15-12, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by DeFactoCrippler

I can personally vouch for Kamal's wrestling because I wrestled him him at Vassar where we were also room mates. Believe me, it is every bit as magnificent as the MMA media makes it out to be, and possibly even more. It is only when you have donned a skin tight singlet and pressed your sweaty body against his can you truly tell the "measure of a man".

Dude go get a hobby, why would you write that? nobody thinks it's funny.... except maybe other losers who enjoy bad jokes.

**getlucky2win** · 05-15-12, 05:30 PM

lmao

**helpplease** · 05-15-12, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by fosho14

Dude go get a hobby, why would you write that? nobody thinks it's funny.... except maybe other losers who enjoy bad jokes.

I really think that dude is mentally ill .. somethings not right with him lol

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 05-15-12, 05:31 PM

BAHAHAHAHA.

Lock it up brah!