Donald Cerrone vs. Charles Oliveira

**Vaughany** · 07-07-11, 07:13 AM

Awesome fight, anybody know if Bookmaker offered FOTN etc in the end for the last Versus (Kongo vs Barry one)?

**v1y** · 07-07-11, 07:57 AM

I can't tell whether I hate this matchup, or love this matchup.

I feel like Joe Silva should be building up these two guys by feeding mediocre wrestlers to them, and then give them a big fight (potentially against each other) once they're both considered major contenders in the division.

On the other hand, they're clearly two of the most exciting lightweight prospects, and the fight is almost sure to be a back and forth war.

**thesox0311** · 07-07-11, 08:33 AM

Vaughany- Not sure about Bookmaker, but i know Bet Diamond did.

**Vaughany** · 07-07-11, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by thesox0311

Vaughany- Not sure about Bookmaker, but i know Bet Diamond did.

Cool, think they're same company. Probly good job I missed those for last Versus as I was gonna bet on Howard/Brown FOTN. Guess Hardy/Lytle is gonna be +250 to +350 and Oliveira/Cerrone similar for this one.

**Fiasco01** · 07-07-11, 10:12 AM

I feel like this is going to be a sorely underrated fight. Hopefully Cerrone doesn't come out flat because that could be bad against Aloe Vera who's likely coming in with a speed advantage.

**FlashinLeather** · 07-07-11, 10:16 AM

Oliveria gonna get hurt

**Vaughany** · 07-07-11, 10:27 AM

Wouldnt rule out Oliveira submitting Cerrone during a scramble on the ground, Cerrone can be quite reckless at times

**Ladle** · 07-07-11, 10:48 AM

Most exciting match-up in a while in my opinion.

Wouldnt rule out Oliveira submitting Cerrone during a scramble on the ground, Cerrone can be quite reckless at times

Yeah, wouldn't be particularly surprised to see that. Also, while Cerrone is an excellent kicker, his boxing is poor. I'm thinking Oliveira might be able to exploit that.

**Chong Wizard** · 07-07-11, 11:53 AM

I usually bet on fighters that train with Greg Jackson. I'd like to know what kind of record fighters have with Greg Jackson in their corner. It's gotta be a real high percentage. Jacksons game planning always seems to give his fighters an edge.

**sirchadwick1** · 07-07-11, 12:46 PM

Hard to bet against either guy here unless the line is a gift... think I'll most likely stay away.

**The HOFF** · 07-07-11, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Fiasco01

I feel like this is going to be a sorely underrated fight. Hopefully Cerrone doesn't come out flat because that could be bad against Aloe Vera who's likely coming in with a speed advantage.

I think I like that better than Paul Harris.

**illmatick** · 07-07-11, 01:57 PM

cowboy's line should be a bit inflated just off of his name.

Charles at +140 is what I'm pleading for.

**Hannibal** · 07-07-11, 01:58 PM

Love this fight!
Who gets the edge here? I favour oliveira.
Young phenom...good enough striking to hang with anyone. And still getting better there.
His jiu jitsu has shown signs of aoki-ness

**PunisherIND** · 07-07-11, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

I think I like that better than Paul Harris.

lol took me a second to get it, but aloe vera is pretty awesome.

i think paul harris should be known by his nickname Token Hoe (Toquinho)

**Squareguy** · 07-07-11, 05:52 PM

Cerrone was not very aggressive in his last fight and I don't think we will ever see a timid Oliveira. I'm thinking it's very possible that we get a good line on "Do Bronx".

**jacktheknife** · 07-07-11, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal

Love this fight!
Who gets the edge here? I favour oliveira.
Young phenom...good enough striking to hang with anyone. And still getting better there.
His jiu jitsu has shown signs of aoki-ness

I don't imagine Aoki would get swept from full mount by Nick Lentz, or sit still while he eats a kneebar. Not that I'm complaining, I won big on both fights.

**rocky mattioli** · 07-07-11, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by v1y

I can't tell whether I hate this matchup, or love this matchup.

I feel like Joe Silva should be building up these two guys by feeding mediocre wrestlers to them, and then give them a big fight (potentially against each other) once they're both considered major contenders in the division.

On the other hand, they're clearly two of the most exciting lightweight prospects, and the fight is almost sure to be a back and forth war.

well,they were trying to give cerrone another relatively soft touch.....but,thankfully,he`ll be in with a legit threat here....

i really don`t see any reason to baby cerrone...he`s well known as a dangerous,well established fighter/contender from his wec days....lets see what he does with the ufc big dogs.....

savvy fans know they`re getting a quality match-up here...cerrone vs taylor?...meh...

**The Bet Master** · 07-08-11, 12:01 AM

I like Cerrone in this one

**GunShard** · 07-08-11, 12:05 AM

I believe that Cerrone will defeat Oliveira.

**jin2daj** · 07-08-11, 07:35 AM

i like oliveira here. i htink ALL wec fighters are severely overrrated.

**v1y** · 07-08-11, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

i like oliveira here. i htink ALL wec fighters are severely overrrated.

1: i hope you mean the lightweights, and aren't including the featherweights and bantamweights in that blanket statement.

2: Even if you mean the lightweights, this is still nonsense.

miller had a tough time with bocek, who henderson beat soundly.
barboza was dead even with njokuani.
roller/castillo/lamas all made successful debuts
cerrone is now 2-0

yes pettis and shalorus fell, but pettis had a very tough stylistic matchup, and shalorus had the toughest ufc debut opponent of anyone in the wec.

**Vaughany** · 07-08-11, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by v1y

1: i hope you mean the lightweights, and aren't including the featherweights and bantamweights in that blanket statement.

2: Even if you mean the lightweights, this is still nonsense.

miller had a tough time with bocek, who henderson beat soundly.
barboza was dead even with njokuani.
roller/castillo/lamas all made successful debuts
cerrone is now 2-0

yet pettis and shalorus fell, but pettis had a very tough stylistic matchup, and shalorus had the toughest ufc debut opponent of anyone in the wec.

Yeah no way they are overrated. Bocek was ripping on them when the merger happened sayin they were no way near UFC level...then Hendo went and beat him comfortably! Obviously they might not be better than the higher-echeleon UFC fighters but in comparison to mid level guys like Bocek and lower level like Paul Kelly, Winner, & Joe Daddy they've shown they can hang.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 07-08-11, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

i like oliveira here. i htink ALL wec fighters are severely overrrated.

edit: though in this particular fight, I, like Illmatick, am hoping for a soft line on Oliveira...

**capone1899** · 07-08-11, 10:58 AM

I also like Cerrone to take this fight ,just hoping he comes in as the dog

**Wrecked** · 07-08-11, 11:01 AM

Cerrone gets this one easily.
I also hope he comes in as a dog, and I'll be all over that shit.

**ufcmma36** · 07-08-11, 07:12 PM

Im just hoping for a great fight! But Cerrone and those leg kicks may get a lil boring...lol

**jesuseatsnubs** · 07-08-11, 07:21 PM

again this is another do not bet fight .. as if it's a close match .. the judges could easily rig it .. same with they did with Matt Wiman and Dennis siver .. we all know wiman should of gotten 10-8 AT LEAST for round 2 .. I mean what more could he have done .. my god what does it take to get a 10-8 round ..

yet round 1 and 3 which were VERYYY CLOSE Dennis got 10-9 ..

yeah that was messed up and cost me from making $8000 in my parlays ..

but if u still wanna bet on this fight I'd go with Charles Oliveria .. he has a very good stand up .. outstanding ground game and submissions ..

I'd go with Charles 60/40

**jesuseatsnubs** · 07-08-11, 07:22 PM

oh and any of u who think this sport is not rigged .. just look at Lyoto Machida vs Shogun Rua .. it's beyond rigged

**Vaughany** · 07-09-11, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by jesuseatsnubs

again this is another do not bet fight ..

I'd go with Charles 60/40

Again

**v1y** · 07-09-11, 07:55 AM

You'd have to be a moron to bet on something you thought was rigged...

And I mean, clearly it is rigged. Look at chuck liddell vs keith jardine. The UFC bribed the judges to have their biggest star lose. Unless... they just did that to make us THINK it wasn't rigged!!

**Vaughany** · 07-09-11, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by v1y

You'd have to be a moron to bet on something you thought was rigged...

And I mean, clearly it is rigged. Look at chuck liddell vs keith jardine. The UFC bribed the judges to have their biggest star lose. Unless... they just did that to make us THINK it wasn't rigged!!

He thought Cerrone/Vagner Rocha was rigged because Cerrone's line at one stage went from -375 to -350 on Pinnacle.

**bjpenn85** · 07-09-11, 10:50 AM

really?

**GunShard** · 07-09-11, 08:45 PM

This fight looks like it will end by submission.
Unless the surprising KO appears out of nowhere.

**jspectyper** · 07-09-11, 08:47 PM

Lookin forward to this, think cerrone edges this out.