Barboza vs Etim @ UFC 142

**gabe** · 12-13-11, 10:25 PM

I just noticed that Terry Etim is only 10 days older than Edson Barboza. Jan. 11, 1986 and Jan. 21, 1986. Both Muay Thai fighters. Wow, man, I can't wait for this one.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 12-13-11, 11:13 PM

I'm expecting Etim to open as a small to med doggie. Barboza hasn't been a world beater thus far (arguably losing to Ross P, looking pedestrian vs Njokuani, and punishing a one dimensional Lullo) but keep in mind, Etim looked great... against Edward Faaloloto.

If there are Etim backers here, this may be one of those fights where we should shut up until the opener is posted...

Personally, I haven't cap'd this one yet, but am definitely amp'd for this fight.

**bjpenn85** · 12-14-11, 06:19 AM

Agreed. We shut up. But man i look forward to this fight!!!

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 06:23 AM

Barboza was -320 or so against Pearson and Etim was like -675 against Faalooto, so I expected Etim to be a -180 or so favorite here. Would Barboza be -800 against Faalooto? If not, he probably won't be the favorite here. I'm feeling like it might be closer to even odds.

**Vaughany** · 12-14-11, 07:04 AM

Pretty confident Barboza will be the favourite. He's not been in trouble in any of his fights so far (even if two were close decisions). Etim meanwhile has been dropped and had his nose broken by Brian Cobb, been submitted by Dos Anjos and has only had 17 seconds of octagon time in 18months. Etim's only impressive win really in terms of level of opponent was against Stout. I doubt Barboza would have any trouble either beating likes of Gugerty, Bucholz, Cobb, Grice and Faalotootlotot...they are all low level guys (UFC standards) and all been cut since.

**Vaughany** · 12-14-11, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Barboza was -360 or so against Pearson and Etim was like -675 against Faalooto, so I expected Etim to be a -180 or so favorite here. Would Barboza be -800 against Faalooto? If not, he probably won't be the favorite here. I'm feeling like it might be closer to even odds.

Are you comparing Pearson and Faalooto here?! Etim was such a big favourite against Faalooto because Faalooto is lowest level possible in UFC. Barboza was -260 to -300 favourite against Pearson - never near -360 (don't know where you pluck these random odds from!), nevertheless, if anything it suggests that he'll be the favourite against Etim, not the underdog. Pearson has more credentials then Etim - he's a TUF winner and had beaten Spencer Fisher and Dennis Siver previously, Barboza was over-valued by the line setters and public - as their fight clearly demonstrated as many thought Pearson won. He was also -265 against Njokuani, again the fight showed that Njokuani didnt deserve to be +235 and that the line setter over-valued Barboza.

**Wanna Bet On It?** · 12-14-11, 07:13 AM

How about we not talk about capping this fight until the lines are out...

**Vaughany** · 12-14-11, 07:21 AM

ha If anything the above would just confuse a line setter! Also, maybe it's just disinformation

**v1y** · 12-14-11, 07:32 AM

meh, this will be close to even odds.

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Are you comparing Pearson and Faalooto here?! Etim was such a big favourite against Faalooto because Faalooto is lowest level possible in UFC. Barboza was -260 to -300 favourite against Pearson - never near -360 (don't know where you pluck these random odds from!), nevertheless, if anything it suggests that he'll be the favourite against Etim, not the underdog. Pearson has more credentials then Etim - he's a TUF winner and had beaten Spencer Fisher and Dennis Siver previously, Barboza was over-valued by the line setters and public - as they fight clearly demonstrated as many thought Pearson won. He was also -265 against Njokuani, again the fight showed that Njokuani didnt deserve to be +235 and that the line setter over-valued Barboza.

Comparing Pearson to Faalooto? It is dumb to assume that's what I was doing. If I was comparing Pearson to Faalooto, why would I say Barboza would be -800 against Faalooto when he was only -300 against Pearson?

I must have been getting a bad line on Barboza against Pearson, 'cos it was well in the -300s.

Also, I doubt Pearson would be a -675 favorite against Faalooto like Etim was.

**Vaughany** · 12-14-11, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Comparing Pearson to Faalooto? It is dumb to assume that's what I was doing. If I was comparing Pearson to Faalooto, why would I say Barboza would be -800 against Faalooto when he was only -300 against Pearson?

I must have been getting a bad line on Barboza against Pearson, 'cos it was well in the -300s.

Also, I doubt Pearson would be a -675 favorite against Faalooto like Etim was.

That's the point, you didnt say Barboza would be -800! You said "Would Barboza be -800 against Faalooto?"!]Pearson was -265 favourite against Siver and Michael Johnson was -541 against Faaloto so I dont see why Pearson wouldnt be -675 against somebody like Faalooto

**Educ8d Degener8** · 12-14-11, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by gabe

Barboza was -320 or so against Pearson and Etim was like -675 against Faalooto, so I expected Etim to be a -180 or so favorite here. Would Barboza be -800 against Faalooto? If not, he probably won't be the favorite here. I'm feeling like it might be closer to even odds.

Gabe, even you'd be like -480 vs Faaloloto.

**Vaughany** · 12-14-11, 11:41 AM

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

That's the point, you didnt say Barboza would be -800! You said "Would Barboza be -800 against Faalooto?"!]Pearson was -265 favourite against Siver and Michael Johnson was -541 against Faaloto so I dont see why Pearson wouldnt be -675 against somebody like Faalooto

OK, Would I have SUGGESTED* he'd be -800? Same shit lol quit nitpicking--- nobody ever misunderstands me as much as you do, man.

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Gabe, even you'd be like -480 vs Faaloloto.

I would break his arm off with a heel hook.

**NunyaBidness** · 12-14-11, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Etim will be the favorite here, right?

Your comedy is getting better.

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Your comedy is getting better.

I don't know who Faalooto was, but being a -675 favorite against him is a big deal. And if Barboza is a favorite over Etim, he would have been at least a -800 favorite over Faalooto, which is insane. That made me think Etim might be the slight favorite in this fight. I had zero clue what the line will be, that's why I asked you guys. I guess now I'm expecting Barboza to be the fav since you all believe he will be.

**NunyaBidness** · 12-14-11, 01:24 PM

Michael Johnson was -500 against Faaloloto. Michael Johnson.

**ghost kid** · 12-14-11, 01:27 PM

Gabe, if you could please not make threads like this it would be great. Thanks.

You and V have put a lot of info out here, for better or worse.

You see Dantas +300 a few weeks back? You see OSP at +400 today? You like those?

Anything is possible, my friend. Just keep quiet till you see the #s.

**proposition joe** · 12-14-11, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by ghost kid

Gabe, if you could please not make threads like this it would be great. Thanks.

You and V have put a lot of info out here, for better or worse.

You see Dantas +300 a few weeks back? You see OSP at +400 today? You like those?

Anything is possible, my friend. Just keep quiet till you see the #s.

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Michael Johnson was -500 against Faaloloto. Michael Johnson.

I didn't know that. So basically, Faalooto was a "jobber"

Originally posted by ghost kid

Gabe, if you could please not make threads like this it would be great. Thanks.

Why, because it will influence the line?

Posting this thread has helped me view this fight better. Most of you guys have been hardcore UFC fans far longer than I have, so it helps.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 12-14-11, 01:37 PM

Yes Gabe, Faaloloto is a complete can.

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 02:14 PM

There's gotta be a way to discuss shit we don't want line setters to see. How? Private chatroom meet-ups?

**PunisherIND** · 12-14-11, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by gabe

There's gotta be a way to discuss shit we don't want line setters to see. How? Private chatroom meet-ups?

meet me in the garden at 7pm.

-akira

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

meet me in the garden at 7pm.

-akira

i am a gonna take you life! you sonofbitch.

-diego

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 04:27 PM

Edson 'Mendes Junior' Barboza vs Jose Figueroa Full Fight MMA Video

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Edson_Mendes_Junior_Barboza_vs_Jose_Figueroa?vid=10010551&tid=100

What a win for Conner Tudsbury who opens his account in the professional game against Sadaam Moamed Da Silva Caetano in Manchester on the Jack Catterall vs Arnold Barboza undercard. #CatterallBarbo...

one of the nastiest KO's i've ever seen.

**Vaughany** · 12-14-11, 04:38 PM

It was never gonna end well after slippping on his ass attempting the most telegraphed head kick ever!

**Vaughany** · 12-14-11, 04:45 PM

Was some brutal body shots in this one and showed his submission skills at end... http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Edso...010552&tid=100

**gabe** · 12-14-11, 06:09 PM

I'm a big fan of this guys. I think he's gut huge potential. I would LOVE to see him fight Jose Aldo. Also a big fan of Etim's. Really can't wait for this one.

**Vaughany** · 01-03-12, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Pretty confident Barboza will be the favourite. He's not been in trouble in any of his fights so far (even if two were close decisions). Etim meanwhile has been dropped and had his nose broken by Brian Cobb, been submitted by Dos Anjos and has only had 17 seconds of octagon time in 18months. Etim's only impressive win really in terms of level of opponent was against Stout. I doubt Barboza would have any trouble either beating likes of Gugerty, Bucholz, Cobb, Grice and Faalotootlotot...they are all low level guys (UFC standards) and all been cut since.

Barboza out at -235 favourite

**gabe** · 01-03-12, 02:32 PM

Now at -260

**dww123** · 01-03-12, 07:57 PM

They should match Faaloloto vs Jason Reinhart. Battle of the ultimate cans. The two worst fighters to ever grace with their presence the modern day UFC octagon. I would take Cyborg against either one of them.

**Vitooch** · 01-03-12, 09:11 PM

I think this fight should be more towards even. Barboza won a razor sharp decision in which many thought Pearson edged out. I would say Etim is just as good if not better than Pearson.

**Vaughany** · 01-04-12, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I think this fight should be more towards even. Barboza won a razor sharp decision in which many thought Pearson edged out. I would say Etim is just as good if not better than Pearson.

Yeah certainly shouldnt be as steep as it is. Guess the 'home advantage' is helping as well

**sirchadwick1** · 01-04-12, 07:20 AM

As good as Aldo and Barboza are... I'm going against both of them here. Mendes has a very good shot of winning with his wrestling after Aldo starts to fade and he has shown a solid chin. In a 3 rd fight, I'd be more hesitant to lay down on him.... but 5 rds at +200 or better looks good. Barboza is still being a bit overhyped. I was on Pearson against him last time and it was too close to call. Pearson was nearly surprisingly outstruck by Assuncao and was lucky to win that decision imo. Etim has better standup and a nice sub game. I think the dude can hang and already have a play on him, but I'm hoping his line reaches +250 so I can throw more on him.