Strikeforce: Tate vs. Rousey

[NunyaBidness]

Do you know if line movement is automated, or somebody pushing buttons.

Probably the latter. Bookmakers lines don't move quick like 5dimes do. Every week I make several max bets on openers, and only maybe one of them will move within the next 5 minutes. Sometimes they won't move for hours.

I've been logged into both clients simultaneously, but I've never found a line so far off that it was worth risking my good graces for.

[FightFightFight]

Then, whats the purpose of two accounts?

[NunyaBidness]

Then, whats the purpose of two accounts?

1) Lines aren't the same across all skins
2) Reduced limits on one book don't carry over to the other
3) Multiple bonuses

[MMAbetMASTA]

My SF 'Tate vs Rousey' Plays

Ticket#:66280826 Mar 03 10:55 PM	INTERNET / -1	Mar 01 07:30 PM	MU	STRAIGHT BET [24110] P DALEY -320 (K MISAKI vrs P DALEY)	320 / 100
Ticket#:66281012 Mar 03 11:20 PM	INTERNET / -1	Mar 01 07:33 PM	MU	STRAIGHT BET [24106] J THOMPSON -165 (KJ NOONS vrs J THOMPSON)	330 / 200

-----------------------

Feel bad playing against misaki... as a longtime fan of the japanese mma scene the guy has continued to impress and surprise me, I just don't think this is the best style for him. Daley's tdd seems to get better and better, and outside of diaz, I have yet to see anyone hang with daley on the feet and win a striking match (although jorge did pretty darn good). I know misaki has power and tricky strikes, and that's kept me from going heavier on this. However, I'm a firm believer that daley is p4p one of the best strikers and power punchers in the sport. He keeps it upright I think he wins, and considering he shucked almost all of Twood's tds, I have a hard time seeing misaki getting him down and controlling him. ALso misaki's first fight at 170, so I like daley even if I'm paying the juice... hoping this heavy price doesn't come back to bite me in the ass and ruin my night.

Loving Thompson, might put more on him. I think we can say kj's got great boxing, but I really don't think its superb and I might even go as far to say its overrated. Josh has decent hands, and obviously is on a whole diff level on the ground. He's a cardio machine and kj always slows as the fight goes on. At the low price I like him, definitely. I can see him using a very similar strategy jorge used - a variety of strike attacks while switching levels and hitting tds. I also think his control on the ground will be unlike anything kj has faced while on the mat - he'll keep kj there if he wants to me thinks.

[Hannibal]

Do you really think daley is a p4p great striker in mma? I used to think the same way about guys like Daley. He has perfect form in his strikes,and hits with big power and speed. His form is comparable to high level MT or boxers. but is this really the best type of mma striker? I dont think so. Sure, daley has put away a lot of guys...but can he fight a guy that doesnt want to trade or engage on the feet? I'd be willing to bet that condit could decision him on the feet similar to how he did diaz. I bet GSP could jab him all day. A true top striker in MMA is someone that can put devastating strikes on an opponent even if that opponent is not willing to engage or is playing a point fighting game. Guys like Aldo, Silva, Machida....or even someone like condit who doesnt have the form you'd see in a top striking combat sport....they'd all fck guys up whether they came to bang or came to point fight.

So i dont think i'd be willing to pay that price for a predictable daley...against an opponent that is unlikely to engage him and has a style tailored to do it. Misaki managed to do it against an off henderson who is just as deadly as daley. Not saying it will happen,.. just dont see the value.

[Vaughany]

lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH50ArdW3qU&feature=related

[rocky mattioli]

i,for one,believe that rousey is a genuine badass...doesn`t mean she can`t get herself choked out or armbarred here(she`s cocky..don`t believe that tate can out-grapple her but she could catch her in something)....tate`s much more experienced......but i sense a real mean streak in this one.....her response to cyborg on the carano shinkick was classic.....but -300 is steep as a straight wager......i have her as the kicker in a small par that`s(unfortunately) probably not worth hedging...this could go either way...she`s a tough broad.....looking forward to the fight...

probably taking kampmann and hoping that he fights smart...seems like most mma followers really like martin as a fighter,but he seems to suffer from" low-fighter-i.q. "syndrome....so talented...should never lose to a guy like daley...also,very much looking forward to mccall/mighty mouse...




btw,i never realized that showtime extreme was showing the strikeforce undercards(looks like a two hour show)....how long has this been going on?.....this is a pretty solid undercard....kudos to showtime and dana for stepping up to the plate with their mma programming....




....

[PunisherIND]

btw,i never realized that showtime extreme was showing the strikeforce undercards(looks like a two hour show)....how long has this been going on?.....this is a pretty solid undercard....kudos to showtime and dana for stepping up to the plate with their mma programming....



....

this is the 2nd event that they are airing undercard on sho extreme. they also aired a strikeforce undercard on hdnet (pre-zuffa)

[NunyaBidness]

Anybody know when the weigh-ins are?

[ghost kid]

Anybody know when the weigh-ins are?

http://mmajunkie.com/news/27658/strikeforce-tate-vs-rousey-live-and-official-weigh-in-results.mma?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[NunyaBidness]

thanks

[Vaughany]

Sports Illustrated piece on Ronda...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/boxing/2012/03/02/030212.ronda_rousey.SportsIllustrated/index.html?xid=twitter_share

[GunShard]

Am i crazy to bet on Tate?

Tate struggles against strikers but does well against graplers. Rousey is not only a grapler, she also has less fight experience than Tate.

I think I should take the underdog value on Tate.

[Vaughany]

Am i crazy to bet on Tate?

Tate struggles against strikers but does well against graplers. Rousey is not only a grapler, she also has less fight experience than Tate.

I think I should take the underdog value on Tate.

Grapplers tht are no way near Ronda's grappling, and certainly don't have the strength tht Rousey has.

[PunisherIND]

Has anyone seen rousey itd prop?

[illmatick]

Free money on Fodor for me at this point. Also added parlays on Thompson/Rousey, Kaufmann/Rousey and Heun/Rousey

[MMAbetMASTA]

Do you really think daley is a p4p great striker in mma? I used to think the same way about guys like Daley. He has perfect form in his strikes,and hits with big power and speed. His form is comparable to high level MT or boxers. but is this really the best type of mma striker? I dont think so. Sure, daley has put away a lot of guys...but can he fight a guy that doesnt want to trade or engage on the feet? I'd be willing to bet that condit could decision him on the feet similar to how he did diaz. I bet GSP could jab him all day. A true top striker in MMA is someone that can put devastating strikes on an opponent even if that opponent is not willing to engage or is playing a point fighting game. Guys like Aldo, Silva, Machida....or even someone like condit who doesnt have the form you'd see in a top striking combat sport....they'd all fck guys up whether they came to bang or came to point fight.

So i dont think i'd be willing to pay that price for a predictable daley...against an opponent that is unlikely to engage him and has a style tailored to do it. Misaki managed to do it against an off henderson who is just as deadly as daley. Not saying it will happen,.. just dont see the value.

I see what you're saying and I'm somewhat inclined to agree - good points.

I guess I mean p4p best in terms of going toe to toe against most other 'strikers' in the sport I think he would win.

I highly doubt gsp or condit would win a prolonged striking match though and would jab him to death though.

Yet I do feel you though that in this sport a striker who can incorporate his stand up in a manner that wiill strategize and win all aspects of the fight game is truly a p4p striker.

And after last night, I am surely regretting paying this price on daley - def agree with you on that. Lost a good 4 hundo last night and if daley loses its a truly devastating weekend for me.... Had I not placed it at this point I would stay away from it.

But its in now and I'm over buying out of it!! You better not of jinxed my ass Hannibal!! haha.

[MMAbetMASTA]

Grapplers tht are no way near Ronda's grappling, and certainly don't have the strength tht Rousey has.

I agree their grappling skill is bad, but isn't that what everyone on here was saying against Marloes, that she was on a different level of grappling and would sub tate?

I know rousey has the credentials to prove her grappling skill and has obviosuly put them into effect, but I do think tate's grappling is highly underrated and are growing at arguably the best place to develop mma grappling skills - alpha male - all those studs are great grapplers with natural ability and I think she falls into that category.

I do agree that size and what looks like some solid stand up (tate's stand up is horrendous and I actually think rousey will win on the feet) will be a big difference. If tate gets in a bad position on the ground, that is going to be a big a strong grappler who can put the hurt on her. Yet I won't be the least bit surprised if tate's grappling can hang and she defends, and perhaps even puts ronda in a fwe bad spots.

All in all I def favor rousey, but at anything over +250 I think tate is worth a small sprinkle. Lots of questions marks for rousey imo..

[ghost kid]

I agree their grappling skill is bad, but isn't that what everyone on here was saying against Marloes, that she was on a different level of grappling and would sub tate?

I know rousey has the credentials to prove her grappling skill and has obviosuly put them into effect, but I do think tate's grappling is highly underrated and are growing at arguably the best place to develop mma grappling skills - alpha male - all those studs are great grapplers with natural ability and I think she falls into that category.

I do agree that size and what looks like some solid stand up (tate's stand up is horrendous and I actually think rousey will win on the feet) will be a big difference. If tate gets in a bad position on the ground, that is going to be a big a strong grappler who can put the hurt on her. Yet I won't be the least bit surprised if tate's grappling can hang and she defends, and perhaps even puts ronda in a fwe bad spots.

All in all I def favor rousey, but at anything over +250 I think tate is worth a small sprinkle. Lots of questions marks for rousey imo..

Alpha Male kicked her out. She's not allowed through the doors there anymore. She trained ground this camp with Bryan Carraway and Shonie Carter. Bounced from camp to camp. 2 true experts that should surely have her prepared.

Good news is Miesha loves to cook. She will have a year to work on some nice recipes, with that sling on her arm.

[MMAbetMASTA]

Any over / unders you guys like on this card???

[MMAbetMASTA]

Alpha Male kicked her out. She's not allowed through the doors there anymore. She trained ground this camp with Bryan Carraway and Shonie Carter. Bounced from camp to camp. 2 true experts that should surely have her prepared.

Good news is Miesha loves to cook. She will have a year to work on some nice recipes, with that sling on her arm.

Are you ******* with me????

Well that really makes tate's chances better lol.... I just put 50 on tate too...lol, shonie carter you're f'ing kidding me....

When did she get kicked out, did she train there at all for this fight? And what did she get kicked out for?

I never read nor heard anything about this... I guess that changes things, wish I would have known this small piece of info before I put that 50 down...

[gabe]

Are you ******* with me????

Well that really makes tate's chances better lol.... I just put 50 on tate too...lol, shonie carter you're f'ing kidding me....

When did she get kicked out, did she train there at all for this fight? And what did she get kicked out for?

I never read nor heard anything about this... I guess that changes things, wish I would have known this small piece of info before I put that 50 down...

Faber gave her the boot 'cos she supported Dominick Cruz.

[ghost kid]

Info just came out the last couple of days. You can watch full interview with her here. She talks about "going home" and leaving alpha male. She dances around the subject. But word on the street is Uriah got tired of her shite.

Shonie Carter. Shake of the head. Palm to face. Good grief.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20784083

[cheeese]

5dimes going to puss out on props?

[scofflaw]

5dimes going to puss out on props?

I thought they were going to also but the lines are out now. Snagged rousey in the 1st @ +210 without shame.

[Vaughany]

Info just came out the last couple of days. You can watch full interview with her here. She talks about "going home" and leaving alpha male. She dances around the subject. But word on the street is Uriah got tired of her shite.

Shonie Carter. Shake of the head. Palm to face. Good grief.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20784083

It's been rumoured for a few weeks. I talked about in my thread how she's had a disjointed camp and had to spend some of it at AO8 fitness centre and even admitted tht it wasnt great place for grappling

[cheeese]

I thought they were going to also but the lines are out now. Snagged rousey in the 1st @ +210 without shame.

That's what I was waiting on too

[Beelzebubzy]

Arbing out on Thompson, Daley and Huen. Only playing Ronda Bubzy tonight.

[eligibletackle]

I usually stray from dogs on SF events, it seems like their matchmaking (even w/ Shelby doing it) is so lopsided. I was tempted to play Noons on the basis that his TDD is pretty underrated and Thompson is coming off another long layoff. Normally I don't buy into ringrust, but he looked like a shell of his former self vs Melendez in the rematch, and hasn't looked like his pre-injury self since. Before it wasn't a broken leg, his 2011 layoff is ankle & ligaments as per the mma junkie article, no thanks. I'm really tempted on Noons and to a smaller extent Healy, but I don't know enough about Fodor to be confident, Healy is consistently underrated though.

Like Daley a lot even at the price and also riding the Rousey bandwagon. Yeah it's pricey but I like Daley too much here.

Souzas chin is not the greatest. But this is a mismatch. N

I agree on mismatch but what's the basis on Jacare's weak chin? There's the KO from the first fight of his MMA career, and then the upkick which would've put anyone in the sport the sleep. Agree that it's too pricey, but Jacare's weaknesses lie in that he's too unwilling to play to his strengths w/ his improved striking. On paper this screams squash match, but I 'm not touching it.

[Kaladarus]

Noons was getting taken down at will against Masvidal. Probably shouldn't be a big play either way, but I think Thompson can take this fight where he wants it if it's not working out for him on the feet.

[scofflaw]

Tonight is my largest bet on a single fight. I feel like Rhonda is still undervalued and I'm putting my money where my mouth is. If she wins in the same way tonight that she has been we'll never see her at a decent price again unless she fights Cyborg (I'd take Rousey over Cyborg too)

600 to win 200 - Rousey to win
100 to win 210 - Rousey in the 1st
25 to win 15 - Rousey by sub
95 to win 65 - Te-Huna + Rousey
20 to win 19 - Klitschko, Benavidez, Daley, Rousey

risking 840.

[eligibletackle]

Grapplers tht are no way near Ronda's grappling, and certainly don't have the strength tht Rousey has.

+1, Tate let Akano get top position on too many TD attempts. That could be Tate's demise vs someone like Rousey. Tate's also been in too many precarious positions vs fighters w/o the finishing ability of a Rousey. Maybe it's speaks more to Tate's durability, or Coenen & others inability to finish, but w/ Rousey, it seems like "1st mistake = Last mistake". There's definitely a few reasons to like Tate (not many IMO), but stylistically I think have to agree that this matchup favors Rousey too much. I haven't seen TDs from Tate that let me think she could put a world class judoka on her back, TDs that come from the clinch on the fence can be reversed on her if she's careless.

I don't like betting on WMMA all that much, Rousey could be on her monthlies and her bf just dumped her, anything can happen. Rousey seems real safe and Tate by Dec seems like a good hedge. If this wasn't females, and there was more footage of Rousey going into later rounds, then I'd lay a lot on Rousey. Tate has shown that she can survive bad positions and get the W, Ronda has steamrolled in Shane Carwin-esque fashion ... not implying Ronda is a 1st round armbar - one trick pony, but I would feel more confident and up my bet on her if she fought higher competition. If Rousey beats Tate convincingly, I don' think she'll cheaper than -450 - -500 for a while. Kaufman w/ a win would be next? Rousey would be in that range for sure.

[Vaughany]

Tonight is my largest bet on a single fight. I feel like Rhonda is still undervalued and I'm putting my money where my mouth is. If she wins in the same way tonight that she has been we'll never see her at a decent price again unless she fights Cyborg (I'd take Rousey over Cyborg too)

600 to win 200 - Rousey to win
100 to win 210 - Rousey in the 1st
25 to win 15 - Rousey by sub
95 to win 65 - Te-Huna + Rousey
20 to win 19 - Klitschko, Benavidez, Daley, Rousey

risking 840.

Got a similar amount riding on her winning as well...BOL

[eligibletackle]

If she wins in the same way tonight that she has been we'll never see her at a decent price again unless she fights Cyborg (I'd take Rousey over Cyborg too).

great minds think a like. Might've beaten you to the punch if I didn't write these diatribes.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH50ArdW3qU&feature=related

Paul Daley setting Black people back about 30 years with that one.