Then I would take Frankie Edgar seriously as an elite fighter.
I can't tell if he is overrated or underrated.
I can't tell if he is overrated or underrated.
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Hes underrated -130 im not sure how anybody can not like FrankieComment -
How can he possibly be overrated when people continue to doubt him despite his achievements? Do people even know what overrated meansComment -
ha yeah certainly not over-ratedComment -
If frankie had KO power then I think more people would be confident in him, but Benson has illuminati on his side.Comment -
How can the guy be overrated when he beat what was thought of the best LW of all time ....TWICE! A guy people said was unbeatable at LW. Then goes 1-0-1 vs. a guy everyone had as a top 3 LW....and KO'd him the last time.
How can that guy be overrated at -130....while many people are backing Bendo? A guy whos best win is a sick Jim Miller. A guy Edgar beat already.
How in the world could he even be considered overrated? He has beat pretty much every top guy he has faced. Sherk, Penn 2x, Maynard, Tyson Griffin, Jim Miller, Bocek.....
I don't get it. If any other champ beat the best guy at their weight twice and a top 3 guy by KO....they would salivate and say he is a top P4P fighter.Comment -
If he had more KO power? What? He is a lightweight. How many guys at LW other than Penn or a guy like Barboza have big KO power?
He has more KO power than Bendo. Bendo is a HUGE 155er...yet he has 2 TKOs in his whole career, over bums.
Why isn't anyone talking about Bendo's lack of power? Especially when his size is supposed to be some big advantage?
By all means Bendo can win this fight. But I don't understand anyone's analysis on this fight. So many people have a hard on for Bendo...for no apparent reason. Yet Frankie could kick Overeem's ass and people would still find ways to question him.
Perhaps I am just missing something.Comment -
I'm sour on Edgar because I've lost betting against him a few times. But I really don't think Bendo is gonna fight anything like Edgars last few opponents. Everyone is mad a Condit for running away but Edgar does the exact same thing minus the power strikes Condit throws.
I actually thought Bj won the first fight. My take on it is that Maynard and BJ fought into Edgars hands by never trying to take him down, almost rendering their size a disadvantage because instead of using it to lean on Edgar they tried to chase him and throw bombs and gassed themselves out. Sherk never shot for a takedown either.
Maynard gassed terribly by round 2 in the last two fights. If Maynard fought like he did the first time he could've won easily. Being 20-30 lbs heavier is much more advantageous in a wrestling match than in kickboxing imo. Bendo has much better cardio than maynard too.
Bendo WILL try take him down not chase him around and wing bombs and gas himself out. Leg kicks and takedowns are the recipe for success against Frankie, I think Bendo will do just that.Comment -
I don't agree at all that Edgar runs away. He does the opposite. Just because he moves a lot doesn't me he runs clear to the other side of the cage like Condit.
Circling and moving in and out is boxing 101. He beat the shit out of Penn the 2nd time. He just KO'd Maynard. I really have a hard time understanding that comparison.
Even if you thought BJ won, it was close as hell. Bj was 4 months removed from destroying Sanchez while everyone claimed he was unbeatable at LW.
I don't think Maynard gassed that bad the 2nd time. I think he conserved some energy and didn't go ape shit as much. I don't know how you can say a guy gassed that bad when he went 5 entertaining rounds the first time and 4 entertaining rounds the 2nd time. None of it was laying on top of a guy on teh ground. It was all moving.
I also don't understand why people take away from the fact that WHEN Mayanrd tried for takedowns he wasn't very successful. No he didn't go in there and try to wrestle all night long. But when he tried he was stuffed...and Edgar took him down a couple times. Why is it that Maynard gassed is the reason? Why does no one praise the fact that Frankie was on queer street, rocked harder than Bendo has ever been rocked....yet still managed to stuff takedowns?
I seem to see a lot of people making excuses as to why Edgar has been successful.
-Penn is claimed to be unbeatable at LW...then all of a sudden I see people saying he beat a crappy Penn.
-Maynard was favored the first time and a lot of people picked him in both fights....yet he didn't use a the correct gameplan or something even though he almost finished him in the 1st twice.
-Maynard gassed thats why Frankie was able to do well wrestling and boxing after teh first round....oh but no mention that he did all of that after being rocked and losing a 10-8 round? Is that not impressive?
I'm not going ape shit on you. I'm just speaking about general things I hear. I feel people are pretty bias over Edgar. As if they don't want to believe he is that good. It is always about excuses as to why he has been able to beat the 2 other best LWs out there. But no one ever looks at it from a rocked Edgar's perspective.
It will be funny when the people who haven't given him credit after beating Penn and Maynard (2 consensus top LWs at the time), yet watch they give him his due for beating Benson Henderson. LOL. Doesn't make much sense to me.
I don't think he can take Edgar down....that is if he even catches him. Which is hard enough.
Good Luck. End of Rant.Comment -
Good post, I love to discuss with rational individuals like yourself, and I probably am biased against Edgar as I previously mentioned. But I think we both have valid points here.
Im not condemning movement as a strategy. I love it. I thought Condit fought brilliantly. I was just pointing out the incongruity from fans perspectives. For Edgar, its great, but when Condit does it, he's a pussy.
The one point I will not backdown on is Maynard gassing terribly after round 1 in both fights. He really did. Bendo won't. Gray was easily landing flush in round 1 of both title fights, and was noticeably slower and flailing at air subsequently after. Thats the downfall of weighing 190+ lbs, cutting to 155 and then throwing everything you have into your punches for the first round. Frankie not cutting weight and fighting at high pace like that is a huge advantage obviously.I also slightly discredit the Penn wins because Penn has motivation problems. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one too.
I didn't see maynard attempt a single takedown either. BJ took him down once rather easily but didn't stick with it. Even though his corner was screaming at him to do it.
Frankie is incredibly durable and I do give him props for that. I wouldn't recommend wasting energy trying to finish that little bastard. Maynard made the same mistake twice which to me is unacceptable. After he rocked him, he just swung away wildly, never sunk hooks in or secured position which is exxactly what Ben will do.
I'm obviously not winning any fans by saying this but I feel Edgar has been fortunate recently, and I think Cinderalla has to leave the ball eventually. Giving up 20+ lbs every fight will catch up to him once people start switching up their approach to fighting him.
Edgar is great at that style of fighting, he's perfected it. He's amazing. I just think if you make him fight a different type of fight he is very beatable. We shall see. Good luck to you also.Comment -
Looks like both fighters were great. Henderson is the better fighter.Comment -
Frankie has great heart and great endurance but imo he did not beat BJ the first fight. For sure the second, but I would say 1-1Comment -
Edgar is the man. How can anyone not love to watch that dude fight. Unreal last night. He deserves a rematch.Comment
