The reem hype is over...

urge2kill · 06-19-11, 09:54 AM

DSI still has odds up.

Reem +140
Barnett +170
Silva +325
Kharitonov +400
Field +2000

NickDiaz209 · 06-19-11, 09:58 AM

wow ridiculous...barnett hedged with sila looks very juicy. Theres no way Overeem should be the favorite, and hes my favorite fighter after my name

NickDiaz209 · 06-19-11, 09:59 AM

wow ridiculous...barnett hedged with silva looks very juicy. Theres no way Overeem should be the favorite, and hes my favorite fighter after my name

Dave--M · 06-19-11, 10:11 AM

barnett really impressed me

he was at +900 on a few books before that fight

i think he will have terrible odds when they re release the lines

thesox0311 · 06-19-11, 10:48 AM

Barnett beat Rogers who is a complete joke....shitty or not Overeem beat a top 5 guy. Not sure why anyone would pick Barnett to win the GP. Its hard to fight someone who just lays on the ground like a bitch.

I just dont see how beating a guy outside the top 20 is better than beating a guy inside the top 5 no matter how he does it

NickDiaz209 · 06-19-11, 11:03 AM

honestly I had it 29-28 werdum

Johan_Haas_ · 06-19-11, 11:05 AM

Ofcourse he was somewhat hyped up. But don't forgot that everyone can have an off day, it was his first top 10 fight, and he might have been nervous which caused him to gas earlier.

Also it's really hard to look good for Overeem when your opponent is pulling guard all the time. He actually let Werdum come at him so he could counterstrike. The moment Overeem goes on the offensive Werdum goes into the guard. Just like the Maia Silva fight.

NickDiaz209 · 06-19-11, 11:05 AM

because both overeems striking and cardio looked pathetic last night as werdum outstruck him and because barnett has very good striking, takedowns, cardio, wrestling and submissions. plus barnett gets to fight one dimensional kharitonov while overeem has to fight silva in the next round. if u cant see the value in barnett, who is the most complete and balanced fighter in the tourney, I feel sorry for you

Vaughany · 06-19-11, 11:23 AM

I got Barnett to win at +800 ages ago

omalley21 · 06-19-11, 11:39 AM

Bigfoot or Barnett.

Jordan23 · 06-19-11, 11:58 AM

I like Overeem hedged with Barnett to be honest. I think Big Foot is a bad match up for Overeem and Overeem should make the finals to be honest.

Straight Cash · 06-19-11, 12:01 PM

Barnett hasnt won this thing quite yet...dont underestimate Kharitonov

bjpenn85 · 06-19-11, 12:34 PM

Youre kidding right? exaggerating a bit ? If you really mean it, then you should by no means be ever aloud to participate in conversations about bad judging!

NickDiaz209 · 06-19-11, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

Youre kidding right? exaggerating a bit ? If you really mean it, then you should by no means be ever aloud to participate in conversations about bad judging!

I'm dead serious. He was more aggressive than Overeem, chased him around the ring, landed more shots, and repeatedly frustrated Overeem over and over again. If it wasn't for the flopping, I think everyone would agree that Overeem won the fight.

Remember, Werdum WAS NOT HURT in this fight. He flopped to his back trying to trick Overeem into coming into his world on the ground, which is exactly how he fooled Fedor. Alistair did nothing, absolutely nothing from the top position and didn't land enough significant shots to win rounds 1 or 3.

Who kicked who's ass more? Overeem.

Who won rounds 1 and 3? Werdum.

capone1899 · 06-19-11, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by NickDiaz209

honestly I had it 29-28 werdum

Sorry no , you don't win a fight flopping on your back over and over again . If Werdum wanted to win the fight he should have just stood with Overeem once he realized the fight wasn't going to the ground

NickDiaz209 · 06-19-11, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by capone1899

Sorry no , you don't win a fight flopping on your back over and over again . If Werdum wanted to win the fight he should have just stood with Overeem once he realized the fight wasn't going to the ground

Why? His strength is on the ground...you're implying that he should've played into Overeem's strength because Overeem won't play into his strength? Why shouldn't Overeem just go to the ground once he realized Werdum wouldn't stand with him?

FindTheLock · 06-19-11, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by NickDiaz209

Why? His strength is on the ground...you're implying that he should've played into Overeem's strength because Overeem won't play into his strength? Why shouldn't Overeem just go to the ground once he realized Werdum wouldn't stand with him?

because every fight starts standing and it is the ground savvy fighter who is obligated to take his opponent to the ground to utilize his strengths over a striker. You won't ever win a fight falling on your back and waiting for something to happen. He should lose money for what he did last night.

FindTheLock · 06-19-11, 02:51 PM

imagine a fight where both fighters just fell on their back. how do you judge that? whoever hits the ground first and gets up the fastest wins?

bjpenn85 · 06-19-11, 06:09 PM

Minus flopping i can at least appreciate your point. I still think its a bit hm..generous. But i would have to look at the fight again. However, if pride rules were applied, this would have resulted in a yellow card, and ultimately a KO in Overeems favor. I think we all can agree on that. If you cant take the fight to the ground, you should not be sitting on the floor, waiting for the ref to get you up. Do you wanne be a fighter? Then fight!

NickDiaz209 · 06-19-11, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

Minus flopping i can at least appreciate your point. I still think its a bit hm..generous. But i would have to look at the fight again. However, if pride rules were applied, this would have resulted in a yellow card, and ultimately a KO in Overeems favor. I think we all can agree on that. If you cant take the fight to the ground, you should not be sitting on the floor, waiting for the ref to get you up. Do you wanne be a fighter? Then fight!

I agree with most of what you're saying...Werdum should be able to take him down if he wants to grapple...but if you were to score the fight round by round, Werdum took 2 out of 3 in my opinion.

Rampage kicked Forrest's ass, but Forrest took 3 out of 5 in the judge's eyes

NunyaBidness · 06-20-11, 01:19 AM

A bit of a thread derail, but wasn't the KO in the Aoki vs Nagashima matchup the most satisfying KO of all time? And I'm a HUGE Aoki fan.

bjpenn85 · 06-20-11, 04:24 AM

I got Bigfoot +2500. How u like me now

bjpenn85 · 06-20-11, 04:26 AM

Absolutely

Straight Cash · 06-20-11, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

I got Bigfoot +2500. How u like me now

That was a solid get, wouldnt have thought he'd beat Fedor.

NickDiaz209 · 06-20-11, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by bjpenn85

I got Bigfoot +2500. How u like me now

Nice bet!!! I'd definitely hedge the shit out of it though even though I think he can beat Ubereem.

bjpenn85 · 06-20-11, 11:41 AM

I thought if brett rogers can (almost), then everybody can. I also won money for the record, on silva AND werdum over fedor. You can all clap your hands now if you want.

I think he might upset overeem as well. As long as silva takes it to the ground. I think my play will be, silva outright hedged with overeem round 1. Silva is very hittable as he has one of the worlds largest chin. Quite inconvenient to have in such a sport.

Varker · 06-20-11, 05:11 PM

I think overeem will have a lot of problems with bigfoot, that guy is tough everywhere.

FlashinLeather · 06-20-11, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Varker

I think overeem will have a lot of problems with bigfoot, that guy is tough everywhere.

To me this fight really depends on reem's TDD, there is no one in MMA that wants those donkey kong hands coming down on them from the top. If he can defend the take down and can keep it standing he should be able to win the fight.

Vrakas · 06-20-11, 05:38 PM

i say bigfoot will lose .reem vs barnett for all the glory.

freelee · 06-22-11, 12:22 AM

I think Overeem still takes this tourney

RaiderNation MMA · 06-22-11, 01:10 AM

"Who won rounds 1 and 3? Werdum."

were we watching the same fight? overeem stuffed him every 5 seconds

NickDiaz209 · 06-22-11, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by RaiderNation MMA

"Who won rounds 1 and 3? Werdum."

were we watching the same fight? overeem stuffed him every 5 seconds

stuffing a takedown means getting punched in the face and having a bloody nose and landing nothing? then gassing? then laying on werdum to catch his breath? ok buddy

RaiderNation MMA · 06-23-11, 02:27 AM

he layed on werdum and did nothing. werdum got layed on did nothing. it goes both ways

koscheckbaby · 06-23-11, 09:35 AM

I like Bigfoot Silva for the tourney honestly and thought of him as a darkhorse pre-Fedor. He's just so big and he's actually in good condition with his size. His skillset utilizes his size perfectly too, as he has good takedowns, BJJ, and top control. His boxing has really come around too. Of course with that gigantism head, he has a great chin(People will reference the Kyle fight, but I don't think too many people survive Kyle's onslaught like Silva did).

Remember, Overeem was a known quitter before. He tapped to strikes to Ricardo Arona. I think Bigfoot can use his size with better takedowns than Werdum and get Overeem to quit on himself. Valentijn and Alistair are very talented, but they quit easily.

Bigfoot can decision Barnett similar to how Big Nog did in their PRIDE rematch. BJJ trumps catch wrestling IMO when they are high level practioners. Bigfoot just needs to use his size, get top control, and not get overaggressive and lose position.