Bellator 55

**flickavic** · 10-19-11, 06:50 PM

So far im leaning all favs.Just a matter of choosing if any of them are worth the juice and or what parlay combos are best to play.Does anyone feel we have a live dog or 2.

**proposition joe** · 10-19-11, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by flickavic

So far im leaning all favs.Just a matter of choosing if any of them are worth the juice and or what parlay combos are best to play.Does anyone feel we have a live dog or 2.

I really like Vila and Mpumbu. Tirloni to win as well.

**flickavic** · 10-19-11, 08:10 PM

the undercard of Bellator are on spike.com now.i wish they set odds for those..

**Kaladarus** · 10-19-11, 08:59 PM

I don't like Mpumbu in this spot. Be careful with your parlays.

**rocky mattioli** · 10-20-11, 07:58 AM

seeing a line on richard hale vs carlos flores(undercard)...problem is,flores fights at around 250...hale 205.....

very odd...

**NunyaBidness** · 10-20-11, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by rocky mattioli

seeing a line on richard hale vs carlos flores(undercard)...problem is,flores fights at around 250...hale 205.....

very odd...

What's so odd? People change weight classes all the time. Fight is scheduled at 205, I believe.

**flickavic** · 10-20-11, 04:51 PM

So far,

Vila,Dantas,Tirloni pays about +120

M'Pumbu straight.

M'Pumbu odds have come down so i might drop more on him..

**rocky mattioli** · 10-20-11, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

What's so odd? People change weight classes all the time. Fight is scheduled at 205, I believe.

check video out on flores.....he`s loose.....but his last bellator fight was at around 245/250....that`s roughly a 40/45 pound drop in his 6th mma fight.....the guy`s around 33,i think...i`m guessing he hasn`t seen 205 since the beatles became known(the lifeform,not the group)....

very ambitious in my opinion...might look at hale at around -150....

still looking

**TheCalculator** · 10-20-11, 05:07 PM

I've got some action on Hale.

**flickavic** · 10-20-11, 05:15 PM

5d has not put Hale fight up

**FightFightFight** · 10-20-11, 05:23 PM

Flores has fought at 205 before. His fourth fight I believe. Wont be an issue for him.

**rocky mattioli** · 10-20-11, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by FightFightFight

Flores has fought at 205 before. His fourth fight I believe. Wont be an issue for him.

i saw that he fought jason walraven(who lists at 205)...but kotc has a heavyweight division that spans 205-265....so i`m not sure whether he fought at 205 or not.........i thought i`d found info that said he was 33 previously...but i can`t find it now.....so,i could have been wrong...i`ve been looking at lots of obscure fighters of late...

if you can verify that flores actually fought at 205,please post it...it`d be helpful...thanks..

**FightFightFight** · 10-20-11, 06:44 PM

205 for sure. Quite trim and only 6'0 or so. 2nd link is a useful picture half way down the thread. Dont bother looking for the actual interview. Awful. Stuff like whats your favorite colour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAfTi...eature=related ; http://www.tapology.com/forum/open/1..._Carlos_Flores

**flickavic** · 10-20-11, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Kaladarus

I don't like Mpumbu in this spot. Be careful with your parlays.

I def. like M'Pumbu here.I think he wins this by a highlight reel KO or worse case ref stops it while he's pounding Wiuf.I have put more on M'Pumbu as his odds have dropped..Its definetly the make or break fight of the night for me...

**rocky mattioli** · 10-20-11, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by FightFightFight

205 for sure. Quite trim and only 6'0 or so. 2nd link is a useful picture half way down the thread. Dont bother looking for the actual interview. Awful. Stuff like whats your favorite colour. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAfTi...eature=related ; http://www.tapology.com/forum/open/1..._Carlos_Flores

gotta give him credit...a guy 33 yo-yoing up and down between 250 and 205?......that`s rough...

**ghost kid** · 10-20-11, 07:54 PM

(205 pounds) Carlos Flores defeats Jason Walraven by Submission (Kimura) 0:50 in the 2nd round.

The internet is a useful tool.

**rocky mattioli** · 10-21-11, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by ghost kid

(205 pounds) Carlos Flores defeats Jason Walraven by Submission (Kimura) 0:50 in the 2nd round.

The internet is a useful tool.

see post #14....

/from the dept of redundancy dept

**ghost kid** · 10-21-11, 12:32 PM

It's a completely different photo. Thought it might help - next time I won't bother.

I took Villa at -260 and feel pretty good about that position. Not as enticing at the current #s, but hard to go against this little monster. Galvao is going to have to catch an arm quickly (if he can even get it down there). Otherwise, sleepy time.

M'pumbu didn't impress me against Chris Davis, but he got better as the tourney went on. And he seems to carry his power late in bouts - bad news for Wiuff.

Definitely wouldn't bet the Hale-Flores bout, but best of luck to those who roll the dice there.

**FightFightFight** · 10-21-11, 01:16 PM

Please bother, and dont mind the donks. Think I'll take Hale. Not seeing anything from Flores except seems to be a strong guy, which gives him a path to victory, but he's really just a poor mans Linderman imo. Although, he has been training at team punishment for a whole two months! And knocked out a guy who was 0-6 in under two minutes in his first Bellator fight! I personally think he's here to ensure Hale a spot in this tourney. Not that bellator would ever give their names favourable matchups on purpose.
Also on Mpumbu. (Not that bellator would ever give their names favourable matchups on purpose.)

**NunyaBidness** · 10-21-11, 01:39 PM

I'm really surprised everyone is on Mpumbu. Did everyone forget he's not very good? He's got a puncher's chance in this fight, granted a punchers chance is huge when you're a really strong puncher and your opponent is really chinny like Wiuff. Seems like a pickem to me.

**Vaughany** · 10-21-11, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I'm really surprised everyone is on Mpumbu. Did everyone forget he's not very good? He's got a puncher's chance in this fight, granted a punchers chance is huge when you're a really strong puncher and your opponent is really chinny like Wiuff. Seems like a pickem to me.

True, but he also has a big speed and cardio advantage. If Wiuff doesnt finish him in first round I think he'll struggle, his last two fights have been against HW bums (against White he was at a flabby 260lbs so he's going to be cutting weight for the first time in a while. A small LHW in Nedkov who has rudimentary striking (but with power) was able to finish him late in their fight, so I don't see why M'Pumbu can't do the same. Hamann also had a distinct size and wresting disadvantage but still KO'd him. Hell even Tim Hague who has horrible striking KO'd Wiuff early - if M'Pumbu keeps it standing and can't KO him then he should be embarrassed! M'Pumbu isn't a complete novice on the ground either.
Check out his last fight, it's painful to watch as I think it was some dude pulled out of the crowd! Even looked like the guy was trying to tough gloves after the stand-up and Wiuff just ignored and clocked him! Dude gave up after taking two punches...

**Vaughany** · 10-21-11, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by FightFightFight

Please bother, and dont mind the donks. Think I'll take Hale. Not seeing anything from Flores except seems to be a strong guy, which gives him a path to victory, but he's really just a poor mans Linderman imo. Although, he has been training at team punishment for a whole two months! And knocked out a guy who was 0-6 in under two minutes in his first Bellator fight! I personally think he's here to ensure Hale a spot in this tourney. Not that bellator would ever give their names favourable matchups on purpose.
Also on Mpumbu. (Not that bellator would ever give their names favourable matchups on purpose.)

Is Richard Hale really a "name"?

**Vaughany** · 10-21-11, 02:17 PM

Struve with hair at 1min 35!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hV7TvQutuTE

**FightFightFight** · 10-21-11, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I'm really surprised everyone is on Mpumbu. Did everyone forget he's not very good? He's got a puncher's chance in this fight, granted a punchers chance is huge when you're a really strong puncher and your opponent is really chinny like Wiuff. Seems like a pickem to me.

Does Anderson Silva ever have more than a punchers chance, or Chris Leben? Mpumbu is really good on the feet, and on the ground.

Originally posted by Vaughany

Is Richard Hale really a "name"?

In Bellator, yes, hes the #2 LHW unfortunately.

**proposition joe** · 10-21-11, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

True, but he also has a big speed and cardio advantage. If Wiuff doesnt finish him in first round I think he'll struggle, his last two fights have been against HW bums (against White he was at a flabby 260lbs so he's going to be cutting weight for the first time in a while. A small LHW in Nedkov who has rudimentary striking (but with power) was able to finish him late in their fight, so I don't see why M'Pumbu can't do the same. Hamann also had a distinct size and wresting disadvantage but still KO'd him. Hell even Tim Hague who has horrible striking KO'd Wiuff early - if M'Pumbu keeps it standing and can't KO him then he should be embarrassed! M'Pumbu isn't a complete novice on the ground either.
Check out his last fight, it's painful to watch as I think it was some dude pulled out of the crowd! Even looked like the guy was trying to tough gloves after the stand-up and Wiuff just ignored and clocked him! Dude gave up after taking two punches...

Wow. That guy he's fighting against literally has the worst striking that I've EVER seen in a sanctioned fight. Were you serious about it being some guy from the crowd? Because even then, I'm in disbelief at his lack of fundamental striking defense.

And Wiuff looked pretty bad there too. He had side control on a complete starfish and got stood up.

**Vaughany** · 10-21-11, 02:43 PM

Ha Wasn't being serious but I'm sure there were probably a couple guys in the crowd who'd have just as good a chance as him against Wiuff!

**NunyaBidness** · 10-21-11, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by FightFightFight

Does Anderson Silva ever have more than a punchers chance, or Chris Leben? Mpumbu is really good on the feet, and on the ground. In Bellator, yes, hes the #2 LHW unfortunately.

Yes, and yes.

**proposition joe** · 10-21-11, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by FightFightFight

Does Anderson Silva ever have more than a punchers chance, or Chris Leben?

**proposition joe** · 10-21-11, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Ha Wasn't being serious but I'm sure there were probably a couple guys in the crowd who'd have just as good a chance as him against Wiuff!

I LOL'd at him dropping his hands on a feint low kick @ 38 sec. and 49 sec. ...

**Vaughany** · 10-21-11, 02:50 PM

His "superman" punch attempt at 40secs in is classic as well! Reminded me of Schaub's against Nog!

**proposition joe** · 10-21-11, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

His "superman" punch attempt at 40secs in is classic as well! Reminded me of Schaub's against Nog!

Hahaha. The guy was out there throwing facefirst punches with 3 second deliveries and still lasted half a round.

**FightFightFight** · 10-21-11, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Yes, and yes.

As does Mpumbu.

**ghost kid** · 10-21-11, 07:50 PM

Bellator now listing it as a catchweight bout.

Hale and Flores both weighed in at 210. Not playing it, just passing on the info. Hopefully helps somebody else.

**FightFightFight** · 10-21-11, 08:15 PM

An odd thing. Maybe Flores had trouble, and knew ahead of time, so changed the bout weight. I'll try to find out.