UFC 88 Breakthrough

playa420 · 08-12-08, 10:39 PM

im with u on da franklin bet, and chuck is also a lock!!!!!

I.R.B · 08-13-08, 05:34 AM

I see Hendo as a Sure win...

raydog · 08-13-08, 06:15 AM

rob, where are you betting these lines?

JerseyRob · 08-13-08, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by raydog

rob, where are you betting these lines?

5 dimes

I.R.B · 08-15-08, 01:31 AM

Hendo @ -190 is a steal... His opponets inflated record makes it look like it will be a hard bet but Hendo will smash him... Or a 5round un Dec.

JoshW · 08-16-08, 10:24 AM

Some interestig matchups. I might find a few things to bet, but I don't see any home runs.

dekadent30 · 08-17-08, 06:23 AM

i will bet on lidell - he will win

Jacey · 08-18-08, 10:20 AM

Not sure who I'll bet on yet, but I'll be there!

I like that Franklin line a lot

JoshW · 08-19-08, 11:32 AM

Jacey, I think could be a pretty interesting card. Awesome that you get to watch it live.

viciousfist · 08-25-08, 05:59 PM

I think Yoshida is a good bet at around +250. Japanese fighters don't get a whole lot of North American exposure, but he's certainly no slouch. I think Parisyan is the slight favourite simply on quality of opposition, but +250 or greater is great value here.

Same goes for Rousimar Palhares. I'm assuming the line on him is supposed to be +158 (?). Again, Henderson should definitely be considered the favourite here, so there's not enough value on Palhares at that price. But Rousimar is one of those "next-level" BJJ guys. Absolutely incredible off his back, which is no doubt where he'll be quickly. I'd say that if the line shifts above +250 for him, it's another great bet. I wouldn't be surprised to see Henderson tap here.

EmceeDusty · 08-26-08, 02:07 PM

Liddell
Franklin
Henderson are locks

Kampmann might be able to pull off the upset and Yoshida also if you want a underdog that might win Yoshida is unreal and for that odds its worth the shot.

MMAJOE · 08-26-08, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by EmceeDusty

Liddell
Franklin
Henderson are locks

Kampmann might be able to pull off the upset and Yoshida also if you want a underdog that might win Yoshida is unreal and for that odds its worth the shot.

Not sure all locks here

Liddell I like a lot,Evans is going to be in big trouble when he figures out he cant take chuck down or strike with him.

Franklin is going up to 205lb again and should score a Ko or Tko, But Hammil is a huge 205lb fighter and world classes wrestler and i could see Hamill take Rich down and Lay n pray a decision.

Hendo is coming off two tough losses ( Rampage,Silva) and should score a KO or dec,Pahlares is a world class grappler and looked very impressive over a tough Vet Ivan Salavary with armbar sub in the first minute of the fight ( Ivan has never been submitted in 20 fights until then ) Hendo has loss 3 fights bye Subs ( Noggiera twice and Silva).But I agree not much value in Pahlares and I cant see Hendo losing his third straight fight.

Kampmann vs Marquart is a no bet,Marquart got robbed in his last fight bye a bad call bye Herb dean that costed him a point and the fight .Marquart is huge guy very strong great cardio good wrestling and GNP and good submissions. Kampmann has the superior stand up being a ex kickboxer and has proved in his fights in the UFC he has great Subs ( wins over Mcfedries and Rivera bye subs ) I want Kampmann to win but i see Nate to much to handle for 3 rounds.

goldengoat · 08-27-08, 01:22 AM

chuck and nate have the best chances to win. karo as well but line is not great so probably wouldn't take it.

dan is past his prime in my opinion but still great fighter. his opponent is very good though coming from BTT. if line moves too much for dan then i would have to go with palhares.

i agree that hammil could get a lay and pray victory over rich. hammil's coaches should tell him not to mix it up on the feet more than is necessary to setup his takedown. hammil has a good chin but leaves so many openings that rich could land a combo to finish him. it would most likely begin with an uppercut or a knee as hammil leaves his head down a lot. hammil also does not have exellent finishing skills either gnp or sub so rich would be there the whole fight if hammil took him down which he should be able to. bet for hammil would be based on the line moving too much in rich's favor as well otherwise no play.

JerseyRob · 08-28-08, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by MMAJOE

Hendo is coming off two tough losses ( Rampage,Silva) and should score a KO or dec,Pahlares is a world class grappler and looked very impressive over a tough Vet Ivan Salavary with armbar sub in the first minute of the fight ( Ivan has never been submitted in 20 fights until then ) Hendo has loss 3 fights bye Subs ( Noggiera twice and Silva).But I agree not much value in Pahlares and I cant see Hendo losing his third straight fight.

Salverry announced his retirement before that fight and has been past his prime for a few years now. Everyone knew Pahlares was the bet of the night on that card. Fighting a guy with one foot out the door is much different than fighting a guy hungry for a win. I would say Franklin is the biggest main card lock of the night but second biggest is probably Henderson.

The biggest lock on the card is of course Dong but his line will probably open up -400.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 08-29-08, 05:15 PM

I agree with Viciousfist, Yoshida is a live dog, Karo claimed he had panic attacks in Colorado where he fought Alves and lost, and he looks in better shape in a photo of his training. At +245 Yoshida is worth a hard look
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Bread · 09-01-08, 09:44 AM

Oh yay it's almost UFC time again....WOOWEE!

THE_LOCKSMITH · 09-01-08, 11:52 AM

i also like MARTIN KAMPMANN +115 (DSI) to beat NATE MARQUARDT

teaserpleaser · 09-03-08, 07:52 AM

Theres goingt to be at least 2 upsets on this Card... good style match ups such as can Rich Franklin stop the takedown (what above average wrestler has he fought?) Will Henderson gas because Rusimar is a beast, Hendo should pick him apart in the standup but who knows... And Is Chuck really healed can he stop Rashads takedown believe it or not at this point Rashads takedowns are better than Titos. Will Karo gas and or get hit with a panic attack before or during the fight Yoshida is going to be a tough fight. (he could beat Karo) Will former king of Pancrase Nate Marquardt get points taken away again i think he beats Kampman for 2 out of 3 rounds.... NONE OF THESE FIGHTS ARE LOCKS ESPECIALLY IF THEY GO TO THE UFC SCORECARDS! DAMN BOXING JUDGES DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT.

teaserpleaser · 09-03-08, 08:00 AM

I'd parlay Nate Marquardt and Henderson... Palahres standup isn't very good you would think Henderson could stop the takedown with his olympic background and everything but i've seen guys who shouldnt be taking Dan down do so. Marquardt is a beast a solid A- fighter if it wasnt for Anderson Silva and Rich Franklin he would probably be tops in 185 division. He has a big strength advantage over Kampman everytime i see kampman hes getting the crap beat out of him then a come back. not on saturday. (Wouldn't touch the rest)

THE_LOCKSMITH · 09-03-08, 10:02 AM

KAMPMANN is tough, don't see Marquardt knocking him out or submitting him. Your right he's probably stronger but i think Kampmann has more skill and is very under rated and a plus money i'll take my chance with him. they both rear naked choked out Crafton Wallace, and both fough Thales Leites, Kampmann winning by unanimous decision Marquardt losing a decision (on point deductions). Marquardt was stronger than other opponents like Dean Lister, Joe Dorksen, Ivan Salaverry all who he beat but couldn't finish.

teaserpleaser · 09-03-08, 11:39 AM

I stick to small parlay plays now on mma after i was screwed out of serious $ with that Anthony Johnson eye poke situation. (That and the rampage decision ...sorry but i've fought and judged mma and that scoring was horrible) Like i said Good luck oh and about Kampmann hes tough i just cant see him getting top position on nate or ko'ing nate. Either way it looks to be a decision... Nates good at grinding them out. Until they fix the judges and steve mazzagati is fired watch your money...

teaserpleaser · 09-03-08, 11:53 AM

P.s. Dan Henderson is going to be on the beatdown radio show on sherdog.com (probably talking about his strategy for the fight and his training camp.) show starts at 10am 8 min from now.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 09-03-08, 02:47 PM

yea i listen to HardcoreSportsRadio they had Kampmann on already on the show SporsRage nothing really about his strategy. Plus on FightNetworkRadio they had Liddell and Big John Macarthy and both agreed that Forrest beat Rampage as did I, no horrible judging there.

teaserpleaser · 09-03-08, 02:57 PM

we will have to agree to disagree on the Rampage fight good luck on saturday.

THE_LOCKSMITH · 09-03-08, 03:07 PM

u too!

MMAJOE · 09-04-08, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by teaserpleaser

I stick to small parlay plays now on mma after i was screwed out of serious $ with that Anthony Johnson eye poke situation. (That and the rampage decision ...sorry but i've fought and judged mma and that scoring was horrible) Like i said Good luck oh and about Kampmann hes tough i just cant see him getting top position on nate or ko'ing nate. Either way it looks to be a decision... Nates good at grinding them out. Until they fix the judges and steve mazzagati is fired watch your money...

Agree I would be up thousands if Rampage ( he won the fight or draw you have to take it from the champ) Nate Marquart ( Herb dean took a point for a legal elbow that costed him the decision). Anthony Johnson getting poked in the eye and the call it a TKO for Burns ??WTF should of been a DQ and AJ wins. Sticking on small plays also.

teaserpleaser · 09-05-08, 10:41 AM

P.S. just a thought the WEC 36 lines are up... I just got Razor Rob MCcoullough at +100 at 5 dimes ... some Value there in Rob.

JerseyRob · 09-05-08, 12:09 PM

My final bets for the card

Rich Franklin 1850 to win 1000
Karo Parisyan and Dan Henderson Parlay 475 to win 500
Dong and Liddell Parlay 650 to win 500

JerseyRob · 09-05-08, 01:17 PM

My Karo Parisyan parlay just got the shaft he is out with a back injury so it is just a straight up Hendo bet now.

teaserpleaser · 09-05-08, 01:37 PM

Hendo's going to be in for a fight... Thats sucks I dont care what the ODDS say if Dan gets put on his back in that fight its over... Hes fighting a Good BTT black Belt with tremendous leg lock locks. Good luck

teaserpleaser · 09-05-08, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by MMAJOE

Agree I would be up thousands if Rampage ( he won the fight or draw you have to take it from the champ) Nate Marquart ( Herb dean took a point for a legal elbow that costed him the decision). Anthony Johnson getting poked in the eye and the call it a TKO for Burns ??WTF should of been a DQ and AJ wins. Sticking on small plays also.

Yeah I feel like I was robbed twice the Anthony Johnson one hurt the most I had $150 to win like 1200 I had the whole card picked Johnson killed it..... sucks I cant prove it but im sure the vegas gambling had something to do with it... (alot of people lost money on that fight, a buddy of mine dropped 3 dimes on Johnson) Its all good though because the WEC Cards usually all the Favs win... I've been parlaying the Hell out of those cards and making some$$... AJ was winning that fight in boxing they would have went to the score cards and AJ would have got the decision... It was really the Point i noticed how mickey mouse MMA judges and rules are... The Rampage fight he should have finished Forrest how many time did he drop him? AHHHHH...

Ps... Screw Rampage lets all remember hes a Muay thai guy when he was with Team oyama and NO limits... First it was knees and the Muay thai clinch now the Brotha doesn't know how to check low kicks.... Im done with him...

THE_LOCKSMITH · 09-05-08, 05:44 PM

"you have to take it from the champ" yea thats eactly what forrest did, So bad that Rampage admitted he "got his ass beat" at the end of the fight interview, then his dumb trained got in his ear and told him he won the fight and next thing you know he fired him. Let it go Forrest won that clear as day

teaserpleaser · 09-05-08, 05:51 PM

Lock you on on Razor Rob on wed... or on the cowboy?? (WEC 36)

JerseyRob · 09-06-08, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by teaserpleaser

Hendo's going to be in for a fight... Thats sucks I dont care what the ODDS say if Dan gets put on his back in that fight its over... Hes fighting a Good BTT black Belt with tremendous leg lock locks. Good luck

Dan has fought better and bigger BJJ guys. Toquino fought a done fighter in Salverry and looked impressive. Dan has fought a much higher level of competition. Dan's cardio and striking should be the difference. Dan also has his back against the wall because if he loses this fight his status with UFC will be on very shaky ground.